On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:07:15 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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And you can see one of those up close at the new Air and Space Museum!
--
John



There is also one on display at the main entrance to the San Diego Air and
Space museum. That one was the first one I ever saw, other than pictures.

http://www.sandiegoairandspace.org/collections/

Eisboch


Cool. I've been to San Diego many times (30 years ago), but didn't even
know about that museum.
--
John

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:07:15 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .


And you can see one of those up close at the new Air and Space Museum!
--
John



There is also one on display at the main entrance to the San Diego Air and
Space museum. That one was the first one I ever saw, other than pictures.

http://www.sandiegoairandspace.org/collections/

There's also one at the Air Force Armament Museum at Eglin Air Force
Base in Florida. I was there a couple of years ago. Interesting
place.

http://www.afarmamentmuseum.com/outside.shtml

Steve

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:01:12 GMT, Steve wrote:

On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:20:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:

And you can see one of those up close at the new Air and Space Museum!

I was just there. Here's a few pics of the SR-71 they have the

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sss_udv...81139456/show/

It's a tough place to photograph since it's kind of dark in a lot of
areas. If you're interested in seeing more pics from there, here they
a

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sss_udvar_hazy/show/

These pictures capture only a small percentage of what's there. It's
well worth the trip for any aviation buff.

If you are ever in New England, a must see if you are into aircraft is
the New England Air Museum in East Granby, CT at Bradley
International.

http://www.neam.org/exhibits/collections.asp

Some really interesting aircraft and engines there - mostly restored
and operational WWII aircraft.

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:13:55 GMT, Steve wrote:

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:07:15 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
. ..


And you can see one of those up close at the new Air and Space Museum!
--
John



There is also one on display at the main entrance to the San Diego Air and
Space museum. That one was the first one I ever saw, other than pictures.

http://www.sandiegoairandspace.org/collections/

There's also one at the Air Force Armament Museum at Eglin Air Force
Base in Florida. I was there a couple of years ago. Interesting
place.

http://www.afarmamentmuseum.com/outside.shtml

Does Wright-Patterson still have thier museum?

I was there a long time ago - it looked pretty seedy then.

On Mar 9, 8:07*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

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And you can see one of those up close at the new Air and Space Museum!
--
John

There is also one on display at the main entrance to the San Diego Air and
Space museum. *That one was the first one I ever saw, other than pictures.

http://www.sandiegoairandspace.org/collections/

Eisboch

I was watching a doc. on some Marvel Channel, abotu the blackbird, and
it was fascenating to hear that pilots were asked why they didnt' ahve
any armaments. "Well, when you're flying higher and faster than a
missle can reach you, then what would be the point? Besides, we're
flying faster than a 30.06 calibre bullet, so a gun would be usless."

*gulp*

On Mar 9, 10:16*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:01:12 GMT, Steve wrote:
On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:20:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:

And you can see one of those up close at the new Air and Space Museum!

I was just there. *Here's a few pics of the SR-71 they have the

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sss_udv...81139456/show/

It's a tough place to photograph since it's kind of dark in a lot of
areas. *If you're interested in seeing more pics from there, here they
a

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sss_udvar_hazy/show/

These pictures capture only a small percentage of what's there. *It's
well worth the trip for any aviation buff.

If you are ever in New England, a must see if you are into aircraft is
the New England Air Museum in East Granby, CT at Bradley
International.

http://www.neam.org/exhibits/collections.asp

Some really interesting aircraft and engines there - mostly restored
and operational WWII aircraft.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wow, that sparks some weird memories. I was fresh out of high school
and I took a night job there as a guard at the ANG base. We were
trouble makers to say the least, lucky we are not all in jail I used
to let my buds in at night and we would sit up on top of the Quanset
building they had there and get plastered and watch the planes come
and go. Then when we were sufficiently, er, um, crocked, we would go
down and take out the plane haulers carts, forget what they called
them, and race around the parking lots and north side of the airport
I am pretty sure the mechanics knew, but they never said anything,
guess it was hard to find someone to do the job. There was this high
brass, don't remember his rank, that was stationed at Westover and
stayed down at the chopper base sometimes. I had to wake him at 5 am.
There was a special broom next to the door and I was warned by him and
a couple other guys, in fact I would say more trained to come quietly
into the room and sweep his feet with the broom, as soon as he sat up
or stirred I was to back out of the room quickly. I trusted these guys
and even though I figured they could be fooling, I did it the way they
told me to. Damn if the guy did not wake up swinging, just like they
said, every time. All they told me was "he was in Nam". I never asked
beyond that, thanks to all you vets...that's all I gotta' say.

