----- Original Message -----
From: "HK"
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:03 AM
Subject: Hillay bites the dust



Yet another reason why I prefer *closed* primaries and secret ballot
voting, as opposed to open primaries, which encourage crossovers, and
caucuses, which encourage group vote, not secret ballot vote.


Yet, you are a fan of "brokered" conventions?

Eisboch

P.S. I hit the stupid "Reply" button again instead of the "Reply Group".
Please ignore the email.
Sorry about that.

Eisboch wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "HK"
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:03 AM
Subject: Hillay bites the dust



Yet another reason why I prefer *closed* primaries and secret ballot
voting, as opposed to open primaries, which encourage crossovers, and
caucuses, which encourage group vote, not secret ballot vote.


Yet, you are a fan of "brokered" conventions?

Eisboch

P.S. I hit the stupid "Reply" button again instead of the "Reply Group".
Please ignore the email.
Sorry about that.





I like the rough and tumble of tight primary races and conventions in
which delegates make a difference, and have to vote many times in order
to select a delegate. A good convention is like a microcosm of the House
of Representatives, with the delegates elected by the people back home
working for consensus. It's not the same animal as a caucus.

Today's conventions are just too antiseptic for my taste.

Oh, and despite what the pundits say, I believe Clinton and Obama will
be well-served by fighting for the nomination to the very end. Democrats
will be happy with either candidate.

"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "HK"
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:03 AM
Subject: Hillay bites the dust



Yet another reason why I prefer *closed* primaries and secret ballot
voting, as opposed to open primaries, which encourage crossovers, and
caucuses, which encourage group vote, not secret ballot vote.


Yet, you are a fan of "brokered" conventions?

Eisboch



I like the rough and tumble of tight primary races and conventions in
which delegates make a difference, and have to vote many times in order to
select a delegate. A good convention is like a microcosm of the House of
Representatives, with the delegates elected by the people back home
working for consensus. It's not the same animal as a caucus.

Today's conventions are just too antiseptic for my taste.


That's all fine, good and healthy if it weren't for the "Super Delegates"
who don't necessarily have the backing of the people back home. That's
where the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" deals are made.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "HK"
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:03 AM
Subject: Hillay bites the dust



Yet another reason why I prefer *closed* primaries and secret ballot
voting, as opposed to open primaries, which encourage crossovers, and
caucuses, which encourage group vote, not secret ballot vote.

Yet, you are a fan of "brokered" conventions?

Eisboch


I like the rough and tumble of tight primary races and conventions in
which delegates make a difference, and have to vote many times in order to
select a delegate. A good convention is like a microcosm of the House of
Representatives, with the delegates elected by the people back home
working for consensus. It's not the same animal as a caucus.

Today's conventions are just too antiseptic for my taste.


That's all fine, good and healthy if it weren't for the "Super Delegates"
who don't necessarily have the backing of the people back home. That's
where the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" deals are made.

Eisboch




The super delegates as a group will support the will of the voters and
their delegates. If Hillary doesn't do very well in Texas, Ohio, and
Pennsylvania, it is all over for her.

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:04:51 -0500, HK wrote:


The super delegates as a group will support the will of the voters and
their delegates. If Hillary doesn't do very well in Texas, Ohio, and
Pennsylvania, it is all over for her.

If that's the case, why does Hillary lead in Super Delegates (242-196),
but trail in pledged delegates?

wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:04:51 -0500, HK wrote:


The super delegates as a group will support the will of the voters and
their delegates. If Hillary doesn't do very well in Texas, Ohio, and
Pennsylvania, it is all over for her.

If that's the case, why does Hillary lead in Super Delegates (242-196),
but trail in pledged delegates?


That is now. The convention is then.

"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:04:51 -0500, HK wrote:


The super delegates as a group will support the will of the voters and
their delegates. If Hillary doesn't do very well in Texas, Ohio, and
Pennsylvania, it is all over for her.

If that's the case, why does Hillary lead in Super Delegates (242-196),
but trail in pledged delegates?


That is now. The convention is then.

And, to protect their rears, they are beginning to bail out on Hillary.

