A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates
 

Been a long, long time since you posted anything useful or original
about boats. What sort of boat do you have, and where, generally, do you
boat? Got anything on topic to add here?


I have on-topic news.

The check cleared. The Navigator is no longer.
Officially a one boat owner now. Well, two if you count the little Whaler.

That reminds me.

Harry,

When I gave the Yanmar "hint" to SW, you seemed to allude to a negative
opinion of them.
How come?

(Seriously)

Eisboch

A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates
 

Eisboch wrote:
Been a long, long time since you posted anything useful or original
about boats. What sort of boat do you have, and where, generally, do you
boat? Got anything on topic to add here?


I have on-topic news.

The check cleared. The Navigator is no longer.
Officially a one boat owner now. Well, two if you count the little Whaler.

That reminds me.

Harry,

When I gave the Yanmar "hint" to SW, you seemed to allude to a negative
opinion of them.
How come?

(Seriously)

Eisboch



First, congratulations. I hope you are buying a round at the local dairy
bar.

I don't have a negative opinion of Yanmars, but I do think the older
ones are at the end of their developmental cycle, and that there are
newer, more easily controllable (via computer) engines out there that
will more easily meet the upcoming diesel pollution standards. Much of
the current Yanmar line is a bit long in the tooth. If I were buying
today in the "middle" diesel range, I'd be looking at Cummins "QSx" series.

Incidentally, have you considered any of the Canadian builders? They
have some nice hulls in the 30-45' range and are amenable to all sorts
of customizing.

New, (old) boat (was A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates)
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
Been a long, long time since you posted anything useful or original
about boats. What sort of boat do you have, and where, generally, do you
boat? Got anything on topic to add here?


I have on-topic news.

The check cleared. The Navigator is no longer.
Officially a one boat owner now. Well, two if you count the little
Whaler.

That reminds me.

Harry,

When I gave the Yanmar "hint" to SW, you seemed to allude to a negative
opinion of them.
How come?

(Seriously)

Eisboch

First, congratulations. I hope you are buying a round at the local dairy
bar.

I don't have a negative opinion of Yanmars, but I do think the older ones
are at the end of their developmental cycle, and that there are newer,
more easily controllable (via computer) engines out there that will more
easily meet the upcoming diesel pollution standards. Much of the current
Yanmar line is a bit long in the tooth. If I were buying today in the
"middle" diesel range, I'd be looking at Cummins "QSx" series.

Incidentally, have you considered any of the Canadian builders? They have
some nice hulls in the 30-45' range and are amenable to all sorts of
customizing.

Well, here's another "hint". I've purchased my last new boat. Both the
Nav and the Egg were brandy-new and although I enjoyed them both, I learned
my lesson. I understand depreciation, but the "add-ons" required to
commission a new, larger boat can be quite expensive and when you sell, you
basically give them away. Unless it's a very unusual piece of equipment,
the boat is valued as a boat and not a "fully equipped" boat. The
Navigator had about 40k worth of commissioning add-ons. The Egg was a bit
less, but still added up. Also, any "improvements" you make are
give-a-ways. It probably isn't as much of an issue on smaller boats, but,
for example, the Raytheon electronics package on the Navigator was north of
15k. The thrusters were another 13-14K. They may make the boat more
desirable on the market, but they don't add anything to the resale value.

Plus, my boating plans have changed. It will be a local, seasonal activity
and not a potential "cruise everywhere" type year-round requirement that I
originally bought the Navigator for.

So, armed with this new found knowledge, my criteria is for an older, solid
hull from a reputable builder that otherwise has been recently re-powered,
remodeled, has updated electronics, and systems, etc. It still has to be
comfortable and large enough to spend many nights on it, but small enough
for me to comfortably single-hand. The Navigator was just a little too big
for that. Something in the 35-40' range with twin diesels is my goal.

To that end, I am eye-balling a couple that are on the market right now.
One has new (2006) 440hp turbo diesel Yanmars installed, still under
warranty, with 40 hours on them. The rest of the boat has been completely
re-wired, (AC and DC circuits) brand new Furuno radar/chartplotter/depth
finder, new autopilot, new carpets, furniture, refrig (same NovaCool that I
installed in the Navigator), ice maker, stove, microwave, etc. etc. etc.
It also has a new fuel tank, holding tank, fresh water tank and recently
installed VacuFlush head. The hull and topsides were redone with Awgrip
within the past two years. It's a convertible/sportsfish style and is even
equipped with a fighting chair in the cockpit, although the boat was not
fished extensively. I am giving it away, I know. The manufacturer starts
with "HATT". With the new engines it cruises at 26 kts and tops out at 30.

That's one. There's another not as fresh, but still interesting. Both may
be had for relatively short money, fully equipped, when compared to a new
build.

But, the GB also has to sell first, otherwise I'll just use it. I don't
want two boats.

Eisboch

New, (old) boat (was A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates)
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
Been a long, long time since you posted anything useful or original
about boats. What sort of boat do you have, and where, generally, do you
boat? Got anything on topic to add here?

I have on-topic news.

