HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:21:07 -0500, HK wrote:

Oh, and despite what the pundits say, I believe Clinton and Obama
will be well-served by fighting for the nomination to the very end.
Democrats will be happy with either candidate.

My friend, you are in a serious state of denial.

Hispanics are abandoning Hillary because she fired what's her face who
was a Hispanic.

And they ain't going to Obama.


Yeah, right. They're going to flock to the Republicans who want to round
them up and deport them. Sure...that's the ticket.


Didn't you see McCain slapping backs with the other Senators last summer
when they told the public about the amnesty bill?

McCain is on the side of the illegal alien not legally allowed to vote
crowd regardless of their ethnic or cultural origins.

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 13, 11:08 am, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:21:07 -0500, HK wrote:
Oh, and despite what the pundits say, I believe Clinton and Obama will
be well-served by fighting for the nomination to the very end.
Democrats
will be happy with either candidate.
My friend, you are in a serious state of denial.
Hispanics are abandoning Hillary because she fired what's her face who
was a Hispanic.
And they ain't going to Obama.
Yeah, right. They're going to flock to the Republicans who want to round
them up and deport them. Sure...that's the ticket.

The big question on all the news shows to undecideds is "what exactly
has Obama done?". There are still no answers except that he is
motivational, Black, and hopeful... Not one accomplishment could even
be noted by his strongest supporters...


I suspect his C.V. will stand up to yours.

And what accomplishments does his C.V. contain that leads you to think
he will make a good executive?

This past weekend I saw part of an interview with Obama where the
interviewer asked what have your run since you ran the Harvard Law
review 20 years ago?

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:37:32 -0500, BAR wrote:

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "HK"
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:03 AM
Subject: Hillay bites the dust



Yet another reason why I prefer *closed* primaries and secret
ballot voting, as opposed to open primaries, which encourage
crossovers, and caucuses, which encourage group vote, not secret
ballot vote.

Yet, you are a fan of "brokered" conventions?

Eisboch


I like the rough and tumble of tight primary races and conventions
in which delegates make a difference, and have to vote many times
in order to select a delegate. A good convention is like a
microcosm of the House of Representatives, with the delegates
elected by the people back home working for consensus. It's not the
same animal as a caucus.

Today's conventions are just too antiseptic for my taste.


That's all fine, good and healthy if it weren't for the "Super
Delegates" who don't necessarily have the backing of the people back
home. That's where the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours"
deals are made.

Eisboch



The super delegates as a group will support the will of the voters
and their delegates. If Hillary doesn't do very well in Texas, Ohio,
and Pennsylvania, it is all over for her.

What is the original purpose of the super delegates. Why do they
exist? What problem(s) do they solve to justify their existence?

For the Democrat party, which wants to be called the Democratic party,
to use super delegates to select their nominee to the Presidency is
laughable due to it not being a democratic process.


Read a book, d.f., and become enlightened.

I really do not understand why an educated man such as yourself Harry
puts up with this den of idiocy and stupidity? Wouldn't it suite your
stature and place to go to group more worthy of your intellect,
intelligence and general presence?

I will assume that since you will not answer the question about super
delegates it is due to the fact that the DNC wants to make sure that the
leadership of the party controls the nominating process. Great way to
get the nominee to accede to the will of the party leadership rather
than the will of the people. Democratic Party? You have got to be kidding.



There is the matter of 'cojones'.
--
John H

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:21:07 -0500, HK wrote:

Oh, and despite what the pundits say, I believe Clinton and Obama
will be well-served by fighting for the nomination to the very end.
Democrats will be happy with either candidate.

My friend, you are in a serious state of denial.

Hispanics are abandoning Hillary because she fired what's her face who
was a Hispanic.

And they ain't going to Obama.


Yeah, right. They're going to flock to the Republicans who want to
round them up and deport them. Sure...that's the ticket.


Didn't you see McCain slapping backs with the other Senators last summer
when they told the public about the amnesty bill?

McCain is on the side of the illegal alien not legally allowed to vote
crowd regardless of their ethnic or cultural origins.


McCain is not the Republican Party, and will not support his proposal.

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 13, 11:08 am, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:21:07 -0500, HK wrote:
Oh, and despite what the pundits say, I believe Clinton and Obama
will
be well-served by fighting for the nomination to the very end.
Democrats
will be happy with either candidate.
My friend, you are in a serious state of denial.
Hispanics are abandoning Hillary because she fired what's her face who
was a Hispanic.
And they ain't going to Obama.
Yeah, right. They're going to flock to the Republicans who want to
round
them up and deport them. Sure...that's the ticket.

