The power supply done blowed up...
 

Crap - the PS went on the main computer.

I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.

F'in PCs.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Crap - the PS went on the main computer.

I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.

F'in PCs.


You need to retain me to build you a computer that performs and doesn't
blow up. I promise not to incorporate *any* ETEC parts. I'll put on a
legit copy of XP Pro if you like.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

Really. Macs are sorta like boats when it comes to buying parts. Whereas
pcs parts are dirt cheap.

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:

Crap - the PS went on the main computer.

I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.

F'in PCs.

Power supplies on Macs go bad too... And they cost (I am NOT kidding) 20
times
as much to replace.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Crap - the PS went on the main computer.
|
|I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.
|
|F'in PCs.

Lemme guess...... an E-machine....


You think he spent that much? :-)

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:47:36 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Crap - the PS went on the main computer.
|
|I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.
|
|F'in PCs.

Lemme guess...... an E-machine....

Please - built by me.

I called my brother who has several and he said he goes through one or
two a month.

This one was a 500 watt PS, but it's cheap - I just took it apart -
all potted, nothing fused, etc.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:47:36 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Crap - the PS went on the main computer.
|
|I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.
|
|F'in PCs.

Lemme guess...... an E-machine....
Please - built by me.

Don't blame the fact that it is a PC. Blame it on the PS you purchased.


I called my brother who has several and he said he goes through one or
two a month.

I would not listen to any advice from your brother anymore.


This one was a 500 watt PS, but it's cheap - I just took it apart -
all potted, nothing fused, etc.


And that is the fault of the PC............or you for purchasing a cheap ass
PS? ;-)




I wonder if it sez ETEC on the side?

The power supply done blowed up...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:47:36 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Crap - the PS went on the main computer.
|
|I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.
|
|F'in PCs.

Lemme guess...... an E-machine....

Please - built by me.

I called my brother who has several and he said he goes through one or
two a month.

This one was a 500 watt PS, but it's cheap - I just took it apart -
all potted, nothing fused, etc.


Educated guess, an electrolytic capacitor failed.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Feb 12, 4:49*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Crap - the PS went on the main computer.

I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.

F'in PCs.

That's what you get for plugging it into the same socket as the
intergalactic time/pizza relocater.

Frekin' Ronco relocaters...hurmph..

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:13:26 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:47:36 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Crap - the PS went on the main computer.
|
|I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.
|
|F'in PCs.

Lemme guess...... an E-machine....

Please - built by me.

I called my brother who has several and he said he goes through one or
two a month.

This one was a 500 watt PS, but it's cheap - I just took it apart -
all potted, nothing fused, etc.

Educated guess, an electrolytic capacitor failed.

Probably. The machine boots fine, but only lasts for five minutes
then goes stone cold dead.

I took the PS apart - everything potted which I suppose I should have
suspected so you can't really tell if anything is cooked by looking. I
hooked it up to AC and tested the loads - crapped out in less than
five minutes. Held the loads fine up to failure though. Interesting.

So the chore for tomorrow is get a new power supply.

I talked to my brother tonight about it - he's got 800 or so PCs under
his umbrella at the health centers he supports. He said that over the
past three years or so, he's noticing more and more power supply's
just crapping out. He stocks them now that money is tighter - can't
just pull out the goodies and buy a new computer like he used to. He
also used to spec out 500 watt supplies - now he specs out 750 to slow
the rate of attrition down.

Based on what I see with this bad one, he's right.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:08:17 -0500, HK wrote:

I wonder if it sez ETEC on the side?

Strangely enough, it's an Allied supply - a divison of Yamaha.

Figures.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:39:35 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 12, 4:49*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Crap - the PS went on the main computer.

I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.

F'in PCs.

That's what you get for plugging it into the same socket as the
intergalactic time/pizza relocater.

Frekin' Ronco relocaters...hurmph..

If it was a Ronco, it would have worked.

This relocater was a Yamaha.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:47:36 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Crap - the PS went on the main computer.
|
|I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.
|
|F'in PCs.

