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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Chuck Gould wrote: On Jan 30, 8:47 am, HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jan 30, 6:42?am, "JimH" wrote: Gee, I wonder why ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and CNBC are trying their hardest to make sure we dump into a recession. ? Bad news outsells good news. Some might think, "They're trying to throw the election to the D's!" I disagree. They just want to create enough uncertainty in the market that more folks will tune in every day to "see how bad things are getting", thereby increasing ratings and creating some justification for raising ad rates. Also, the companies that survive economic downturn often do so by *increasing* their advertising, particularly for consumer goods. You can't be serious. Either that, or you are totally disconnected from the harsh reality facing many millions of your fellow citizens who are jobless, homeless, losing their homes, health-insurance-less, and without much hope for the future. How are social services doing in Seattle these days? Still pretty miserable for those in need?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - About 1-2% of the homes in the US are in, or at risk of, foreclosure. Yet it's headline news in every paper and the subject of "specials" on radio and TV. In some of the worst hit communities, the number is as high as 5%, meaning that 950 out of every 1000 households in those worst hit communities have no reason to fear losing their home to the bank or mortgage company. The health insurance issue has nothing to do with economic cycling. We have had a broken health services delivery model in the country for at least 30 years. We have had booms and busts along the way, despite the fact that our health insurance system is designed first to make corporations wealthy, and only then to see about making people well. There are somewhere between 30 and 40 million Americans living in poverty. Sleep tight. What is your definition of poverty because my daughter may meet that threshold yet she is doing fine. How many times do you see folks paying for food with food stamps while they wear all sorts of expensive bling and are talking on their cell phone. I am not saying that there are not needy people........I am saying some folks take advantage of the system. Jim, there is all manner of anecdotal information available, including, I am sure, stats on the number of poor people on food stamps who are standing in line in front of you at the supermarket and using a cell phone. For all you know, they have no household phone and scraped to buy one of those "prepaid" cells so they could stay in contact with a few people. I take it you are retired or semi-retired now. So is my "conservative" father in law. He and his "liberal" wife, also now retired, spend virtually all their time helping the poor, and according to both, there is no end to them. They visit sick people in the hospital, set up and run soup kitchens, help rebuild houses in poverty stricken areas, counsel pregnant and single young girls and arrange decent care for them, et cetera. My father in law, a very bright guy who worked his entire career for a major corporation and retired as a significant executive, says, "I had no idea there were so many needy people in this land of opportunity." His exact words. Yes, as you say, there are some who "game" the system. But there are tens of millions of poor folks who do not. |
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On Jan 30, 10:35�am, HK wrote:
There are somewhere between 30 and 40 million Americans living in poverty. Sleep tight.- Imagining that the results of a Tweedle Dee vs. Tweedle Dum election will materially reduce poverty may be the ultimate copout. Your party is as impotent and corrupt as the party you oppose, to put it bluntly. There are some problems that government cannot solve, and poverty is on that list. Some of the communist and socialist governments originally organized to eliminate poverty only succeeded in fostering record amounts of it. The Republicans can't fix it. The Democrats can't fix it. The Communists and Socialists can't fix it. As a society we *can* fix it, but not through government action. Therefore the party in power at any given moment is a fairly meaningless factor when considering the problem of poverty. I always do. |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 30, 10:35�am, HK wrote: There are somewhere between 30 and 40 million Americans living in poverty. Sleep tight.- Imagining that the results of a Tweedle Dee vs. Tweedle Dum election will materially reduce poverty may be the ultimate copout. Your party is as impotent and corrupt as the party you oppose, to put it bluntly. There are some problems that government cannot solve, and poverty is on that list. Some of the communist and socialist governments originally organized to eliminate poverty only succeeded in fostering record amounts of it. The Republicans can't fix it. The Democrats can't fix it. The Communists and Socialists can't fix it. As a society we *can* fix it, but not through government action. Therefore the party in power at any given moment is a fairly meaningless factor when considering the problem of poverty. I always do. I see. So...let's give up! |
