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A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates
Obama, Clinton Shower Cash on Delegates
Share February 14, 2008 5:30 PM ABC News Rick Klein Reports: They're by far the most influential 796 Democratic voters in the country, and they're being . . . showered with cash by the two remaining Democratic candidates? It's not quite as unseemly as it sounds. But an eyebrow-raising study from the Center for Responsive Politics shows that "superdelegates" have received at least $890,000 in political contributions from Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton -- going back to 2005 -- with Obama sending a larger share of cash to the influential party insiders. The study found that Obama has sent more than $694,000 from either his campaign account or his political action committee to superdelegates -- the members of Congress, governors, and other party leaders who receive automatic votes at the Democratic National Convention. About 40 percent of the elected officials who have endorsed Obama have received campaign contributions from him, the center reports. Those superdelegates have received a total of $228,000 from him. By contrast, Clinton sent out only $195,500 to superdelegates, and only 12 percent of her superdelegates received money from her for their campaigns, according to the report. And quantities may count. "In cases where superdelegates had received contributions from both Clinton and Obama, all seven elected officials who received more money from Clinton have committed to her," the report states. "Thirty-four of the 43 superdelegates who received more money from Obama, or 79 percent, are backing him." While such contributions are perfectly legal, they shine a light on another element of the little-understood process by which the Democratic Party chooses a nominee: Superdelegates could determine the nomination, and many of them are politicians themselves, with their own reelection campaigns to worry about when they make their choices. |
A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. .. Obama, Clinton Shower Cash on Delegates Share February 14, 2008 5:30 PM ABC News Rick Klein Reports: They're by far the most influential 796 Democratic voters in the country, and they're being . . . showered with cash by the two remaining Democratic candidates? It's not quite as unseemly as it sounds. But an eyebrow-raising study from the Center for Responsive Politics shows that "superdelegates" have received at least $890,000 in political contributions from Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton -- going back to 2005 -- with Obama sending a larger share of cash to the influential party insiders. Ya know, if this cash bought us worthwhile employees, it wouldn't feel so disgusting. But, for the most part, it doesn't. "After debacles in Iraq and New Orleans and mushrooming scandals that exposed much of Congress and the Cabinet as a low-rent crime family hired to collect protection money for the likes of Halliburton and Pfizer, people simply do not trust the politicians they vote for to be anything less than an embarrassment. You get the sense they approach the upcoming election with the enthusiasm of a two-time loser offered a selection of plea deals." |
A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates
"John H." wrote in message
... On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:05:34 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message m... Obama, Clinton Shower Cash on Delegates Share February 14, 2008 5:30 PM ABC News Rick Klein Reports: They're by far the most influential 796 Democratic voters in the country, and they're being . . . showered with cash by the two remaining Democratic candidates? It's not quite as unseemly as it sounds. But an eyebrow-raising study from the Center for Responsive Politics shows that "superdelegates" have received at least $890,000 in political contributions from Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton -- going back to 2005 -- with Obama sending a larger share of cash to the influential party insiders. Ya know, if this cash bought us worthwhile employees, it wouldn't feel so disgusting. But, for the most part, it doesn't. "After debacles in Iraq and New Orleans and mushrooming scandals that exposed much of Congress and the Cabinet as a low-rent crime family hired to collect protection money for the likes of Halliburton and Pfizer, people simply do not trust the politicians they vote for to be anything less than an embarrassment. You get the sense they approach the upcoming election with the enthusiasm of a two-time loser offered a selection of plea deals." You keep bringing up the idiocy of the liberal, Louisiana bureaucrats who totally f'd up New Orleans. I just can't understand why you do that? -- John H See my response to Bert. |