Lemme guess...... an E-machine....
Please - built by me.
Don't blame the fact that it is a PC. Blame it on the PS you purchased.


I called my brother who has several and he said he goes through one or
two a month.
I would not listen to any advice from your brother anymore.


This one was a 500 watt PS, but it's cheap - I just took it apart -
all potted, nothing fused, etc.

And that is the fault of the PC............or you for purchasing a cheap
ass PS? ;-)

I wonder if it sez ETEC on the side?

I was watching an episode of Cops on truTV tonight only to see a commercial
for Evinrude E-Tec's in between the wife beating and drug stabbing shots.
What next? Advertising during the Judge Judy show?





Obviously, ETEC is trying to appeal to wife-beating drug stabbing shooters.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Feb 12, 7:44*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...





JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:47:36 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Crap - the PS went on the main computer.
|
|I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.
|
|F'in PCs.

Lemme guess...... an E-machine....
Please - built by me.

Don't blame the fact that it is a PC. *Blame it on the PS you purchased.

I called my brother who has several and he said he goes through one or
two a month.

I would not listen to any advice from your brother anymore.

This one was a 500 watt PS, but it's cheap - I just took it apart -
all potted, nothing fused, etc.

And that is the fault of the PC............or you for purchasing a cheap
ass PS? *;-)

I wonder if it sez *ETEC on the side?

I was watching an episode of Cops on truTV tonight only to see a commercial
for Evinrude E-Tec's in between the wife beating and drug stabbing shots.
What next? *Advertising during the Judge Judy show?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well I was talking to my bud today and mentioned E-Tec, he went off on
how much everyone he talks to loves them. Little pricy, but everyone
he talks to loves them. He is a road sales rep for the largest repack
and repair outfit on the east coast and sees literally hundreds of
real boaters at marinas and marine hardware outlets all over his tri-
state sales area... But I guess the mag editors and news group dieties
probably know better than those off shore fishermen and commercial
pilots;)

The power supply done blowed up...
 

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Feb 12, 8:00*pm, "JimH" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Feb 12, 7:44 pm, "JimH" wrote:





"HK" wrote in message

...

JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:47:36 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Crap - the PS went on the main computer.
|
|I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.
|
|F'in PCs.

Lemme guess...... an E-machine....
Please - built by me.

Don't blame the fact that it is a PC. Blame it on the PS you purchased.

I called my brother who has several and he said he goes through one or
two a month.

I would not listen to any advice from your brother anymore.

This one was a 500 watt PS, but it's cheap - I just took it apart -
all potted, nothing fused, etc.

And that is the fault of the PC............or you for purchasing a
cheap
ass PS? ;-)

I wonder if it sez ETEC on the side?

I was watching an episode of Cops on truTV tonight only to see a
commercial
for Evinrude E-Tec's in between the wife beating and drug stabbing shots..
What next? Advertising during the Judge Judy show?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well I was talking to my bud today and mentioned E-Tec, he went off on
how much everyone he talks to loves them. Little pricy, but everyone
he talks to loves them. He is a road sales rep for the largest repack
and repair outfit on the east coast and sees literally hundreds of
real boaters at marinas and marine hardware outlets all over his tri-
state sales area... But I guess the mag editors and news group dieties
probably know better than those off shore fishermen and commercial
pilots;)

=============

Hey, no need to get your shorts in a knot defending Tom. *I am not slamming
them although I wonder what their fate is when all 2 strokes are banned.

So don't shoot the messenger.........I just found it strange that they would
be advertising on Cops. *Why not during I Love Lucy reruns? *;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I was not aiming my post at you, I was just sayin'...

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Feb 12, 8:02*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:44 pm, "JimH" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...

JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:47:36 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|Crap - the PS went on the main computer.
|
|I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.
|
|F'in PCs.
Lemme guess...... an E-machine....
Please - built by me.
Don't blame the fact that it is a PC. *Blame it on the PS you purchased.
I called my brother who has several and he said he goes through one or
two a month.
I would not listen to any advice from your brother anymore.
This one was a 500 watt PS, but it's cheap - I just took it apart -
all potted, nothing fused, etc.
And that is the fault of the PC............or you for purchasing a cheap
ass PS? *;-)
I wonder if it sez *ETEC on the side?
I was watching an episode of Cops on truTV tonight only to see a commercial
for Evinrude E-Tec's in between the wife beating and drug stabbing shots.
What next? *Advertising during the Judge Judy show?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well I was talking to my bud today and mentioned E-Tec, he went off on
how much everyone he talks to loves them. Little pricy, but everyone
he talks to loves them. He is a road sales rep for the largest repack
and repair outfit on the east coast and sees literally hundreds of
real boaters at marinas and marine hardware outlets all over his tri-
state sales area... But I guess the mag editors and news group dieties
probably know better than those off shore fishermen and commercial
pilots;)

Yeah, there are *two* ETECs in the mostly outboard boat fisherman's
marina I use. One is on a cop boat that hardly ever goes out, and the
other is on a boat I have seen running once.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The boaters Jimi deals with go outside the mouth of the river...

The power supply done blowed up...
 

The power supply done blowed up...
 

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:44 pm, "JimH" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...





JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:47:36 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|Crap - the PS went on the main computer.
|
|I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.
|
|F'in PCs.
Lemme guess...... an E-machine....
Please - built by me.
Don't blame the fact that it is a PC. Blame it on the PS you
purchased.
I called my brother who has several and he said he goes through
one or
two a month.
I would not listen to any advice from your brother anymore.
This one was a 500 watt PS, but it's cheap - I just took it apart -
all potted, nothing fused, etc.
And that is the fault of the PC............or you for purchasing a
cheap
ass PS? ;-)
I wonder if it sez ETEC on the side?
I was watching an episode of Cops on truTV tonight only to see a
commercial
for Evinrude E-Tec's in between the wife beating and drug stabbing
shots.
What next? Advertising during the Judge Judy show?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well I was talking to my bud today and mentioned E-Tec, he went off on
how much everyone he talks to loves them. Little pricy, but everyone
he talks to loves them. He is a road sales rep for the largest repack
and repair outfit on the east coast and sees literally hundreds of
real boaters at marinas and marine hardware outlets all over his tri-
state sales area... But I guess the mag editors and news group dieties
probably know better than those off shore fishermen and commercial
pilots;)


Yeah, there are *two* ETECs in the mostly outboard boat fisherman's
marina I use. One is on a cop boat that hardly ever goes out, and the
other is on a boat I have seen running once.


Harry,
You actually have to go down to the water to see the boats. Very few
will run by in your living room.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:46:37 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I talked to my brother tonight about it - he's got 800 or so PCs under
his umbrella at the health centers he supports. He said that over the
past three years or so, he's noticing more and more power supply's just
crapping out. He stocks them now that money is tighter - can't just
pull out the goodies and buy a new computer like he used to. He also
used to spec out 500 watt supplies - now he specs out 750 to slow the
rate of attrition down.

Not all PSUs are created equal. Even the power ratings on some of the
cheaper units are suspect. Get yourself an Antec or comparable, and
forget about it.




Based on what I see with this bad one, he's right.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:33:41 -0000, wrote:

Not all PSUs are created equal. Even the power ratings on some of the
cheaper units are suspect. Get yourself an Antec or comparable, and
forget about it.

Yep - gonna go pick one up tomorrow.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

I have three fans inside my current desktop PC box, in addition to the CPU
fan, the power supply fan and the video card fan. Also, each of the two
hard drives in the box have their own fans. That's a total of eight fans -
damned thing ought to be able to levitate on its own.

My SATA drive box also has a fan.

I wonder about your point there, too...that all these fans are using
energy the computer's power supply has to provide. But what the hell...I
am just an English major.


