On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:21:07 -0500, HK wrote:

Oh, and despite what the pundits say, I believe Clinton and Obama will
be well-served by fighting for the nomination to the very end. Democrats
will be happy with either candidate.

My friend, you are in a serious state of denial.

Hispanics are abandoning Hillary because she fired what's her face who
was a Hispanic.

And they ain't going to Obama.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:21:07 -0500, HK wrote:

Oh, and despite what the pundits say, I believe Clinton and Obama will
be well-served by fighting for the nomination to the very end. Democrats
will be happy with either candidate.

My friend, you are in a serious state of denial.

Hispanics are abandoning Hillary because she fired what's her face who
was a Hispanic.

And they ain't going to Obama.


Yeah, right. They're going to flock to the Republicans who want to round
them up and deport them. Sure...that's the ticket.

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:26:17 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


They were started because of the 68 Convention, and because every time
they had a brokered convention, they hurt themselves so badly, they lost
the general election. The Republican's use a winner take all delegate
program in many states so it won't go to a broker convention. Since
this follows the general election, I think it makes more sense than
Super Delegats who can overide the entire primary system.

With all this talk of the Democrat's Super Delegates, it's interesting to
note, the Republicans will have the same percentage of *unpledged*
delegates at their convention. Although, in the case of Republicans,
it's dependent on the way the states designate their delegates.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/hor...republica.html

wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:26:17 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


They were started because of the 68 Convention, and because every time
they had a brokered convention, they hurt themselves so badly, they lost
the general election. The Republican's use a winner take all delegate
program in many states so it won't go to a broker convention. Since
this follows the general election, I think it makes more sense than
Super Delegats who can overide the entire primary system.

With all this talk of the Democrat's Super Delegates, it's interesting to
note, the Republicans will have the same percentage of *unpledged*
delegates at their convention. Although, in the case of Republicans,
it's dependent on the way the states designate their delegates.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/hor...republica.html


My guess is that the "Super Delegate" buzz is just something the media
is using to try to build up more interest (and ratings) in political
coverage.

On Feb 13, 11:08*am, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:21:07 -0500, HK wrote:

Oh, and despite what the pundits say, I believe Clinton and Obama will
be well-served by fighting for the nomination to the very end. Democrats
will be happy with either candidate.

My friend, you are in a serious state of denial.

Hispanics are abandoning Hillary because she fired what's her face who
was a Hispanic.

And they ain't going to Obama.

Yeah, right. They're going to flock to the Republicans who want to round
them up and deport them. Sure...that's the ticket.

The big question on all the news shows to undecideds is "what exactly
has Obama done?". There are still no answers except that he is
motivational, Black, and hopeful... Not one accomplishment could even
be noted by his strongest supporters...

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:22:55 -0500, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:58:55 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Feb 13, 6:13 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
That loud sucking sound heard in Potomic area was Hillary losing 3 more
primaries.

It looks like the only way Hillary will win the primary is if Billary
can steal this away with super delegates and some rule changes.
well, you knew it was coming....

I really didn't think she had much of a chance when she started.

------------------------------------

I thought she did for a while, mainly because she has run around the country
promising a government solution or handout to everybody's problems or
interests. Things like promising everybody $5k for every kid born during
her administration is a great way get attention and buy votes. It's a
classic.

Eisboch


Are you suggesting my wife and I should stop going to the fertility clinic?

Damn!

You are just too cheap to buy the magazines yourself!

LOL! It took a couple seconds, but it was funny!
--
John H

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "HK"
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:03 AM
Subject: Hillay bites the dust



Yet another reason why I prefer *closed* primaries and secret
ballot voting, as opposed to open primaries, which encourage
crossovers, and caucuses, which encourage group vote, not secret
ballot vote.

Yet, you are a fan of "brokered" conventions?

Eisboch


I like the rough and tumble of tight primary races and conventions
in which delegates make a difference, and have to vote many times
in order to select a delegate. A good convention is like a
microcosm of the House of Representatives, with the delegates
elected by the people back home working for consensus. It's not the
same animal as a caucus.

