Curtis CCR wrote:
On Feb 11, 10:48 am, "JimH" wrote:

Hybrids are those who want to *feel good* and proclaim to the world that
they own one and are doing their part in conserving energy.........as you
just did...as you will not likely recoup any savings in the long run by
owning one.

The price of cars like the Prius are becoming more competitive. The
chef at my daughter's school just purchased an 08 for a few bucks less
than I paid for my 06.

I liked to know what school you daughter goes to. We only had lunchroom
ladies, no chef's allowed.

On Feb 11, 5:12*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
Curtis CCR wrote:
On Feb 11, 10:48 am, "JimH" wrote:

Hybrids are those who want to *feel good* and proclaim to the world that
they own one and are doing their part in conserving energy.........as you
just did...as you will not likely recoup any savings in the long run by
owning one.

The price of cars like the Prius are becoming more competitive. *The
chef at my daughter's school just purchased an 08 for a few bucks less
than I paid for my 06. *

I liked to know what school you daughter goes to. *We only had lunchroom
ladies, no chef's allowed.

Holy crap, the lunch line at my school used to be like that, although
I did like the food.. Anyway, now my kid has windows to go to, there
is usually a salad window, a pasta window, a sammich window, at times
a taco window, a pizza window, a gyro window, etc, and a desert and
fruit window.. Each window has several things to choose from.. most
pretty healthy when taken in the right combinations... it is frekin'
amazing..

wrote:
On Feb 11, 5:12 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
Curtis CCR wrote:
On Feb 11, 10:48 am, "JimH" wrote:
Hybrids are those who want to *feel good* and proclaim to the world that
they own one and are doing their part in conserving energy.........as you
just did...as you will not likely recoup any savings in the long run by
owning one.
The price of cars like the Prius are becoming more competitive. The
chef at my daughter's school just purchased an 08 for a few bucks less
than I paid for my 06.
I liked to know what school you daughter goes to. We only had lunchroom
ladies, no chef's allowed.

Holy crap, the lunch line at my school used to be like that, although
I did like the food.. Anyway, now my kid has windows to go to, there
is usually a salad window, a pasta window, a sammich window, at times
a taco window, a pizza window, a gyro window, etc, and a desert and
fruit window.. Each window has several things to choose from.. most
pretty healthy when taken in the right combinations... it is frekin'
amazing..



What, NO SUSHI !!!!!

On Feb 11, 2:26 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 11, 5:12 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
Curtis CCR wrote:
On Feb 11, 10:48 am, "JimH" wrote:
Hybrids are those who want to *feel good* and proclaim to the world that
they own one and are doing their part in conserving energy.........as you
just did...as you will not likely recoup any savings in the long run by
owning one.
The price of cars like the Prius are becoming more competitive. The
chef at my daughter's school just purchased an 08 for a few bucks less
than I paid for my 06.
I liked to know what school you daughter goes to. We only had lunchroom
ladies, no chef's allowed.

Holy crap, the lunch line at my school used to be like that, although
I did like the food.. Anyway, now my kid has windows to go to, there
is usually a salad window, a pasta window, a sammich window, at times
a taco window, a pizza window, a gyro window, etc, and a desert and
fruit window.. Each window has several things to choose from.. most
pretty healthy when taken in the right combinations... it is frekin'
amazing..

What, NO SUSHI !!!!!

Maybe in Berkeley - if they keep their government subsidies after
dissing the Marines! Excerpted from an oped piece at

"One earmark provides gourmet organic lunches to schools in the
Berkeley School District. While our Marines are making due with MREs
of Sloppy Joe and Chili with Beans, the organization Chez Panisse is
getting federal tax dollars to design meals that promote
"environmental harmony." Chez Panisse's menu features "Comté cheese
soufflé with mâche salad," "Meyer lemon éclairs with huckleberry
coulis" and "Chicory salad with creamy anchovy vinaigrette and olive
toast."

"Are we to understand that the city that has been home to many of the
country's most rich and famous cannot afford to pay for its own
designer school lunches?"

The guy at my daughter's Montessori school (here is Sacramento) is a
trained chef. He works at a restaurant too. Cooks just cook, the chef
creates menus and recipes. Granted this is a little kids school - His
job is to make the pizza as healthy as possible, etc. They have a
"cook" that schleps the food around to the classrooms and measures out
the pretzels.

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On Feb 11, 1:48 pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Feb 9, 9:35?am, Jim wrote:





ellis gibb wrote:
Utilizing the latest in advanced technology, hybrid cars might just
provide a glimpse into the future of automobiles. Hybrid cars sport
sleek and futuristic looks, but these cars aren't just for show. These
scientific marvels make use of both electric and gas power to make for
a cleaner, more cost efficient, and environmentally friendlier car.
As the world's supply of oil inevitably runs out and the prices of
gasoline continue to skyrocket to staggering new heights, more and
more people have begun to look for an alternative way to power their
cars, as well as to save some money. Thankfully, the rise of hybrid
cars are providing a much needed solution to these problems and more.
The popularity of hybrid cars continue to grow as more people begin to
realize the many advantages that hybrid cars hold over conventional
ones.
So, what is a hybrid car and how does it work?
As the name suggests, hybrid cars utilizes a combination of different
technologies. Hybrid cars use an electric propulsion system together
with of a gas propulsion system to great effect....
http://groups.google.com/group/waterforfueld
I dented my new Honda. backed into a short post at 2 mph. ?$3000 in
damages. ?"Bumper" and tail light assembly. ?$655 in parts, the rest in
? labor. ?But i digress . . .
I got a Toyota Pruis for a loan car. ?I hadn't considered a hybrid when
I bought my car. ?I would not consider anything else now.
What a wonderful car.
Wikipedia has a great article, well worth the
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We've had a Lexus 400H for two years now.