Well, it depends. If the fans are running on the 120v line voltage, then
the computer's power supply is not affected by the load. But in the case of
USB powered devices, the load is on the computer's power supply.

Eisboch




Well, I never claimed to be an 'lektricety maven...None of the fans are
or seem to be connected to USB ports. The SATA box has lots of pretty
lights, too, and apparently they can be made to perform some sort of
light show. Gotta love the few remaining geeks at HP.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:38:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:13:26 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:47:36 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Crap - the PS went on the main computer.
|
|I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.
|
|F'in PCs.

Lemme guess...... an E-machine....

Please - built by me.

I called my brother who has several and he said he goes through one or
two a month.

This one was a 500 watt PS, but it's cheap - I just took it apart -
all potted, nothing fused, etc.

Educated guess, an electrolytic capacitor failed.

Probably. The machine boots fine, but only lasts for five minutes
then goes stone cold dead.

I took the PS apart - everything potted which I suppose I should have
suspected so you can't really tell if anything is cooked by looking. I
hooked it up to AC and tested the loads - crapped out in less than
five minutes. Held the loads fine up to failure though. Interesting.

So the chore for tomorrow is get a new power supply.

I talked to my brother tonight about it - he's got 800 or so PCs under
his umbrella at the health centers he supports. He said that over the
past three years or so, he's noticing more and more power supply's
just crapping out. He stocks them now that money is tighter - can't
just pull out the goodies and buy a new computer like he used to. He
also used to spec out 500 watt supplies - now he specs out 750 to slow
the rate of attrition down.

Based on what I see with this bad one, he's right.

You think it's because of people loading up their computers with USB powered
devices?

You know - that's a good point.

I saw a platform with two fans built into it the other day at Best Buy or
some store like that. You're supposed to place your laptop on it and the
fans in the platform are supposed to help cool the computer. But, it's USB
powered, so whatever energy is used by the two fans is provided by the
computer. Doesn't make sense.

Reverse entrophy. :)

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:50:48 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:53:58 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

This one was a 500 watt PS, but it's cheap - I just took it apart -
all potted, nothing fused, etc.

Does it have a low transom ?

Yep. And Yamaha fans.

Goes to show you. :)

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Feb 12, 4:54*pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Crap - the PS went on the main computer.

I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.

F'in PCs.

You need to retain me to build you a computer that performs and doesn't
blow up. I promise not to incorporate *any* ETEC parts. I'll put on a
legit copy of XP Pro if you like.

Harry, do you build the power supplies too?

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Feb 12, 8:01*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:fkf4r31aeo4uprrcvuqr3pu7gl0qorpvbm@4ax .com...

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:08:17 -0500, HK wrote:

I wonder if it sez *ETEC on the side?

Strangely enough, it's an Allied supply - a divison of Yamaha.

I doubt that. *But nice try.

Why do you doubt that, Jim?

The power supply done blowed up...
 

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:38:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I saw a platform with two fans built into it the other day at Best Buy or
some store like that. You're supposed to place your laptop on it and the
fans in the platform are supposed to help cool the computer. But, it's
USB
powered, so whatever energy is used by the two fans is provided by the
computer. Doesn't make sense.

USB is pulling power from the 5 volt rail and that is the biggest
supply in the system. Case fans are usually 12v but they don't really
pull that much power.
Back in the olden days the 5" disk drives were the power hog. Now it
is the CPU, memory and processor on the video card.

True enough, but watts are watts, regardless of which output of the power
supply they come from.
I just get a kick out of "cooling" the computer, using the computer's power
to run the fans. Sorta like running a window air conditioner in the middle
of your room, exhausting the warm air as it expels cool air.

Eisboch

The power supply done blowed up...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:13:26 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:47:36 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Crap - the PS went on the main computer.
|
|I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.
|
|F'in PCs.

Lemme guess...... an E-machine....
Please - built by me.

I called my brother who has several and he said he goes through one or
two a month.