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:17:31 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:13:55 GMT, Steve wrote:

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:07:15 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
...


And you can see one of those up close at the new Air and Space Museum!
--
John



There is also one on display at the main entrance to the San Diego Air and
Space museum. That one was the first one I ever saw, other than pictures.

http://www.sandiegoairandspace.org/collections/

There's also one at the Air Force Armament Museum at Eglin Air Force
Base in Florida. I was there a couple of years ago. Interesting
place.

http://www.afarmamentmuseum.com/outside.shtml

Does Wright-Patterson still have thier museum?

I was there a long time ago - it looked pretty seedy then.

I think Wright-Pat still has a huge museum. I've been to the base but
not to the museum. I'll have to make a trip out there sometime. I
like the one at Eglin though, because you can get right up to the
planes. Other places have them roped off somehow.

Steve

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:16:37 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:01:12 GMT, Steve wrote:

On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:20:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:

And you can see one of those up close at the new Air and Space Museum!

I was just there. Here's a few pics of the SR-71 they have the

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sss_udv...81139456/show/

It's a tough place to photograph since it's kind of dark in a lot of
areas. If you're interested in seeing more pics from there, here they
a

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sss_udvar_hazy/show/

These pictures capture only a small percentage of what's there. It's
well worth the trip for any aviation buff.

If you are ever in New England, a must see if you are into aircraft is
the New England Air Museum in East Granby, CT at Bradley
International.

http://www.neam.org/exhibits/collections.asp

Some really interesting aircraft and engines there - mostly restored
and operational WWII aircraft.

The cool thing about Udvar-Hazy is that they have a lot of special
historic planes, not just your average WWII fighter. They have *the*
Enola Gay, *the* Gossamer Albatros (if you're into human powered
flight), *the* Virgin Atlantic Global Flyer (flew non-stop,
non-refueled around the world) . They have X-planes like the XV-15,
which was the tilt-rotor research plane that led to the V-22 Osprey.
Rare old planes from early days of flight like the Langley Aerodrome,
a Wright Model B, WWI planes, etc. Along with the numerous "average"
WWII planes, they have rarer ones like the German flying wing and WWII
jets, Japanese WWII planes, etc. Special, one-off racing planes. Even
Balloon gondolas that made history, like the first to cross the
Atlantic.

Then you go into the space part and see the Enterprise, Mercury and
Gemini capsules, Redstone rocket, etc. etc.

You would expect all that kind of rare stuff since it's the
Smithsonian afterall.

Steve

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:53:28 GMT, Steve wrote:

You would expect all that kind of rare stuff since it's the
Smithsonian afterall.

I was there in the early 90's. Amazing place.

The whole Smithsonian complex is something else - you could spend a
month in the place and never see it all.

It's amazing to look at one of those things. a dart with wings and two
giant engines. it defines "speed"!

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
"One day, high above Arizona, we were monitoring the radio traffic of
all the mortal airplanes below us. First, a Cessna pilot asked the air
traffic controllers to check his ground speed. 'Ninety knots,' ATC
replied. A twin Bonanza soon made the same request. 'One-twenty on the
ground,' was the reply. To our surprise, a navy F-18 came over the
radio with a ground speed check. I knew exactly what he was doing. Of
course, he had a ground speed indicator in his cockpit, but he wanted
to let all the bug-smashers in the valley know what real speed was
'Dusty 52, we show you at 525 on the ground,' ATC responded. The
situation was too ripe. I heard the click of Walter's mike button in
the rear seat. In his most innocent voice, Walter startled the
controller by asking for a ground speed check from 81,000 feet,
clearly above controlled airspace. In a cool, professional voice, the
controller replied, 'Aspen 20, I show you at 1,742 knots on the
ground.' We did not hear another transmission on that frequency all
the way to the coast."

http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com...-that-jet.html