A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:44:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:05:34 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message om... Obama, Clinton Shower Cash on Delegates Share February 14, 2008 5:30 PM ABC News Rick Klein Reports: They're by far the most influential 796 Democratic voters in the country, and they're being . . . showered with cash by the two remaining Democratic candidates? It's not quite as unseemly as it sounds. But an eyebrow-raising study from the Center for Responsive Politics shows that "superdelegates" have received at least $890,000 in political contributions from Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton -- going back to 2005 -- with Obama sending a larger share of cash to the influential party insiders. Ya know, if this cash bought us worthwhile employees, it wouldn't feel so disgusting. But, for the most part, it doesn't. "After debacles in Iraq and New Orleans and mushrooming scandals that exposed much of Congress and the Cabinet as a low-rent crime family hired to collect protection money for the likes of Halliburton and Pfizer, people simply do not trust the politicians they vote for to be anything less than an embarrassment. You get the sense they approach the upcoming election with the enthusiasm of a two-time loser offered a selection of plea deals." You keep bringing up the idiocy of the liberal, Louisiana bureaucrats who totally f'd up New Orleans. I just can't understand why you do that? -- John H See my response to Bert. You didn't explain it in your response to Bert. -- John H |
A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates
"John H." wrote in message
... On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:44:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:05:34 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message news:x7SdnWlyrdeCXCjanZ2dnUVZ_t2inZ2d@comcast. com... Obama, Clinton Shower Cash on Delegates Share February 14, 2008 5:30 PM ABC News Rick Klein Reports: They're by far the most influential 796 Democratic voters in the country, and they're being . . . showered with cash by the two remaining Democratic candidates? It's not quite as unseemly as it sounds. But an eyebrow-raising study from the Center for Responsive Politics shows that "superdelegates" have received at least $890,000 in political contributions from Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton -- going back to 2005 -- with Obama sending a larger share of cash to the influential party insiders. Ya know, if this cash bought us worthwhile employees, it wouldn't feel so disgusting. But, for the most part, it doesn't. "After debacles in Iraq and New Orleans and mushrooming scandals that exposed much of Congress and the Cabinet as a low-rent crime family hired to collect protection money for the likes of Halliburton and Pfizer, people simply do not trust the politicians they vote for to be anything less than an embarrassment. You get the sense they approach the upcoming election with the enthusiasm of a two-time loser offered a selection of plea deals." You keep bringing up the idiocy of the liberal, Louisiana bureaucrats who totally f'd up New Orleans. I just can't understand why you do that? -- John H See my response to Bert. You didn't explain it in your response to Bert. -- John H I didn't intend to explain. There are several concepts in the paragraph. You're theoretically an adult. If you can't see the concepts, there's nothing I can do to help you. This is basic English class work. |
A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates
"John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:42:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: Obama, Clinton Shower Cash on Delegates Share February 14, 2008 5:30 PM ABC News Rick Klein Reports: They're by far the most influential 796 Democratic voters in the country, and they're being . . . showered with cash by the two remaining Democratic candidates? It's not quite as unseemly as it sounds. But an eyebrow-raising study from the Center for Responsive Politics shows that "superdelegates" have received at least $890,000 in political contributions from Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton -- going back to 2005 -- with Obama sending a larger share of cash to the influential party insiders. The study found that Obama has sent more than $694,000 from either his campaign account or his political action committee to superdelegates -- the members of Congress, governors, and other party leaders who receive automatic votes at the Democratic National Convention. About 40 percent of the elected officials who have endorsed Obama have received campaign contributions from him, the center reports. Those superdelegates have received a total of $228,000 from him. By contrast, Clinton sent out only $195,500 to superdelegates, and only 12 percent of her superdelegates received money from her for their campaigns, according to the report. And quantities may count. "In cases where superdelegates had received contributions from both Clinton and Obama, all seven elected officials who received more money from Clinton have committed to her," the report states. "Thirty-four of the 43 superdelegates who received more money from Obama, or 79 percent, are backing him." While such contributions are perfectly legal, they shine a light on another element of the little-understood process by which the Democratic Party chooses a nominee: Superdelegates could determine the nomination, and many of them are politicians themselves, with their own reelection campaigns to worry about when they make their choices. I wonder how much a super delegate costs? Looks like they're not cheap. Even more he http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=336 Seems a little sickening. -- John H It's just the Democratic elites taking care of their own. It's what they do. I just hope that President Obama has the stones to break rank and work to heal our very broken country. Clinton doesn't have the stuff and neither does McCain, although he is a stand up guy. |
A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates
Jim wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:42:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: Obama, Clinton Shower Cash on Delegates Share February 14, 2008 5:30 PM ABC News Rick Klein Reports: They're by far the most influential 796 Democratic voters in the country, and they're being . . . showered with cash by the two remaining Democratic candidates? It's not quite as unseemly as it sounds. But an eyebrow-raising study from the Center for Responsive Politics shows that "superdelegates" have received at least $890,000 in political contributions from Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton -- going back to 2005 -- with Obama sending a larger share of cash to the influential party insiders. The study found that Obama has sent more than $694,000 from either his campaign account or his political action committee to superdelegates -- the members of Congress, governors, and other party leaders who receive automatic votes at the Democratic National Convention. About 40 percent of the elected officials who have endorsed Obama have received campaign contributions from him, the center reports. Those superdelegates have received a total of $228,000 from him. By contrast, Clinton sent out only $195,500 to superdelegates, and only 12 percent of her superdelegates received money from her for their campaigns, according to the report. And quantities may count. "In cases where superdelegates had received contributions from both Clinton and Obama, all seven elected officials who received more money from Clinton have committed to her," the report states. "Thirty-four of the 43 superdelegates who received more money from Obama, or 79 percent, are backing him." While such contributions are perfectly legal, they shine a light on another element of the little-understood process by which the Democratic Party chooses a nominee: Superdelegates could determine the nomination, and many of them are politicians themselves, with their own reelection campaigns to worry about when they make their choices. I wonder how much a super delegate costs? Looks like they're not cheap. Even more he http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=336 Seems a little sickening. -- John H It's just the Democratic elites taking care of their own. It's what they do. I just hope that President Obama has the stones to break rank and work to heal our very broken country. Clinton doesn't have the stuff and neither does McCain, although he is a stand up guy. It's going to be fun, fun, fun next January with a Democratic president, house, senate, and moderate supreme court nominees. Maybe you'll get a boat, Jim. |
A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates
BAR wrote:
It is just more political babble from the left. Been a long, long time since you posted anything useful or original about boats. What sort of boat do you have, and where, generally, do you boat? Got anything on topic to add here? |
A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates
HK wrote:
BAR wrote: It is just more political babble from the left. Been a long, long time since you posted anything useful or original about boats. What sort of boat do you have, and where, generally, do you boat? Got anything on topic to add here? Crack open your dossier on me and tell everyone what my boat is and where I boat. You have gathered all of my information, haven't you. |
A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates
BAR wrote:
HK wrote: BAR wrote: It is just more political babble from the left. Been a long, long time since you posted anything useful or original about boats. What sort of boat do you have, and where, generally, do you boat? Got anything on topic to add here? Crack open your dossier on me and tell everyone what my boat is and where I boat. You have gathered all of my information, haven't you. Been a long, long time since you posted anything useful or original about boats. What sort of boat do you have, and where, generally, do you boat? Got anything on topic to add here? |
A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates
Been a long, long time since you posted anything useful or original about boats. What sort of boat do you have, and where, generally, do you boat? Got anything on topic to add here? I have on-topic news. The check cleared. The Navigator is no longer. Officially a one boat owner now. Well, two if you count the little Whaler. That reminds me. Harry, When I gave the Yanmar "hint" to SW, you seemed to allude to a negative opinion of them. How come? (Seriously) Eisboch |
A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates
Eisboch wrote:
Been a long, long time since you posted anything useful or original about boats. What sort of boat do you have, and where, generally, do you boat? Got anything on topic to add here? I have on-topic news. The check cleared. The Navigator is no longer. Officially a one boat owner now. Well, two if you count the little Whaler. That reminds me. Harry, When I gave the Yanmar "hint" to SW, you seemed to allude to a negative opinion of them. How come? (Seriously) Eisboch First, congratulations. I hope you are buying a round at the local dairy bar. I don't have a negative opinion of Yanmars, but I do think the older ones are at the end of their developmental cycle, and that there are newer, more easily controllable (via computer) engines out there that will more easily meet the upcoming diesel pollution standards. Much of the current Yanmar line is a bit long in the tooth. If I were buying today in the "middle" diesel range, I'd be looking at Cummins "QSx" series. Incidentally, have you considered any of the Canadian builders? They have some nice hulls in the 30-45' range and are amenable to all sorts of customizing. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: Been a long, long time since you posted anything useful or original about boats. What sort of boat do you have, and where, generally, do you boat? Got anything on topic to add here? I have on-topic news. The check cleared. The Navigator is no longer. Officially a one boat owner now. Well, two if you count the little Whaler. That reminds me. Harry, When I gave the Yanmar "hint" to SW, you seemed to allude to a negative opinion of them. How come? (Seriously) Eisboch First, congratulations. I hope you are buying a round at the local dairy bar. I don't have a negative opinion of Yanmars, but I do think the older ones are at the end of their developmental cycle, and that there are newer, more easily controllable (via computer) engines out there that will more easily meet the upcoming diesel pollution standards. Much of the current Yanmar line is a bit long in the tooth. If I were buying today in the "middle" diesel range, I'd be looking at Cummins "QSx" series. Incidentally, have you considered any of the Canadian builders? They have some nice hulls in the 30-45' range and are amenable to all sorts of customizing. Well, here's another "hint". I've purchased my last new boat. Both the Nav and the Egg were brandy-new and although I enjoyed them both, I learned my lesson. I understand depreciation, but the "add-ons" required to commission a new, larger boat can be quite expensive and when you sell, you basically give them away. Unless it's a very unusual piece of equipment, the boat is valued as a boat and not a "fully equipped" boat. The Navigator had about 40k worth of commissioning add-ons. The Egg was a bit less, but still added up. Also, any "improvements" you make are give-a-ways. It probably isn't as much of an issue on smaller boats, but, for example, the Raytheon electronics package on the Navigator was north of 15k. The thrusters were another 13-14K. They may make the boat more desirable on the market, but they don't add anything to the resale value. Plus, my boating plans have changed. It will be a local, seasonal activity and not a potential "cruise everywhere" type year-round requirement that I originally bought the Navigator for. So, armed with this new found knowledge, my criteria is for an older, solid hull from a reputable builder that otherwise has been recently re-powered, remodeled, has updated electronics, and systems, etc. It still has to be comfortable and large enough to spend many nights on it, but small enough for me to comfortably single-hand. The Navigator was just a little too big for that. Something in the 35-40' range with twin diesels is my goal. To that end, I am eye-balling a couple that are on the market right now. One has new (2006) 440hp turbo diesel Yanmars installed, still under warranty, with 40 hours on them. The rest of the boat has been completely re-wired, (AC and DC circuits) brand new Furuno radar/chartplotter/depth finder, new autopilot, new carpets, furniture, refrig (same NovaCool that I installed in the Navigator), ice maker, stove, microwave, etc. etc. etc. It also has a new fuel tank, holding tank, fresh water tank and recently installed VacuFlush head. The hull and topsides were redone with Awgrip within the past two years. It's a convertible/sportsfish style and is even equipped with a fighting chair in the cockpit, although the boat was not fished extensively. I am giving it away, I know. The manufacturer starts with "HATT". With the new engines it cruises at 26 kts and tops out at 30. That's one. There's another not as fresh, but still interesting. Both may be had for relatively short money, fully equipped, when compared to a new build. But, the GB also has to sell first, otherwise I'll just use it. I don't want two boats. Eisboch |
New, (old) boat (was A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates)
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: Been a long, long time since you posted anything useful or original about boats. What sort of boat do you have, and where, generally, do you boat? Got anything on topic to add here? I have on-topic news. The check cleared. The Navigator is no longer. Officially a one boat owner now. Well, two if you count the little Whaler. That reminds me. Harry, When I gave the Yanmar "hint" to SW, you seemed to allude to a negative opinion of them. How come? (Seriously) Eisboch First, congratulations. I hope you are buying a round at the local dairy bar. I don't have a negative opinion of Yanmars, but I do think the older ones are at the end of their developmental cycle, and that there are newer, more easily controllable (via computer) engines out there that will more easily meet the upcoming diesel pollution standards. Much of the current Yanmar line is a bit long in the tooth. If I were buying today in the "middle" diesel range, I'd be looking at Cummins "QSx" series. Incidentally, have you considered any of the Canadian builders? They have some nice hulls in the 30-45' range and are amenable to all sorts of customizing. Well, here's another "hint". I've purchased my last new boat. Both the Nav and the Egg were brandy-new and although I enjoyed them both, I learned my lesson. I understand