Today's conventions are just too antiseptic for my taste.


That's all fine, good and healthy if it weren't for the "Super
Delegates" who don't necessarily have the backing of the people back
home. That's where the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours"
deals are made.

Eisboch



The super delegates as a group will support the will of the voters
and their delegates. If Hillary doesn't do very well in Texas, Ohio,
and Pennsylvania, it is all over for her.

What is the original purpose of the super delegates. Why do they
exist? What problem(s) do they solve to justify their existence?

For the Democrat party, which wants to be called the Democratic party,
to use super delegates to select their nominee to the Presidency is
laughable due to it not being a democratic process.


Read a book, d.f., and become enlightened.

I really do not understand why an educated man such as yourself Harry
puts up with this den of idiocy and stupidity? Wouldn't it suite your
stature and place to go to group more worthy of your intellect,
intelligence and general presence?

I will assume that since you will not answer the question about super
delegates it is due to the fact that the DNC wants to make sure that the
leadership of the party controls the nominating process. Great way to
get the nominee to accede to the will of the party leadership rather
than the will of the people. Democratic Party? You have got to be kidding.

wrote:
On Feb 13, 11:08 am, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:21:07 -0500, HK wrote:
Oh, and despite what the pundits say, I believe Clinton and Obama will
be well-served by fighting for the nomination to the very end. Democrats
will be happy with either candidate.
My friend, you are in a serious state of denial.
Hispanics are abandoning Hillary because she fired what's her face who
was a Hispanic.
And they ain't going to Obama.
Yeah, right. They're going to flock to the Republicans who want to round
them up and deport them. Sure...that's the ticket.

The big question on all the news shows to undecideds is "what exactly
has Obama done?". There are still no answers except that he is
motivational, Black, and hopeful... Not one accomplishment could even
be noted by his strongest supporters...


I suspect his C.V. will stand up to yours.

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:21:07 -0500, HK wrote:

Oh, and despite what the pundits say, I believe Clinton and Obama
will be well-served by fighting for the nomination to the very end.
Democrats will be happy with either candidate.

My friend, you are in a serious state of denial.

Hispanics are abandoning Hillary because she fired what's her face who
was a Hispanic.

And they ain't going to Obama.


Yeah, right. They're going to flock to the Republicans who want to round
them up and deport them. Sure...that's the ticket.


Harry,
The ones voting are not concerned about deporting, and McCain policy on
immigration is very similar to the Dem's policy on immigration.

You really do need to start thinking before you post.

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "HK"
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:03 AM
Subject: Hillay bites the dust



Yet another reason why I prefer *closed* primaries and secret
ballot voting, as opposed to open primaries, which encourage
crossovers, and caucuses, which encourage group vote, not secret
ballot vote.

Yet, you are a fan of "brokered" conventions?

Eisboch


I like the rough and tumble of tight primary races and conventions
in which delegates make a difference, and have to vote many times
in order to select a delegate. A good convention is like a
microcosm of the House of Representatives, with the delegates
elected by the people back home working for consensus. It's not
the same animal as a caucus.

Today's conventions are just too antiseptic for my taste.


That's all fine, good and healthy if it weren't for the "Super
Delegates" who don't necessarily have the backing of the people
back home. That's where the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch
yours" deals are made.

Eisboch



The super delegates as a group will support the will of the voters
and their delegates. If Hillary doesn't do very well in Texas, Ohio,
and Pennsylvania, it is all over for her.

What is the original purpose of the super delegates. Why do they
exist? What problem(s) do they solve to justify their existence?

For the Democrat party, which wants to be called the Democratic
party, to use super delegates to select their nominee to the
Presidency is laughable due to it not being a democratic process.


Read a book, d.f., and become enlightened.

I really do not understand why an educated man such as yourself Harry
puts up with this den of idiocy and stupidity?


Well, you never know in real life when you are going to encounter an
idiot like you. Reading an occasional post from you helps prepare me for
dealing with the mindless.