The big question on all the news shows to undecideds is "what exactly
has Obama done?". There are still no answers except that he is
motivational, Black, and hopeful... Not one accomplishment could even
be noted by his strongest supporters...


I suspect his C.V. will stand up to yours.

And what accomplishments does his C.V. contain that leads you to think
he will make a good executive?

This past weekend I saw part of an interview with Obama where the
interviewer asked what have your run since you ran the Harvard Law
review 20 years ago?


Consider this: you aren't qualified to take out the trash at the Harvard
Law Review.

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:32:29 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:


The big question on all the news shows to undecideds is "what exactly
has Obama done?". There are still no answers except that he is
motivational, Black, and hopeful... Not one accomplishment could even be
noted by his strongest supporters...

That says a lot about news shows, undecideds, etc. It doesn't say
anything about Obama, does it? Besides being "motivational, Black, and
hopeful", he's devoted his life to community service. There are several
biographies online, perhaps you should read one. For a young man, his
life seems filled with accomplishments, not the least of which, being the
Democratic front runner in the race for POTUS.

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:21:07 -0500, HK wrote:

Oh, and despite what the pundits say, I believe Clinton and Obama
will be well-served by fighting for the nomination to the very end.
Democrats will be happy with either candidate.

My friend, you are in a serious state of denial.

Hispanics are abandoning Hillary because she fired what's her face who
was a Hispanic.

And they ain't going to Obama.


Yeah, right. They're going to flock to the Republicans who want to
round them up and deport them. Sure...that's the ticket.


Didn't you see McCain slapping backs with the other Senators last
summer when they told the public about the amnesty bill?

McCain is on the side of the illegal alien not legally allowed to vote
crowd regardless of their ethnic or cultural origins.


McCain is not the Republican Party, and will not support his proposal.

As soon as he secures enough delegates to get the Republican Party's
nomination he becomes the Republican Party.

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 13, 11:08 am, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:21:07 -0500, HK
wrote:
Oh, and despite what the pundits say, I believe Clinton and Obama
will
be well-served by fighting for the nomination to the very end.
Democrats
will be happy with either candidate.
My friend, you are in a serious state of denial.
Hispanics are abandoning Hillary because she fired what's her face
who
was a Hispanic.
And they ain't going to Obama.
Yeah, right. They're going to flock to the Republicans who want to
round
them up and deport them. Sure...that's the ticket.

The big question on all the news shows to undecideds is "what exactly
has Obama done?". There are still no answers except that he is
motivational, Black, and hopeful... Not one accomplishment could even
be noted by his strongest supporters...


I suspect his C.V. will stand up to yours.

And what accomplishments does his C.V. contain that leads you to think
he will make a good executive?

This past weekend I saw part of an interview with Obama where the
interviewer asked what have your run since you ran the Harvard Law
review 20 years ago?


Consider this: you aren't qualified to take out the trash at the Harvard
Law Review.

Again, you provide no facts to support your arguments.

wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:32:29 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:


The big question on all the news shows to undecideds is "what exactly
has Obama done?". There are still no answers except that he is
motivational, Black, and hopeful... Not one accomplishment could even be
noted by his strongest supporters...

That says a lot about news shows, undecideds, etc. It doesn't say
anything about Obama, does it? Besides being "motivational, Black, and
hopeful", he's devoted his life to community service. There are several
biographies online, perhaps you should read one. For a young man, his
life seems filled with accomplishments, not the least of which, being the
Democratic front runner in the race for POTUS.

Doesn't mean he has what it takes to run a country. The same goes for
Hillary and McCain.

On Feb 13, 4:13�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
That loud sucking sound heard in Potomic area was Hillary losing 3 more
primaries.

It looks like the only way Hillary will win the primary is if Billary
can steal this away with super delegates and some rule changes.

Not so fast.

The Democrats don't really "lose" primaries. Because the delegates are
apportioned, there is a lot of value to be gleaned by coming in a
close second in a lot of contests, and a candidate can be nominated by
finishing close in a lot of the small states and winning outright in
just a few of the larger ones (like CA, TX, etc).

One of the talking heads on the news last night used a computer model
to forecast a deadlocked D convention. He noted that if Obama won
every remaining state with the same margin he has averaged so far in
the primaries he would *still* be short of the nomination. And the
same is true for Hillary. Unless something dramatic happens,
(Headline: Barack Obama indicted as a 9-11 conspirator), the Deomcrats
risk wasting all of the fresh energy and enthusiasm the primary
campaigns have generated. If it gets down to the "super-delegates"
retiring to a smoke-filled room to make side deals and make the only
meaningful decision regarding the nominee, the resulting public
cynicism will be very ugly indeed.