depreciation, but the "add-ons" required to commission a new, larger boat can be quite expensive and when you sell, you basically give them away. Unless it's a very unusual piece of equipment, the boat is valued as a boat and not a "fully equipped" boat. The Navigator had about 40k worth of commissioning add-ons. The Egg was a bit less, but still added up. Also, any "improvements" you make are give-a-ways. It probably isn't as much of an issue on smaller boats, but, for example, the Raytheon electronics package on the Navigator was north of 15k. The thrusters were another 13-14K. They may make the boat more desirable on the market, but they don't add anything to the resale value. Plus, my boating plans have changed. It will be a local, seasonal activity and not a potential "cruise everywhere" type year-round requirement that I originally bought the Navigator for. So, armed with this new found knowledge, my criteria is for an older, solid hull from a reputable builder that otherwise has been recently re-powered, remodeled, has updated electronics, and systems, etc. It still has to be comfortable and large enough to spend many nights on it, but small enough for me to comfortably single-hand. The Navigator was just a little too big for that. Something in the 35-40' range with twin diesels is my goal. To that end, I am eye-balling a couple that are on the market right now. One has new (2006) 440hp turbo diesel Yanmars installed, still under warranty, with 40 hours on them. The rest of the boat has been completely re-wired, (AC and DC circuits) brand new Furuno radar/chartplotter/depth finder, new autopilot, new carpets, furniture, refrig (same NovaCool that I installed in the Navigator), ice maker, stove, microwave, etc. etc. etc. It also has a new fuel tank, holding tank, fresh water tank and recently installed VacuFlush head. The hull and topsides were redone with Awgrip within the past two years. It's a convertible/sportsfish style and is even equipped with a fighting chair in the cockpit, although the boat was not fished extensively. I am giving it away, I know. The manufacturer starts with "HATT". With the new engines it cruises at 26 kts and tops out at 30. That's one. There's another not as fresh, but still interesting. Both may be had for relatively short money, fully equipped, when compared to a new build. But, the GB also has to sell first, otherwise I'll just use it. I don't want two boats. Eisboch Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money. |
New, (old) boat (was A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates)
"HK" wrote in message . .. Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money. Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells before spring. http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp Eisboch |
New, (old) boat (was A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates)
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money. Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells before spring. http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp Eisboch Check your email. I sent you something you might find interesting. Maybe. Very few have seen what you may have in your inbox. :- |
New, (old) boat (was A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates)
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money. Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells before spring. http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp Eisboch A cherry, and with repower, yet. A contingency purchase? |
New, (old) boat (was A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates)
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money. Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells before spring. http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp Eisboch Eisboch, Are you leaning towards the Hatt because you are looking to get back into some big time fishing? |
New, (old) boat (was A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates)
"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money. Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells before spring. http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp Eisboch A cherry, and with repower, yet. A contingency purchase? Not yet, officially. I mentioned to the broker that if he sells the GB, I may be interested in it, but that's about it for now. One thing is for sure. If it's not this for any reason, there is a wealth of decent boats for sale right now. I am in no rush. (unless I suddenly find myself boat-less) Eisboch |
New, (old) boat (was A new twist to the Democratic Superdelegates)
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money. Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells before spring. http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp Eisboch A cherry, and with repower, yet. A contingency purchase? Not yet, officially. I mentioned to the broker that if he sells the GB, I may be interested in it, but that's about it for now. One thing is for sure. If it's not this for any reason, there is a wealth of decent boats for sale right now. I am in no rush. (unless I suddenly find myself boat-less) Eisboch Far be it from me to put down a Hatteras, but I don't believe that boat would be so terrific a place on which to hang out at a marina. It won't be as comfy as your current GB. But if you are actually going to take some day or weekend trips, it'll be fun. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money. Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells before spring. http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp Eisboch Eisboch, Are you leaning towards the Hatt because you are looking to get back into some big time fishing? Not "big time", but it is a factor. My sons, son-in-law and brother all enjoy fishing and have often talked about how much fun we had with the Egg Harbor. I am not a big fisherman, but I enjoy running the boat, finding the fish and doing the boat handling if you happen to hook up with a decent tuna or something. The Navigator was more of a comfort, cruising boat, ideal for it's original purpose but boring for the fishing fans. The GB is just too slow and is not a fishing platform. I've thought about it a lot and I agree with the rest of the "crew". We had a lot of fun, so, why not? Eisboch |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Far be it from me to put down a Hatteras, but I don't believe that boat would be so terrific a place on which to hang out at a marina. It won't be as comfy as your current GB. But if you are actually going to take some day or weekend trips, it'll be fun. As I explained to Reggie in another post, my sons, son-in-law, brother and also a few friends enjoy the fishing ritual. Since I sold the Egg Harbor, few of them have had much interest in boating, which I can completely understand and they sometimes get on my case for selling it. The physical act of "fishing" does little for me, but I *do* enjoy the ritual ..... staying on the boat the night before, the "crew" arriving with a box-o-joe from Duncan Donuts at 4:30-5:00 am, underway just before sunrise, head out 30 miles or so, then return with a fishbox full of cod and a bunch of tired, happy people on board. It's fun. I really enjoy the tuna season though. The boat captain is just as instrumental on getting the fish aboard as the guy with the rod .... maybe even more so. Eisboch |
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wrote in message ... And just think... When you buy a boat like that with all the recent upgrades, you'll be gaining back the value of what you lost when you gave the same things away with the Navigator! Took me eight years to figure that out! Eisboch |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... Looks like a chartering business could be in your future. Time to dust off the books: http://www.marinersschool.com/license/operator.htm Nah. I already took the course and passed the test. After witnessing what the charter boat guys go through, I wouldn't want to. Around here, hiring a charter fishing trip is a big deal to most non-boaters and there is not shortage of customers. Unfortunately, it usually turns out to be a once a summer guys day out with more booze on the boat than brains. I've witnessed some boat owners having a rough time with the drunks as they return from 8 hours of fishing and drinking. I am not adverse to drinking. I've even been rumored to have imbibed myself on occasion. But not on the boat, while underway. I just don't want the hassle. I want it to be fun. Eisboch |
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On Feb 15, 3:52*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money. Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a reasonable offer. *But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells before spring. http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp Eisboch nice looking tub. |
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"Tim" wrote in message ... On Feb 15, 3:52 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money. Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells before spring. http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp Eisboch nice looking tub. Heh. There's nothing particularly "pretty" about an older Hatt. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... Looks like a chartering business could be in your future. Time to dust off the books: http://www.marinersschool.com/license/operator.htm Nah. I already took the course and passed the test. After witnessing what the charter boat guys go through, I wouldn't want to. Around here, hiring a charter fishing trip is a big deal to most non-boaters and there is not shortage of customers. Unfortunately, it usually turns out to be a once a summer guys day out with more booze on the boat than brains. I've witnessed some boat owners having a rough time with the drunks as they return from 8 hours of fishing and drinking. I am not adverse to drinking. I've even been rumored to have imbibed myself on occasion. But not on the boat, while underway. I just don't want the hassle. I want it to be fun. Eisboch Wonder if there is any market for a booze & smoke free fishing charter service? |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money. Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells before spring. http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp Eisboch Eisboch, Are you leaning towards the Hatt because you are looking to get back into some big time fishing? Not "big time", but it is a factor. My sons, son-in-law and brother all enjoy fishing and have often talked about how much fun we had with the Egg Harbor. I am not a big fisherman, but I enjoy running the boat, finding the fish and doing the boat handling if you happen to hook up with a decent tuna or something. The Navigator was more of a comfort, cruising boat, ideal for it's original purpose but boring for the fishing fans. The GB is just too slow and is not a fishing platform. I've thought about it a lot and I agree with the rest of the "crew". We had a lot of fun, so, why not? Eisboch That's a very important element. Unless your wife is gung ho to cruise with you...or you enjoy cruising and overnighting by yourself....... you have to cater a bit to your crew/guests. I miss crewing on our captains sailboats and will encourage him to buy another one this year at any chance I get. