Speaking of evangelizing and proselytizing.....
 

A new law took effect in California this month.

All gasoline powered marine inboards sold in the state must be fitted
with a catalytic converter. I guess if these prove effective, we'll
all be converted to catalysism sooner or later. :-)

The major concern in the past has been the enormous amount of heat
that a catalytic converter requires in order to work. From what I
understand, the converters are mounted immediately behind the exhaust
manifold, and the cooling water is introduced into the exhaust line
after the converter has done its job.

Even so, at least some of the systems include a system that restricts
engine rpm to 2500 if the catalytic converter overheats. One
manufacturer has been quoted as "this slower speed will give the
boater several minutes to shut down before the increased heat begins
to melt nearby rubber hoses and belts."

Lovely......

Speaking of evangelizing and proselytizing.....
 

That means I'll be keeping my current boat for a long time.

We do all we can to "marinize" engines to keep possible ignition sources to
a minimum, then they put cats (that can get red hot) in the engine
compartment. Friggin' brilliant.

--Mike

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
A new law took effect in California this month.

All gasoline powered marine inboards sold in the state must be fitted
with a catalytic converter. I guess if these prove effective, we'll
all be converted to catalysism sooner or later. :-)

The major concern in the past has been the enormous amount of heat
that a catalytic converter requires in order to work. From what I
understand, the converters are mounted immediately behind the exhaust
manifold, and the cooling water is introduced into the exhaust line
after the converter has done its job.

Even so, at least some of the systems include a system that restricts
engine rpm to 2500 if the catalytic converter overheats. One
manufacturer has been quoted as "this slower speed will give the
boater several minutes to shut down before the increased heat begins
to melt nearby rubber hoses and belts."

Lovely......

Speaking of evangelizing and proselytizing.....
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
A new law took effect in California this month.

All gasoline powered marine inboards sold in the state must be fitted
with a catalytic converter. I guess if these prove effective, we'll
all be converted to catalysism sooner or later. :-)

The major concern in the past has been the enormous amount of heat
that a catalytic converter requires in order to work. From what I
understand, the converters are mounted immediately behind the exhaust
manifold, and the cooling water is introduced into the exhaust line
after the converter has done its job.

Even so, at least some of the systems include a system that restricts
engine rpm to 2500 if the catalytic converter overheats. One
manufacturer has been quoted as "this slower speed will give the
boater several minutes to shut down before the increased heat begins
to melt nearby rubber hoses and belts."

Lovely......

Where did you here this. I have not seen any mailings on it, or the local
boating boards. I think only one manufacturer has built a cat converter for
a boat.

Speaking of evangelizing and proselytizing.....
 

On Jan 15, 5:36�pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

...





A new law took effect in California this month.

All gasoline powered marine inboards sold in the state must be fitted
with a catalytic converter. I guess if these prove effective, we'll
all be converted to catalysism sooner or later. :-)

The major concern in the past has been the enormous amount of heat
that a catalytic converter requires in order to work. From what I
understand, the converters are mounted immediately behind the exhaust
manifold, and the cooling water is introduced into the exhaust line
after the converter has done its job.

Even so, at least some of the systems include a system that restricts
engine rpm to 2500 if the catalytic converter overheats. One
manufacturer has been quoted as "this slower speed will give the
boater several minutes to shut down before the increased heat begins
to melt nearby rubber hoses and belts."

Lovely......

Where did you here this. �I have not seen any mailings on it, or the local
boating boards. �I think only one manufacturer has built a cat converter for
a boat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Exhibit A: an email,

Hi Chuck,

It was nice talking with you at the Yacht Club on Weds. The article I
referred you to about California requirements for catalytic converter
requirements for gas engine boats wasn't in Yachting magazine. It was
on page 20 of the January issue of Sea magazine. It says the only
boats exempted are those in the distribution pipeline. I'm assuming
that only new boats are required to have cat. converters and that
there's more to it than this short article refers to. Let me know what
you find out.