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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Chuck Gould wrote: On Jan 30, 8:47 am, HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jan 30, 6:42?am, "JimH" wrote: Gee, I wonder why ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and CNBC are trying their hardest to make sure we dump into a recession. ? Bad news outsells good news. Some might think, "They're trying to throw the election to the D's!" I disagree. They just want to create enough uncertainty in the market that more folks will tune in every day to "see how bad things are getting", thereby increasing ratings and creating some justification for raising ad rates. Also, the companies that survive economic downturn often do so by *increasing* their advertising, particularly for consumer goods. You can't be serious. Either that, or you are totally disconnected from the harsh reality facing many millions of your fellow citizens who are jobless, homeless, losing their homes, health-insurance-less, and without much hope for the future. How are social services doing in Seattle these days? Still pretty miserable for those in need?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - About 1-2% of the homes in the US are in, or at risk of, foreclosure. Yet it's headline news in every paper and the subject of "specials" on radio and TV. In some of the worst hit communities, the number is as high as 5%, meaning that 950 out of every 1000 households in those worst hit communities have no reason to fear losing their home to the bank or mortgage company. The health insurance issue has nothing to do with economic cycling. We have had a broken health services delivery model in the country for at least 30 years. We have had booms and busts along the way, despite the fact that our health insurance system is designed first to make corporations wealthy, and only then to see about making people well. There are somewhere between 30 and 40 million Americans living in poverty. Sleep tight. What is your definition of poverty because my daughter may meet that threshold yet she is doing fine. How many times do you see folks paying for food with food stamps while they wear all sorts of expensive bling and are talking on their cell phone. I am not saying that there are not needy people........I am saying some folks take advantage of the system. Check that. The poverty level is $10k/year and under. My daughter makes far more than that working part time as a server at a sports bar while applying for and interviewing for a position matching her college degree. All folks have to do is get off their fat asses and work.........maybe even 2 jobs if that is what it takes to get out of poverty. Often times THEY made the decision to drop out of HS and not get an education. They alone are responsible for their predicament and can get out of it if they truly wanted to. Living off our taxes is far easier though. Yes, as you say, there are some who "game" the system. But there are tens of millions of poor folks who do not. ============================================ Tens of millions? Doubtful. And what stops most of them from working one or two jobs to get out of poverty? A lot of them do work one or two jobs, but they're still impoverished. -- George W. Bush - Worst President Ever, to the very last minute of the very last day of his term. |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... On Jan 30, 8:51?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:39:05 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: On Jan 30, 3:11?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:58:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: If this economic indicator is worth anything, the national news may be overstating the certainty of a recession, at least in the Pacific North Wet. I think the boats you are talking about are out of the range of your average Joe Six-Pack. Absolutely. I will do a little informal polling among some of my contacts selling aluminum fihsing boats, etc and see if the market is as strong in that sector. I'll be interesting comparing the results from Boston and Hartford to yours.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - In many ways, the Pacific North Wet is enjoying a bout of prosperity when compared to the rest of the country. Our governor just yesterday called for a $3-million apprenticeship program to train people for jobs in aircraft assembly. Boeing can't find enough qualified help, and the ripple effect from that is that wages are being driven up throughout the region. If we could turn off the national news, I think we'd probably have almost boom times in this particular region. I heard that Boeing has orders-a-plenty for that new Dreamliner. Thats good news as well. db |
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Jim wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jan 30, 9:50 am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:kqm0q3564msbfq657ci5gethlbjnej3gls@4ax .com... On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:58:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: If this economic indicator is worth anything, the national news may be overstating the certainty of a recession, at least in the Pacific North Wet. I think the boats you are talking about are out of the range of your average Joe Six-Pack. True dat but, maybe they won't have to lay off the guy/gal building the seat cushions in the galley. Maybe he/she can afford to buy that skiff....... since they won't be out looking for another job. Das good news indeed. db Indeed...;) And that is exactly the guy I am planning on putting back on the water, much to the shegrin of Harry and the other rich bottle boaters.;) See, now there is yet another example of your ignorance. *I* am the one here who has been railing against the "yachties," their overblown boats, their wasting of petrol, and the need for huge surtaxes on the amounts of fuel they burn. My yacht burns more or less 8 GPH at reasonable cruise. Any yacht that burns more than that Should be heavily taxed and fuel rationed. I'm with you Hairball. What yacht is that, JimmyBobBoy? I thought you played the banjo while sitting on the old refrigerator on your front porch. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Jim wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jan 30, 9:50 am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:kqm0q3564msbfq657ci5gethlbjnej3gls@4ax .com... On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:58:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: If this economic indicator is worth anything, the national news may be overstating the certainty of a recession, at least in the Pacific North Wet. I think the boats you are talking about are out of the range of your average Joe Six-Pack. True dat but, maybe they won't have to lay off the guy/gal building the seat cushions in the galley. Maybe he/she can afford to buy that skiff....... since they won't be out looking for another job. Das good news indeed. db Indeed...;) And that is exactly the guy I am planning on putting back on the water, much to the shegrin of Harry and the other rich bottle boaters.;) See, now there is yet another example of your ignorance. *I* am the one here who has been railing against the "yachties," their overblown boats, their wasting of petrol, and the need for huge surtaxes on the amounts of fuel they burn. My yacht burns more or less 8 GPH at reasonable cruise. Any yacht that burns more than that Should be heavily taxed and fuel rationed. I'm with you Hairball. What yacht is that, JimmyBobBoy? I thought you played the banjo while sitting on the old refrigerator on your front porch. Sorry Harry. You got me confused with the fella you saw down by the river when you were out playing shoot em up with your geriatric, mercinary wanna be, friends. |
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:15:32 -0500, HK wrote:
wrote: On Jan 30, 9:50 am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:kqm0q3564msbfq657ci5gethlbjnej3gls@4ax .com... On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:58:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: If this economic indicator is worth anything, the national news may be overstating the certainty of a recession, at least in the Pacific North Wet. I think the boats you are talking about are out of the range of your average Joe Six-Pack. True dat but, maybe they won't have to lay off the guy/gal building the seat cushions in the galley. Maybe he/she can afford to buy that skiff....... since they won't be out looking for another job. Das good news indeed. db Indeed...;) And that is exactly the guy I am planning on putting back on the water, much to the shegrin of Harry and the other rich bottle boaters.;) See, now there is yet another example of your ignorance. *I* am the one here who has been railing against the "yachties," their overblown boats, their wasting of petrol, and the need for huge surtaxes on the amounts of fuel they burn. Harry, there is nothing here you *haven't* railed at. It's what makes you so loveable...to some. -- John H |
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:16:56 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote: On Jan 30, 8:47*am, HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jan 30, 6:42?am, "JimH" wrote: Gee, I wonder why ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and CNBC are trying their hardest to make sure we dump into a recession. ? Bad news outsells good news. Some might think, "They're trying to throw the election to the D's!" I disagree. They just want to create enough uncertainty in the market that more folks will tune in every day to "see how bad things are getting", thereby increasing ratings and creating some justification for raising ad rates. Also, the companies that survive economic downturn often do so by *increasing* their advertising, particularly for consumer goods. You can't be serious. Either that, or you are totally disconnected from the harsh reality facing many millions of your fellow citizens who are jobless, homeless, losing their homes, health-insurance-less, and without much hope for the future. How are social services doing in Seattle these days? Still pretty miserable for those in need?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - About 1-2% of the homes in the US are in, or at risk of, foreclosure. Yet it's headline news in every paper and the subject of "specials" on radio and TV. In some of the worst hit communities, the number is as high as 5%, meaning that 950 out of every 1000 households in those worst hit communities have no reason to fear losing their home to the bank or mortgage company. The health insurance issue has nothing to do with economic cycling. We have had a broken health services delivery model in the country for at least 30 years. We have had booms and busts along the way, despite the fact that our health insurance system is designed first to make corporations wealthy, and only then to see about making people well. I don't really *get* joblessness, except in cases where people are physically unable to work. It's absolutely true that people may not be able to get work in a field where they prefer to work or where they have developed considerable (but possibly obsolete) expertise, but there is plenty of work available in other fields. When I opted to drop out of the educational system, many people remarked "You will never amount to anything in life without a college education!" I had the pleasure of hiring a few of them over the years to work for me. :-) Point being, accepting joblessness is accepting the role of "victim of circumstance", and that's a load of equine excrement. Most of us can determine, or at least materially influence, our circumstances. Homelessness; 30 years ago most of the chronically homeless would have been cared for in an institution. It's tragic that we leave these least able, very often mentally unstable, individuals to forage through garbage cans and sleep under cardboard boxes in the rain. There is no answer to all homelessness, but treating these addicts and alcoholics somewhere along the way would be less expensive than constantly sweeping up after the human train wrecks. If I am "disconnected" from folks who are jobless, homeless, and without hope it's because of choices I made along the way. Choices that were available to everybody else, by the way. No privilege in my background, at all. My heart (and no small amount of money as well as some volunteer time) goes out to relieve what suffering I can. As tragic as the situation may be for those on the most hopeless fringes of society- their situations are not typical nor should they define who and what we are as the American people. Very well said. Almost unbelievable. It shows an acceptance of personal responsibility that I'd thought pretty nonexistent in liberals. Of course, you're 'independent'. I'd forgotten. -- John H |
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