This one was a 500 watt PS, but it's cheap - I just took it apart -
all potted, nothing fused, etc.
Educated guess, an electrolytic capacitor failed.
Probably. The machine boots fine, but only lasts for five minutes
then goes stone cold dead.

I took the PS apart - everything potted which I suppose I should have
suspected so you can't really tell if anything is cooked by looking. I
hooked it up to AC and tested the loads - crapped out in less than
five minutes. Held the loads fine up to failure though. Interesting.

So the chore for tomorrow is get a new power supply.

I talked to my brother tonight about it - he's got 800 or so PCs under
his umbrella at the health centers he supports. He said that over the
past three years or so, he's noticing more and more power supply's
just crapping out. He stocks them now that money is tighter - can't
just pull out the goodies and buy a new computer like he used to. He
also used to spec out 500 watt supplies - now he specs out 750 to slow
the rate of attrition down.

Based on what I see with this bad one, he's right.


You think it's because of people loading up their computers with USB
powered devices?
I saw a platform with two fans built into it the other day at Best Buy or
some store like that. You're supposed to place your laptop on it and the
fans in the platform are supposed to help cool the computer. But, it's
USB powered, so whatever energy is used by the two fans is provided by
the computer. Doesn't make sense.

Eisboch


I have three fans inside my current desktop PC box, in addition to the CPU
fan, the power supply fan and the video card fan. Also, each of the two
hard drives in the box have their own fans. That's a total of eight fans -
damned thing ought to be able to levitate on its own.

My SATA drive box also has a fan.

I wonder about your point there, too...that all these fans are using
energy the computer's power supply has to provide. But what the hell...I
am just an English major.

Interesting, all this talk of power supplies.
My son went out yesterday and bought a new 'quiet' power supply and an
insulated CPU case because he found his computer too noisy down in his
bedroom.
He installed both parts and claims the noise level has dropped noticeably.
I wondered if this insulated case would cause overheating inside the box but
he says he now has more cooling fans than before. I'll keep an eye on it.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:26:04 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


Interesting, all this talk of power supplies.
My son went out yesterday and bought a new 'quiet' power supply and an
insulated CPU case because he found his computer too noisy down in his
bedroom.
He installed both parts and claims the noise level has dropped noticeably.
I wondered if this insulated case would cause overheating inside the box but
he says he now has more cooling fans than before. I'll keep an eye on it.

The newer Intel CPUs run pretty cool. Big change in cooling recently.
More people going for quiet.

--Vic

The power supply done blowed up...
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:26:04 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

Interesting, all this talk of power supplies.
My son went out yesterday and bought a new 'quiet' power supply and an
insulated CPU case because he found his computer too noisy down in his
bedroom.
He installed both parts and claims the noise level has dropped noticeably.
I wondered if this insulated case would cause overheating inside the box but
he says he now has more cooling fans than before. I'll keep an eye on it.

The newer Intel CPUs run pretty cool. Big change in cooling recently.
More people going for quiet.

--Vic


My desktop box is under my desk and despite all the fans, is pretty
quiet. My server box is in a cabinet now. I keep the door to that
cabinet open when the server is running, just to ensure lots of air
flow, but it, too, is very quiet.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:36:56 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:


The newer Intel CPUs run pretty cool. Big change in cooling recently.
More people going for quiet.

--Vic

Quiet is nice. It's funny, after all the years damaging my hearing, loud
music, heavy equipment, etc., now I like quiet.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:13:26 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:47:36 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Crap - the PS went on the main computer.
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|I'm telling you, the next computer is going to be a Mac.
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|F'in PCs.

Lemme guess...... an E-machine....
Please - built by me.

I called my brother who has several and he said he goes through one
or
two a month.

This one was a 500 watt PS, but it's cheap - I just took it apart -
all potted, nothing fused, etc.
Educated guess, an electrolytic capacitor failed.
Probably. The machine boots fine, but only lasts for five minutes
then goes stone cold dead.