The check cleared. The Navigator is no longer.
Officially a one boat owner now. Well, two if you count the little
Whaler.

That reminds me.

Harry,

When I gave the Yanmar "hint" to SW, you seemed to allude to a negative
opinion of them.
How come?

(Seriously)

Eisboch
First, congratulations. I hope you are buying a round at the local dairy
bar.

I don't have a negative opinion of Yanmars, but I do think the older ones
are at the end of their developmental cycle, and that there are newer,
more easily controllable (via computer) engines out there that will more
easily meet the upcoming diesel pollution standards. Much of the current
Yanmar line is a bit long in the tooth. If I were buying today in the
"middle" diesel range, I'd be looking at Cummins "QSx" series.

Incidentally, have you considered any of the Canadian builders? They have
some nice hulls in the 30-45' range and are amenable to all sorts of
customizing.

Well, here's another "hint". I've purchased my last new boat. Both the
Nav and the Egg were brandy-new and although I enjoyed them both, I learned
my lesson. I understand depreciation, but the "add-ons" required to
commission a new, larger boat can be quite expensive and when you sell, you
basically give them away. Unless it's a very unusual piece of equipment,
the boat is valued as a boat and not a "fully equipped" boat. The
Navigator had about 40k worth of commissioning add-ons. The Egg was a bit
less, but still added up. Also, any "improvements" you make are
give-a-ways. It probably isn't as much of an issue on smaller boats, but,
for example, the Raytheon electronics package on the Navigator was north of
15k. The thrusters were another 13-14K. They may make the boat more
desirable on the market, but they don't add anything to the resale value.

Plus, my boating plans have changed. It will be a local, seasonal activity
and not a potential "cruise everywhere" type year-round requirement that I
originally bought the Navigator for.

So, armed with this new found knowledge, my criteria is for an older, solid
hull from a reputable builder that otherwise has been recently re-powered,
remodeled, has updated electronics, and systems, etc. It still has to be
comfortable and large enough to spend many nights on it, but small enough
for me to comfortably single-hand. The Navigator was just a little too big
for that. Something in the 35-40' range with twin diesels is my goal.

To that end, I am eye-balling a couple that are on the market right now.
One has new (2006) 440hp turbo diesel Yanmars installed, still under
warranty, with 40 hours on them. The rest of the boat has been completely
re-wired, (AC and DC circuits) brand new Furuno radar/chartplotter/depth
finder, new autopilot, new carpets, furniture, refrig (same NovaCool that I
installed in the Navigator), ice maker, stove, microwave, etc. etc. etc.
It also has a new fuel tank, holding tank, fresh water tank and recently
installed VacuFlush head. The hull and topsides were redone with Awgrip
within the past two years. It's a convertible/sportsfish style and is even
equipped with a fighting chair in the cockpit, although the boat was not
fished extensively. I am giving it away, I know. The manufacturer starts
with "HATT". With the new engines it cruises at 26 kts and tops out at 30.

That's one. There's another not as fresh, but still interesting. Both may
be had for relatively short money, fully equipped, when compared to a new
build.

But, the GB also has to sell first, otherwise I'll just use it. I don't
want two boats.

Eisboch


Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a
sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money.

New, (old) boat (was A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates)
 

"HK" wrote in message
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Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a
sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money.

Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a
reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells
before spring.

http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp

Eisboch

New, (old) boat (was A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates)
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..


Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a
sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money.

Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a
reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells
before spring.

http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp

Eisboch



Check your email. I sent you something you might find interesting.
Maybe. Very few have seen what you may have in your inbox. :-

New, (old) boat (was A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates)
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..


Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a
sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money.

Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a
reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells
before spring.

http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp

Eisboch




A cherry, and with repower, yet. A contingency purchase?

New, (old) boat (was A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates)
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..


Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a
sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money.

Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a
reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells
before spring.

http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp

Eisboch



Eisboch,
Are you leaning towards the Hatt because you are looking to get back
into some big time fishing?

New, (old) boat (was A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates)
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..


Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a
sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money.

Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a
reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells
before spring.

http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp

Eisboch


A cherry, and with repower, yet. A contingency purchase?

Not yet, officially. I mentioned to the broker that if he sells the GB, I
may be interested in it, but that's about it for now.

One thing is for sure. If it's not this for any reason, there is a wealth
of decent boats for sale right now.
I am in no rush. (unless I suddenly find myself boat-less)

Eisboch

New, (old) boat (was A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates)
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..

Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a
sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money.
Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a
reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells
before spring.

http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp

Eisboch

A cherry, and with repower, yet. A contingency purchase?

Not yet, officially. I mentioned to the broker that if he sells the GB, I
may be interested in it, but that's about it for now.

One thing is for sure. If it's not this for any reason, there is a wealth
of decent boats for sale right now.
I am in no rush. (unless I suddenly find myself boat-less)

Eisboch



Far be it from me to put down a Hatteras, but I don't believe that boat
would be so terrific a place on which to hang out at a marina. It won't
be as comfy as your current GB. But if you are actually going to take
some day or weekend trips, it'll be fun.