Eisboch

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "HK"
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:03 AM
Subject: Hillay bites the dust



Yet another reason why I prefer *closed* primaries and secret
ballot voting, as opposed to open primaries, which encourage
crossovers, and caucuses, which encourage group vote, not secret
ballot vote.

Yet, you are a fan of "brokered" conventions?

Eisboch


I like the rough and tumble of tight primary races and conventions in
which delegates make a difference, and have to vote many times in
order to select a delegate. A good convention is like a microcosm of
the House of Representatives, with the delegates elected by the
people back home working for consensus. It's not the same animal as a
caucus.

Today's conventions are just too antiseptic for my taste.


That's all fine, good and healthy if it weren't for the "Super
Delegates" who don't necessarily have the backing of the people back
home. That's where the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours"
deals are made.

Eisboch



The super delegates as a group will support the will of the voters and
their delegates. If Hillary doesn't do very well in Texas, Ohio, and
Pennsylvania, it is all over for her.

What is the original purpose of the super delegates. Why do they exist?
What problem(s) do they solve to justify their existence?

For the Democrat party, which wants to be called the Democratic party,
to use super delegates to select their nominee to the Presidency is
laughable due to it not being a democratic process.

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "HK"
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:03 AM
Subject: Hillay bites the dust



Yet another reason why I prefer *closed* primaries and secret
ballot voting, as opposed to open primaries, which encourage
crossovers, and caucuses, which encourage group vote, not secret
ballot vote.

Yet, you are a fan of "brokered" conventions?

Eisboch


I like the rough and tumble of tight primary races and conventions
in which delegates make a difference, and have to vote many times in
order to select a delegate. A good convention is like a microcosm of
the House of Representatives, with the delegates elected by the
people back home working for consensus. It's not the same animal as
a caucus.

Today's conventions are just too antiseptic for my taste.


That's all fine, good and healthy if it weren't for the "Super
Delegates" who don't necessarily have the backing of the people back
home. That's where the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours"
deals are made.

Eisboch



The super delegates as a group will support the will of the voters and
their delegates. If Hillary doesn't do very well in Texas, Ohio, and
Pennsylvania, it is all over for her.

What is the original purpose of the super delegates. Why do they exist?
What problem(s) do they solve to justify their existence?

For the Democrat party, which wants to be called the Democratic party,
to use super delegates to select their nominee to the Presidency is
laughable due to it not being a democratic process.


Read a book, d.f., and become enlightened.

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "HK"
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:03 AM
Subject: Hillay bites the dust



Yet another reason why I prefer *closed* primaries and secret
ballot voting, as opposed to open primaries, which encourage
crossovers, and caucuses, which encourage group vote, not secret
ballot vote.

Yet, you are a fan of "brokered" conventions?

Eisboch


I like the rough and tumble of tight primary races and conventions
in which delegates make a difference, and have to vote many times
in order to select a delegate. A good convention is like a
microcosm of the House of Representatives, with the delegates
elected by the people back home working for consensus. It's not the
same animal as a caucus.

Today's conventions are just too antiseptic for my taste.


That's all fine, good and healthy if it weren't for the "Super
Delegates" who don't necessarily have the backing of the people back
home. That's where the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours"
deals are made.

Eisboch



The super delegates as a group will support the will of the voters
and their delegates. If Hillary doesn't do very well in Texas, Ohio,
and Pennsylvania, it is all over for her.

What is the original purpose of the super delegates. Why do they
exist? What problem(s) do they solve to justify their existence?

For the Democrat party, which wants to be called the Democratic party,
to use super delegates to select their nominee to the Presidency is
laughable due to it not being a democratic process.


Read a book, d.f., and become enlightened.

I really do not understand why an educated man such as yourself Harry
puts up with this den of idiocy and stupidity? Wouldn't it suite your
stature and place to go to group more worthy of your intellect,
intelligence and general presence?

I will assume that since you will not answer the question about super
delegates it is due to the fact that the DNC wants to make sure that the
leadership of the party controls the nominating process. Great way to
get the nominee to accede to the will of the party leadership rather
than the will of the people. Democratic Party? You have got to be kidding.