I took the PS apart - everything potted which I suppose I should have
suspected so you can't really tell if anything is cooked by looking. I
hooked it up to AC and tested the loads - crapped out in less than
five minutes. Held the loads fine up to failure though. Interesting.

So the chore for tomorrow is get a new power supply.

I talked to my brother tonight about it - he's got 800 or so PCs under
his umbrella at the health centers he supports. He said that over the
past three years or so, he's noticing more and more power supply's
just crapping out. He stocks them now that money is tighter - can't
just pull out the goodies and buy a new computer like he used to. He
also used to spec out 500 watt supplies - now he specs out 750 to slow
the rate of attrition down.

Based on what I see with this bad one, he's right.


You think it's because of people loading up their computers with USB
powered devices?
I saw a platform with two fans built into it the other day at Best Buy
or some store like that. You're supposed to place your laptop on it and
the fans in the platform are supposed to help cool the computer. But,
it's USB powered, so whatever energy is used by the two fans is provided
by the computer. Doesn't make sense.

Eisboch


I have three fans inside my current desktop PC box, in addition to the
CPU fan, the power supply fan and the video card fan. Also, each of the
two hard drives in the box have their own fans. That's a total of eight
fans - damned thing ought to be able to levitate on its own.

My SATA drive box also has a fan.

I wonder about your point there, too...that all these fans are using
energy the computer's power supply has to provide. But what the hell...I
am just an English major.

Interesting, all this talk of power supplies.
My son went out yesterday and bought a new 'quiet' power supply and an
insulated CPU case because he found his computer too noisy down in his
bedroom.
He installed both parts and claims the noise level has dropped noticeably.
I wondered if this insulated case would cause overheating inside the box
but he says he now has more cooling fans than before. I'll keep an eye
on it.

There are utilities available to monitor case ambient and CPU temperatures.
You may want to try this one:

http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...-Monitor.shtml

The power supply done blowed up...
 

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:35:31 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I just get a kick out of "cooling" the computer, using the computer's
power
to run the fans. Sorta like running a window air conditioner in the
middle
of your room, exhausting the warm air as it expels cool air.

The only way that would be a valid analogy is if the case was sealed
and did not exhaust the hot air. In reality a fan moves a lot more
heat than it generates. They use low vontage fans to make listing a
lot easier. U/L (and other NRTLs) scrutinizes line voltage a lot
closer than it does low voltage from current limited supplies. You
would also have the problem of PCs being sold around the globe with
all the different voltages available. A PC supply has a fairly "wide
mouth" running on virtually anything from 100 volts to 250 volts, 50
or 60hz.


That's true. I studied it for a while because this laptop (HP Pavillion)
has always run "hot" although it has three fans in it. I am sure the
insides are good and dusty after 3+ years of almost constantly being "on".
Maybe I'll try one.

Eisboch

The power supply done blowed up...
 

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:59:59 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Does it have a low transom ?

Yep. And Yamaha fans.

Goes to show you. :)



Dangerous.

The power supply done blowed up...
 

"JG2U" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:35:31 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:38:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I saw a platform with two fans built into it the other day at Best Buy
or
some store like that. You're supposed to place your laptop on it and
the
fans in the platform are supposed to help cool the computer. But, it's
USB
powered, so whatever energy is used by the two fans is provided by the
computer. Doesn't make sense.

USB is pulling power from the 5 volt rail and that is the biggest
supply in the system. Case fans are usually 12v but they don't really
pull that much power.
Back in the olden days the 5" disk drives were the power hog. Now it
is the CPU, memory and processor on the video card.

True enough, but watts are watts, regardless of which output of the power
supply they come from.

Don't forget that P=ExI, where
P=power
E=voltage
I=current

Since bus powered USB devices are typically limited to about 400mA
(0.4A), that's only 2 watts. Insignificant compared to the typical
capabilities of a PC power supply.

A USB printer uses no power from the USB port. A USB card reader is
typically bus powered.

Well! Just goes to show how little I know about computers. I'll stick to
audio amps.

Eisboch