Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


controller by asking for a ground speed check from 81,000 feet,
clearly above controlled airspace. In a cool, professional voice, the
controller replied, 'Aspen 20, I show you at 1,742 knots on the
ground.' We did not hear another transmission on that frequency all
the way to the coast."


1,742 knots?

That was probably in second gear!

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:31:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

controller by asking for a ground speed check from 81,000 feet,
clearly above controlled airspace. In a cool, professional voice, the
controller replied, 'Aspen 20, I show you at 1,742 knots on the
ground.' We did not hear another transmission on that frequency all
the way to the coast."

1,742 knots?

That was probably in second gear!

I wish I could find the title of that book about spy planes so I could
give you the exact quote, but it mentioned in the SR-71 discussion
that the engineers actually never knew just how fast that design could
go - there didn't seem to be an upper limit on the design itself - the
only limiting factor were the engines.

There has been some speculation that the oft rumored "Aurora" is
really a revamped, updated SR-71 design with a hybrid jet/scram jet
engine capable of extra-atmosphere flight.

Man, that has got to be a ride and a half.

--

"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken


Mencken was wrong. That's not an idealist. It's a Democrat.

Eisboch

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:47:07 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


There has been some speculation that the oft rumored "Aurora" is really
a revamped, updated SR-71 design with a hybrid jet/scram jet engine
capable of extra-atmosphere flight.

It's also been rumored that the Aurora was canceled in the '90s, due to
the expense.


Man, that has got to be a ride and a half.

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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:47:07 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


There has been some speculation that the oft rumored "Aurora" is really
a revamped, updated SR-71 design with a hybrid jet/scram jet engine
capable of extra-atmosphere flight.

It's also been rumored that the Aurora was canceled in the '90s, due to
the expense.


Man, that has got to be a ride and a half.



What, a contract actually cancelled because of expense? Is that allowed?

What galls me as a taxpayer is that the government is willing, no,
eager, to spends hundreds of billions of dollars and unlimited amounts
of manpower on military hardware, but is unwilling to pursue diplomacy
until there is absolutely no hope of diplomacy working.

"Jaw, jar is better than war, war," a quote attributed to Churchill, has
more meaning today than ever.

"HK" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:47:07 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


There has been some speculation that the oft rumored "Aurora" is really
a revamped, updated SR-71 design with a hybrid jet/scram jet engine
capable of extra-atmosphere flight.

It's also been rumored that the Aurora was canceled in the '90s, due to
the expense.


Man, that has got to be a ride and a half.



What, a contract actually cancelled because of expense? Is that allowed?

What galls me as a taxpayer is that the government is willing, no, eager,
to spends hundreds of billions of dollars and unlimited amounts of
manpower on military hardware, but is unwilling to pursue diplomacy until
there is absolutely no hope of diplomacy working.

"Jaw, jar is better than war, war," a quote attributed to Churchill, has
more meaning today than ever.



The jawing stops abruptly when they chop your head off.

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"HK" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:47:07 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


There has been some speculation that the oft rumored "Aurora" is really
a revamped, updated SR-71 design with a hybrid jet/scram jet engine
capable of extra-atmosphere flight.

It's also been rumored that the Aurora was canceled in the '90s, due
to the expense.


Man, that has got to be a ride and a half.



What, a contract actually cancelled because of expense? Is that allowed?

What galls me as a taxpayer is that the government is willing, no,
eager, to spends hundreds of billions of dollars and unlimited amounts
of manpower on military hardware, but is unwilling to pursue diplomacy
until there is absolutely no hope of diplomacy working.

"Jaw, jar is better than war, war," a quote attributed to Churchill,
has more meaning today than ever.



The jawing stops abruptly when they chop your head off.


Oh...the "we've stopped them there so they aren't coming here" stuff.
I get it.

:)

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:05:19 -0000, wrote:

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:47:07 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


There has been some speculation that the oft rumored "Aurora" is really
a revamped, updated SR-71 design with a hybrid jet/scram jet engine
capable of extra-atmosphere flight.

It's also been rumored that the Aurora was canceled in the '90s, due to
the expense.

That's what they want you to think. :)

There is some interesting speculation about "Aurora" in that it may
not be the classic high speed fighter style airplane, but a hybrid
zepplin with some very ineresting capabilities.

I have a hard time believing that they would dump the whole spy plane
concept due to cost. Satellites are nice, but even the most clued in
speculators admit that spy satellites are limited in time and space.
Real time data is paramount in times of crisis and that means spy
planes.

--

"Far better it is to dare mighty things,
to win glorious triumphs even though
checkered by failure, than to rank with
those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor
suffer much because they live in the gray
twilight that knows neither victory nor
defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:56:28 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .


"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken

Mencken was wrong. That's not an idealist. It's a Democrat.

And your point is? :)

"HK" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:47:07 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


There has been some speculation that the oft rumored "Aurora" is
really
a revamped, updated SR-71 design with a hybrid jet/scram jet engine
capable of extra-atmosphere flight.

It's also been rumored that the Aurora was canceled in the '90s, due to
the expense.


Man, that has got to be a ride and a half.



What, a contract actually cancelled because of expense? Is that allowed?

What galls me as a taxpayer is that the government is willing, no,
eager, to spends hundreds of billions of dollars and unlimited amounts
of manpower on military hardware, but is unwilling to pursue diplomacy
until there is absolutely no hope of diplomacy working.

"Jaw, jar is better than war, war," a quote attributed to Churchill, has
more meaning today than ever.



The jawing stops abruptly when they chop your head off.


Oh...the "we've stopped them there so they aren't coming here" stuff.
I get it.

:)

Not at all. Just illustrating the type of people you are attempting to
negotiate with. Not to worry. Our new Democratic president will analyze and
solve this crisis immediately.