On Feb 28, 1:57*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. *But hope springs eternal!

And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. *It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: *Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. *I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. *At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. *When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?

Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

On Feb 28, 1:57*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. *But hope springs eternal!

And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. *It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: *Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. *I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. *At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. *When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?

Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.

My blow up doll does both.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Feb 28, 3:11*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc





wrote:
On Feb 28, 1:57*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. *But hope springs eternal!

And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. *It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: *Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. *I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. *At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. *When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?

Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.

My blow up doll does both.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But it will never pass for human because you don't have to buy it an
expensive meal or ply it with alcohol to get to give it up.

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:22:01 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

On Feb 28, 3:11*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc





wrote:
On Feb 28, 1:57*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. *But hope springs eternal!

And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. *It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: *Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. *I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. *At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. *When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?

Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.

My blow up doll does both.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But it will never pass for human because you don't have to buy it an
expensive meal or ply it with alcohol to get to give it up.

ROTFL!!!

If you ever get a chance, read David Levy's "Love and Sex With Robots:
The Evolution of Human-Robot Relationships".

Once you get past the whole robot sexmachina ideas, it is a
fascinating look inside what makes an AI tick.

I'll give you fair warning - it's his PhD dissertation cleaned up a
little for commercial purposes so it can be a tad dense in areas.

jamesgangnc wrote:
nd creative thought. When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?
Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.
My blow up doll does both.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But it will never pass for human because you don't have to buy it an
expensive meal or ply it with alcohol to get to give it up.

Have you meet JohnH's blow up doll?

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

On Feb 28, 1:57 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. But hope springs eternal!
And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?
Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.

My blow up doll does both.

Do you mean she bitches at you to turn off the TV Sports channel and has
way too many headaches?

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:21:19 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

On Feb 28, 1:57 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. But hope springs eternal!
And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?
Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.

My blow up doll does both.

Do you mean she bitches at you to turn off the TV Sports channel and has
way too many headaches?

Yeah, dammit. Proof she's learned human characteristics.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

On Feb 28, 1:57*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. *But hope springs eternal!

And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. *It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: *Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. *I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. *At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. *When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?

Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.

Can't help but think of Blade Runner when reading this. Never read
the book (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?) as I had moved on from
sci-fi by the time it came out. I'd like to read it, though.
Blade Runner is one of my favorite movies. One of the most haunting
scenes I've ever seen in a movie is when Deckard tells the girl her
memories are fake, that she's not human, whereupon she sheds tears.
The renegade warrior replicants did show one seemingly real emotion.
Hate your enemy. Might argue that was programmed. Or not.

--Vic

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:05:00 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

On Feb 28, 1:57*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. *But hope springs eternal!

And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. *It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: *Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. *I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. *At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. *When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?

Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.

Can't help but think of Blade Runner when reading this. Never read
the book (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?) as I had moved on from
sci-fi by the time it came out. I'd like to read it, though.

"Androids" is well worth the time to read - unlike some of his other
ego driven crap - Phillip K. Dick was a real dick in every sense of
the word. Talk about a meglomaniac.

Blade Runner is one of my favorite movies. One of the most haunting
scenes I've ever seen in a movie is when Deckard tells the girl her
memories are fake, that she's not human, whereupon she sheds tears.
The renegade warrior replicants did show one seemingly real emotion.
Hate your enemy. Might argue that was programmed. Or not.

Ridley Scott was really on his game with "Blade Runner". Great movie.

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

Back to computers: *Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. *I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. *At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. *When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?

Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.

Agreed but the point of the Turing test is that if the simulation is
so well done that an expert can not reliably tell the difference, then
intelligence exists.