Spectacular technology, but most of the benefit from a fuel economy
standpoint is realized around town. (Where my wide does most of her
driving, so that's OK). The unappreciated upside; when you hit the
throttle hard the thing runs like a raped ape. Much, much, better
acceleration than the standard V6 (which we test drove in the
Highlander package).

Real life economy is probably about 8 mpg better than straight gas in
town and 4-5 better than straight gas on the highway. We usually
achieve about 24 mpg real life average, with most of that in stop and
start city traffic. Not bad for a medium size, comfortable vehicle.
===========================

Hybrids are those who want to *feel good* and proclaim to the world that
they own one and are doing their part in conserving energy.........as you
just did...as you will not likely recoup any savings in the long run by
owning one.

It is my understanding that research on those vehicles has shown that their
production results in far more energy use than the production of standard
vehicles.

Your understanding is bull**** then.


What is the cost of producing a hybrid's battery?

Curtis CCR wrote:
It is my understanding that research on those vehicles has shown that their
production results in far more energy use than the production of standard
vehicles.

You must be referring to that silly article that circulated last year
saying that Hummers were more eco friendly and the real cost of a
Prius, over its lifespan, was something like $300,000. It was BS.

Where do the chemicals that comprise the battery cells some from and how
do they get into the battery cell? What is the effect, cost, of the
mining of the component chemicals? What is the effect, cost, of the
materials used and needing disposal during the battery manufacturing
process?

I am not saying that people shouldn't drive Hummers - I am a Prius
owner that also drives a American made "crossover vehicle" that
typically gets less than 20mpg. You want to drive a Hummer? Fine
with me! I can't tow a boat with my Prius.

What is the cost of a new battery pack for your Prius?

On Feb 11, 4:49 pm, BAR wrote:
Curtis CCR wrote:
It is my understanding that research on those vehicles has shown that their
production results in far more energy use than the production of standard
vehicles.

You must be referring to that silly article that circulated last year
saying that Hummers were more eco friendly and the real cost of a
Prius, over its lifespan, was something like $300,000. It was BS.

Where do the chemicals that comprise the battery cells some from and how
do they get into the battery cell? What is the effect, cost, of the
mining of the component chemicals? What is the effect, cost, of the
materials used and needing disposal during the battery manufacturing
process?

I don't know, but batteries are recyclable. There are NiMH batteries,
the kind that have been used in portable electronics devices for
years. Likewise NiCad has been around for decades and are used in
large applications. I want to know who is paying the $300,000 in
total cost for my Prius. I'd like to thank them.



I am not saying that people shouldn't drive Hummers - I am a Prius
owner that also drives a American made "crossover vehicle" that
typically gets less than 20mpg. You want to drive a Hummer? Fine
with me! I can't tow a boat with my Prius.

What is the cost of a new battery pack for your Prius?

I honestly don't know. There are 20something individual cells that
make of the battery string and I have never heard of anyone having to
replace them all. Since in CA they are warranted for 150,000 miles it
is not a common customer paid repair.

On Feb 11, 2:04�pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is

JimH's real problem is that Chuck drives a Lexus, he is jealous of
other's success.

Actually, Chuck's *wife* drives the Lexus. :-)

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 11, 2:04�pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
JimH's real problem is that Chuck drives a Lexus, he is jealous of
other's success.

Actually, Chuck's *wife* drives the Lexus. :-)





Well then if I was you, I would be jealous of my wife's Lexus.

Curtis CCR wrote:
On Feb 11, 4:49 pm, BAR wrote:
Curtis CCR wrote:
It is my understanding that research on those vehicles has shown that their
production results in far more energy use than the production of standard
vehicles.
You must be referring to that silly article that circulated last year
saying that Hummers were more eco friendly and the real cost of a
Prius, over its lifespan, was something like $300,000. It was BS.
Where do the chemicals that comprise the battery cells some from and how
do they get into the battery cell? What is the effect, cost, of the
mining of the component chemicals? What is the effect, cost, of the
materials used and needing disposal during the battery manufacturing
process?

I don't know, but batteries are recyclable. There are NiMH batteries,
the kind that have been used in portable electronics devices for
years. Likewise NiCad has been around for decades and are used in
large applications. I want to know who is paying the $300,000 in
total cost for my Prius. I'd like to thank them.

What is the cost to recover the metals and chemicals in the NiMH and
LION batteries? The wife and I were watching a show on the history
channel last night and she was furiously writing down the names of
companys that did the metal polishing and metals reclamation. She said
that she had recently given 250 cells to an recycler and that there was
about $200K of platinum that could have been reclaimed. I asked her how
much they charge to reclaim the platinum and she replied that they would
see about $40K back. So, it is possible to reclaim the metals. And, the
chemicals are all but worn out by the time the cells are sent out for
recycling.

Your kids and grandkids would like to have the $300K for some other things.

I am not saying that people shouldn't drive Hummers - I am a Prius
owner that also drives a American made "crossover vehicle" that
typically gets less than 20mpg. You want to drive a Hummer? Fine
with me! I can't tow a boat with my Prius.
What is the cost of a new battery pack for your Prius?

I honestly don't know. There are 20something individual cells that
make of the battery string and I have never heard of anyone having to
replace them all. Since in CA they are warranted for 150,000 miles it
is not a common customer paid repair.

Does the warranty transfer from the original owners to the second
owners? If not the resale value is about zero.