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The bump draft is alive and well, 3 and 4 wide racing all day long,

The bump draft is relatively new and disliked by the majority of
drivers.
It
was even illegal for most of NASCAR's history.

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You're kidding, right?? If you really knew, then you'd know that bump
drafting was around a long, long time ago.
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Not in it's current incarnation. Until recently, if you bumped the
person in
front of you on every lap you would have eventually been black flagged,
or
fined.

If it's blatant and wreckless they still will.

They (and I ) would much rather see the cars with more horsepower to
put
the emphasis on driver
ability, and not whether or not someone is behind you to push you down
the
track.

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And because they are all on the playing field, they'd still be
drafting and bump drafting. They'd just be doing it at speeds greater
than they are now.
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They would be going faster down the straightway, and would actually have
to
lift off the gas/use brakes and plan entry angles prior to the corners..
At
this point they come into the turns wide open, never need brakes, and it
is
virtually impossible to overdrive the car into the corner unless there
is a
problem.

Not true at all. If there is a car anywhere around them, they'll lift.
They have to when they don't have the whole racetrack. In the old days
when they'd be single file, THAT was boring. Three and four wide is as
exciting as it gets. Hell, ask the old timers like DW and they'll tell
you as much.

The drivers go around Daytona with their foot to the floor for the
whole
race and there is virtually no difference between straightaway speeds
and
speeds in the turns (boring). Hell, they were going 20-30 miles an
hour
around the track 10-20 years ago.

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Bull****. Drag alone makes the cars drop 15 miles an hour or so in the
corners.
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to high 180's down the stretch and low to mid 180's in the
cornersdoesn't add up to 15 mph in my book.-

True, but that's not the speed in race trim.

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And they lift more than you think they do. More of it has todo with
handling than horsepower. Daytona's quite bumpy and always hasbeen.
Not too terribly long ago they didn't have the shock/springtechnology
nor front steer cars. The speed were kept down by having tolift in the
corners. Now with the teams able to use front or rearsteer cars,
incredible advances in shock technology, coil binding iscommon, the
seven post machine making it possible to test cars in alab under
actually races conditions for different tracks. and the listgoes
on....---------------------------------------------------------------------***-------------------
They *do not* lift off the gas at Daytona unless there is a problem
with thecar or they're about to run someone over.

They most certainly do!- Hide quoted text -

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Hey Loogie, if the guy don't like racin' let him go... no biggie.

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I love racing- just can't stand restrictor plate racing (the drivers hate it
too) .

As for Loogy, he can't even admit the fact that they go around Daytona
without lifting, so there's no sense continuing with him.- Hide quoted text -

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If you think for one second that when in traffic (we're talking about
racing, not practice, not qualifying) that they don't lift at Daytona,
you're either nuts, or don't know what you're talking about.

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On Feb 18, 4:42 pm, "Sam" wrote:

The bump draft is alive and well, 3 and 4 wide racing all day long,

The bump draft is relatively new and disliked by the majority of
drivers.
It
was even illegal for most of NASCAR's history.

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You're kidding, right?? If you really knew, then you'd know that bump
drafting was around a long, long time ago.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Not in it's current incarnation. Until recently, if you bumped the
person in
front of you on every lap you would have eventually been black flagged,
or
fined.

If it's blatant and wreckless they still will.

They (and I ) would much rather see the cars with more horsepower to
put
the emphasis on driver
ability, and not whether or not someone is behind you to push you down
the
track.

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And because they are all on the playing field, they'd still be
drafting and bump drafting. They'd just be doing it at speeds greater
than they are now.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

They would be going faster down the straightway, and would actually have
to
lift off the gas/use brakes and plan entry angles prior to the corners.
At
this point they come into the turns wide open, never need brakes, and it
is
virtually impossible to overdrive the car into the corner unless there
is a
problem.

Not true at all. If there is a car anywhere around them, they'll lift.
They have to when they don't have the whole racetrack. In the old days
when they'd be single file, THAT was boring. Three and four wide is as
exciting as it gets. Hell, ask the old timers like DW and they'll tell
you as much.