Rick


Which prompted me to do some research and discover confirmation at the
Advantage Boats website:

Exhibit B:


I also want to take this opportunity to explain some changes taking
place in the recreational boating industry that will affect California
buyers of new boats beginning January 1, 2008. It isn't any surprise
that recreational boating has become more closely scrutinized by
governmental agencies regarding exhaust emissions control, and the
California Air Resources Board (CARB) has recently established new,
stricter regulations which will affect California new boat purchasers
next year. In preparation for that, here are some things all boat
owners should know.


The new CARB lower emissions standard on gasoline marine inboard /
stern drive engines only pertains to new boats purchased after January
1, 2008,not existing boats owned and registered prior to that date.


This new exhaust emission standard is only a California law and does
not affect any of the other 49 states.


The new California law only pertains to inboard engines of 500
horsepower or less (for example, Mercury Racing, Ilmor, Teague, etc.
high performance engines are not presently affected).


If you purchase a new boat from Advantage after January 1, 2008 and
plan to register that boat in California, it will be equipped with an
inboard engine that meets the new CARB emissions standard. Mercury
Marine and other engine manufacturers will be supplying boat builders
with California compliant engines (standard equipped with catalytic
converters).


If you wish to purchase a new boat from Advantage without a California
compliant engine (no catalytic converter), you must be prepared to
register that boat in any state other than California.


Undoubtedly this situation will create temporary confusion in the
marketplace. I bring this up now, especially for California resident
boaters in case they want to accelerate their purchase plans and beat
the January 1, 2008 deadline which allows them to buy and register the
standard (non-catalyzed) engine package in their state.

Speaking of evangelizing and proselytizing.....
 

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:45:23 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

Undoubtedly this situation will create temporary confusion in the
marketplace. I bring this up now, especially for California resident
boaters in case they want to accelerate their purchase plans and beat
the January 1, 2008 deadline which allows them to buy and register the
standard (non-catalyzed) engine package in their state.

I wonder if this will effect four stroke outboards?

Speaking of evangelizing and proselytizing.....
 

On Jan 15, 9:09*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:45:23 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
Undoubtedly this situation will create temporary confusion in the
marketplace. I bring this up now, especially for California resident
boaters in case they want to accelerate their purchase plans and beat
the January 1, 2008 deadline which allows them to buy and register the
standard (non-catalyzed) engine package in their state.

I wonder if this will effect four stroke outboards?

four stroke anyboad....

Speaking of evangelizing and proselytizing.....
 

I wonder if this will effect four stroke outboards?

I think that it only applies to inboards... I could be wrong though.

--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:45:23 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

Undoubtedly this situation will create temporary confusion in the
marketplace. I bring this up now, especially for California resident
boaters in case they want to accelerate their purchase plans and beat
the January 1, 2008 deadline which allows them to buy and register the
standard (non-catalyzed) engine package in their state.

I wonder if this will effect four stroke outboards?

Speaking of evangelizing and proselytizing.....
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


I wonder if this will effect four stroke outboards?


From Chuck's post:

"The new CARB lower emissions standard on gasoline marine inboard /
stern drive engines only pertains to new boats purchased after January
1, 2008,not existing boats owned and registered prior to that date."

Jeeze, don't give them any more ideas .....

Eisboch

Speaking of evangelizing and proselytizing.....
 

http://www.boatingmag.com/article.as...print_page =y

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
On Jan 15, 5:36?pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

...





A new law took effect in California this month.

All gasoline powered marine inboards sold in the state must be fitted
with a catalytic converter. I guess if these prove effective, we'll
all be converted to catalysism sooner or later. :-)

The major concern in the past has been the enormous amount of heat
that a catalytic converter requires in order to work. From what I
understand, the converters are mounted immediately behind the exhaust
manifold, and the cooling water is introduced into the exhaust line
after the converter has done its job.

Even so, at least some of the systems include a system that restricts
engine rpm to 2500 if the catalytic converter overheats. One
manufacturer has been quoted as "this slower speed will give the
boater several minutes to shut down before the increased heat begins
to melt nearby rubber hoses and belts."

Lovely......