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... That's a very important element. Unless your wife is gung ho to cruise with you...or you enjoy cruising and overnighting by yourself....... you have to cater a bit to your crew/guests. I miss crewing on our captains sailboats and will encourage him to buy another one this year at any chance I get. It's a big part of what to get next. Mrs.E. is busy with her own interests and hobbies. She likes "her" GB, but doesn't have the time to spend much time on it. Everyone else has little interest or time available for a long range "comfort" cruise. That's why the Navigator has had little use over the last 3 years. At over 52', it's not exactly something that I can hop aboard myself and decide to go for a boat ride for a couple of hours. Although sometimes I did anyway and it would take me as long to wash it after I got back as I spent underway. Nah, I need to get something that others enjoy as well. Plus, by tradition, the "crew" gets to wash the boat. Eisboch |
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:41:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message .. . That's a very important element. Unless your wife is gung ho to cruise with you...or you enjoy cruising and overnighting by yourself....... you have to cater a bit to your crew/guests. I miss crewing on our captains sailboats and will encourage him to buy another one this year at any chance I get. It's a big part of what to get next. Mrs.E. is busy with her own interests and hobbies. She likes "her" GB, but doesn't have the time to spend much time on it. Everyone else has little interest or time available for a long range "comfort" cruise. That's why the Navigator has had little use over the last 3 years. At over 52', it's not exactly something that I can hop aboard myself and decide to go for a boat ride for a couple of hours. Although sometimes I did anyway and it would take me as long to wash it after I got back as I spent underway. Nah, I need to get something that others enjoy as well. Plus, by tradition, the "crew" gets to wash the boat. Eisboch It looks like something you'll get a lot of use out of, and you won't be nervous as hell about getting a small scratch on it. Let us know when you've found the 'tuna patch' so we can all come up and be a 'boat ho' for a day's fishing! -- John H |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Far be it from me to put down a Hatteras, but I don't believe that boat would be so terrific a place on which to hang out at a marina. It won't be as comfy as your current GB. But if you are actually going to take some day or weekend trips, it'll be fun. As I explained to Reggie in another post, my sons, son-in-law, brother and also a few friends enjoy the fishing ritual. Since I sold the Egg Harbor, few of them have had much interest in boating, which I can completely understand and they sometimes get on my case for selling it. The physical act of "fishing" does little for me, but I *do* enjoy the ritual ..... staying on the boat the night before, the "crew" arriving with a box-o-joe from Duncan Donuts at 4:30-5:00 am, underway just before sunrise, head out 30 miles or so, then return with a fishbox full of cod and a bunch of tired, happy people on board. It's fun. I really enjoy the tuna season though. The boat captain is just as instrumental on getting the fish aboard as the guy with the rod .... maybe even more so. Eisboch Sounds like a winner. You might be able to hire that broken down old SWS as a really cheap deck hand. |
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On Feb 15, 7:18*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Feb 15, 3:52 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money. Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells before spring. http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp Eisboch nice looking tub. Heh. *There's nothing particularly "pretty" about an older *Hatt. Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, not eligant but it has been remodeled with lot of new goodies. |
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Tim wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:18 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Feb 15, 3:52 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Well, I can't and won't argue with your logic for finding and buying a sound Hatteras, especially for "short" money. Given today's market conditions, I suspect the seller will consider a reasonable offer. But, I really am not in any hurry unless the GB sells before spring. http://tinyurl.com/ypg3lp Eisboch nice looking tub. Heh. There's nothing particularly "pretty" about an older Hatt. Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, not eligant but it has been remodeled with lot of new goodies. Actually I have always enjoyed the classic lines of an older Hatt, and if your family would enjoy it for weekend outings, that would be a hell of a boat. |
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