The drivers go around Daytona with their foot to the floor for the
whole
race and there is virtually no difference between straightaway speeds
and
speeds in the turns (boring). Hell, they were going 20-30 miles an
hour
around the track 10-20 years ago.

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Bull****. Drag alone makes the cars drop 15 miles an hour or so in the
corners.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mid
to high 180's down the stretch and low to mid 180's in the
cornersdoesn't add up to 15 mph in my book.-

True, but that's not the speed in race trim.

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And they lift more than you think they do. More of it has todo with
handling than horsepower. Daytona's quite bumpy and always hasbeen.
Not too terribly long ago they didn't have the shock/springtechnology
nor front steer cars. The speed were kept down by having tolift in the
corners. Now with the teams able to use front or rearsteer cars,
incredible advances in shock technology, coil binding iscommon, the
seven post machine making it possible to test cars in alab under
actually races conditions for different tracks. and the listgoes
on....-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
They *do not* lift off the gas at Daytona unless there is a problem
with thecar or they're about to run someone over.

They most certainly do!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey Loogie, if the guy don't like racin' let him go... no biggie.

---------------------------------------------------------------

I love racing- just can't stand restrictor plate racing (the drivers hate it
too) .

As for Loogy, he can't even admit the fact that they go around Daytona
without lifting, so there's no sense continuing with him.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Montoya had this to say:
YOU CAN'T GO THREE WIDE WITH THESE CARS?

"You can, but you're not going to run wide open. Two rows when it
comes right down to it can run wide open. Three wide the guy in the
middle is either going to slide down or up or they are going to cause
something."

Hmm, they ran three and four wide, and he says you can't do it wide
open..........still don't think they lifted?

IS IT MORE THE CAR OR THE DRIVER?

"This is more like the 400 last year for me where handling was more of
an issue. In the (Daytona) 500 here last year it was pretty easy to be
wide open and you could run pretty much anywhere. With these cars they
move around a lot more."

Hmmm, last year you could run wide open......this year the car moves
around a lot more.......still don't think they lifted?

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On Feb 19, 3:01 pm, "Sam" wrote:
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On Feb 19, 1:49 pm, wrote:





On Feb 19, 1:31 pm, "Sam" wrote:

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On Feb 19, 12:06 pm, "Sam" wrote:
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On Feb 18, 4:42 pm, "Sam" wrote:

The bump draft is alive and well, 3 and 4 wide racing all day long,

The bump draft is relatively new and disliked by the majority of
drivers.
It
was even illegal for most of NASCAR's history.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------***----------------
You're kidding, right?? If you really knew, then you'd know that bump
drafting was around a long, long time ago.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------***----------------

Not in it's current incarnation. Until recently, if you bumped the
person in
front of you on every lap you would have eventually been black
flagged,
or
fined.

If it's blatant and wreckless they still will.

They (and I ) would much rather see the cars with more horsepower to
put
the emphasis on driver
ability, and not whether or not someone is behind you to push you
down
the
track.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------***------
And because they are all on the playing field, they'd still be
drafting and bump drafting. They'd just be doing it at speeds greater
than they are now.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------***------

They would be going faster down the straightway, and would actually
have
to
lift off the gas/use brakes and plan entry angles prior to the
corners.
At
this point they come into the turns wide open, never need brakes, and
it
is
virtually impossible to overdrive the car into the corner unless there
is a
problem.

Not true at all. If there is a car anywhere around them, they'll lift.
They have to when they don't have the whole racetrack. In the old days
when they'd be single file, THAT was boring. Three and four wide is as
exciting as it gets. Hell, ask the old timers like DW and they'll tell
you as much.

The drivers go around Daytona with their foot to the floor for the
whole
race and there is virtually no difference between straightaway
speeds
and
speeds in the turns (boring). Hell, they were going 20-30 miles an
hour
around the track 10-20 years ago.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------***--------
Bull****. Drag alone makes the cars drop 15 miles an hour or so in the
corners.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------***--------Mid
to high 180's down the stretch and low to mid 180's in the
cornersdoesn't add up to 15 mph in my book.-

True, but that's not the speed in race trim.

---------------------------------------------------------------------*-----**-------------
And they lift more than you think they do. More of it has todo with
handling than horsepower. Daytona's quite bumpy and always hasbeen.
Not too terribly long ago they didn't have the shock/springtechnology
nor front steer cars. The speed were kept down by having tolift in the
corners. Now with the teams able to use front or rearsteer cars,
incredible advances in shock technology, coil binding iscommon, the
seven post machine making it possible to test cars in alab under
actually races conditions for different tracks. and the listgoes
on....---------------------------------------------------------------------***-------------------
They *do not* lift off the gas at Daytona unless there is a problem
with thecar or they're about to run someone over.

They most certainly do!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey Loogie, if the guy don't like racin' let him go... no biggie.

---------------------------------------------------------------

I love racing- just can't stand restrictor plate racing (the drivers hate
it
too) .

As for Loogy, he can't even admit the fact that they go around Daytona
without lifting, so there's no sense continuing with him.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

If you think for one second that when in traffic (we're talking about
racing, not practice, not qualifying) that they don't lift at Daytona,
you're either nuts, or don't know what you're talking about.
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I said I was done with you.

"KYLE BUSCH, No. 18 M&Ms Toyota Camry, Joe Gibbs Racing Finished: 4th After
leading the most laps, can you talk about your feelings at the finish? It
was a good day. We had the dominant car all day long. I could hold it wide
open every single lap of the race."

Sam wrote:
"KYLE BUSCH, No. 18 M&Ms Toyota Camry, Joe Gibbs Racing Finished: 4th After
leading the most laps, can you talk about your feelings at the finish? It
was a good day. We had the dominant car all day long. I could hold it wide
open every single lap of the race."




Was he using a spinning or casting reel?

Today's 50th running of the Daytona 500 has many indicators that can lead to
an educated guess as to who has the best chance of winding up in victory
lane.

Handling - the all important indice - being able to stay in the drafting
pack that is moving forward. The rest comes down to who is with you on the
last lap and how close you are on tire wear. The car and driver most capable
of running wide open laps on older tires will separate himself from the rest
of the field at Daytona - and the final element is pure luck.

JIMMIE JOHNSON , NO. 48 LOWE'S IMPALA SS ON HOW THE SHOOTOUT UNFOLDED FOR
HIM:

"The car was off on pace. Being a short track car we were missing a little
something. But it drove so well as a result, that I could really carve
through traffic and run wide open all night long and it kind of worked out
for me."

Sam wrote:
JIMMIE JOHNSON , NO. 48 LOWE'S IMPALA SS ON HOW THE SHOOTOUT UNFOLDED FOR
HIM:

"The car was off on pace. Being a short track car we were missing a little
something. But it drove so well as a result, that I could really carve
through traffic and run wide open all night long and it kind of worked out
for me."




Boy, this is some exciting stuff.

"HK" wrote in message
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Sam wrote:
JIMMIE JOHNSON , NO. 48 LOWE'S IMPALA SS ON HOW THE SHOOTOUT UNFOLDED FOR
HIM:

"The car was off on pace. Being a short track car we were missing a
little something. But it drove so well as a result, that I could really
carve through traffic and run wide open all night long and it kind of
worked out for me."




Boy, this is some exciting stuff.

Put me in your bin, jackoff.

Sam wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Sam wrote:
JIMMIE JOHNSON , NO. 48 LOWE'S IMPALA SS ON HOW THE SHOOTOUT UNFOLDED FOR
HIM:

"The car was off on pace. Being a short track car we were missing a
little something. But it drove so well as a result, that I could really
carve through traffic and run wide open all night long and it kind of
worked out for me."



Boy, this is some exciting stuff.

Put me in your bin, jackoff.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxKYG6KTK-M