Where did you here this. ?I have not seen any mailings on it, or the local
boating boards. ?I think only one manufacturer has built a cat converter
for
a boat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Exhibit A: an email,

Hi Chuck,

It was nice talking with you at the Yacht Club on Weds. The article I
referred you to about California requirements for catalytic converter
requirements for gas engine boats wasn't in Yachting magazine. It was
on page 20 of the January issue of Sea magazine. It says the only
boats exempted are those in the distribution pipeline. I'm assuming
that only new boats are required to have cat. converters and that
there's more to it than this short article refers to. Let me know what
you find out.


Rick


Which prompted me to do some research and discover confirmation at the
Advantage Boats website:

Exhibit B:


I also want to take this opportunity to explain some changes taking
place in the recreational boating industry that will affect California
buyers of new boats beginning January 1, 2008. It isn't any surprise
that recreational boating has become more closely scrutinized by
governmental agencies regarding exhaust emissions control, and the
California Air Resources Board (CARB) has recently established new,
stricter regulations which will affect California new boat purchasers
next year. In preparation for that, here are some things all boat
owners should know.


The new CARB lower emissions standard on gasoline marine inboard /
stern drive engines only pertains to new boats purchased after January
1, 2008,not existing boats owned and registered prior to that date.


This new exhaust emission standard is only a California law and does
not affect any of the other 49 states.


The new California law only pertains to inboard engines of 500
horsepower or less (for example, Mercury Racing, Ilmor, Teague, etc.
high performance engines are not presently affected).


If you purchase a new boat from Advantage after January 1, 2008 and
plan to register that boat in California, it will be equipped with an
inboard engine that meets the new CARB emissions standard. Mercury
Marine and other engine manufacturers will be supplying boat builders
with California compliant engines (standard equipped with catalytic
converters).


If you wish to purchase a new boat from Advantage without a California
compliant engine (no catalytic converter), you must be prepared to
register that boat in any state other than California.


Undoubtedly this situation will create temporary confusion in the
marketplace. I bring this up now, especially for California resident
boaters in case they want to accelerate their purchase plans and beat
the January 1, 2008 deadline which allows them to buy and register the
standard (non-catalyzed) engine package in their state.

Speaking of evangelizing and proselytizing.....
 

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:58:23 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .


I wonder if this will effect four stroke outboards?


From Chuck's post:

"The new CARB lower emissions standard on gasoline marine inboard /
stern drive engines only pertains to new boats purchased after January
1, 2008,not existing boats owned and registered prior to that date."

Jeeze, don't give them any more ideas .....

Good point.

Catalytic converters, (was Speaking of evangelizing andproselytizing....).
 

On Jan 15, 10:56�pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
http://www.boatingmag.com/article.asp?


Four stroke outboard fans will find the final paragraph of that
article extremely interesting.

Regulators love to target boats as significant contributors to air and
water pollution, when in reality that is more often not the case.
There are so few boaters that passing a law to "clean up boating"
doesn't cost anybody enough votes to matter, but the general public
(typically envious of the "rich snobs" who can afford a boat) wants to
see some sort of action taken to clean up the environment. Most
members of the general public would rather see that action taken
against somebody else. Boaters are a perfect target.

Average private automobile usage is said to be about 18,000 miles per
year. Assuming that there is a mixture of freeway driving and time
spent
creeping through traffic jams factored into that total it might be
reasonable to guess that the average speed a private auto travels is
40 mph. If my car is "averge", it probably runs for 450 hours per
year. Add an hour a week for idling at stop signs, red lights, etc,
and the typical family car is probably up to about 500 hours per year.

In my county, there are almost two million registered cars and light
duty pickup trucks. There could be 1-billion automobile operating
hours per year, in one county alone.

There are 35,000 boats registered as "cabin cruisers" in my entire
state. There are another 100,000 or so registered as "runabouts". For
purposes of my example, let's move every single one of those boats
into my home county, imagining that they are *all* gasoline powered
and that none of the runabouts has an outboard. Two absurd
assumptions, but it dramatizes my point.

135,000 boats operating an average of 100 hours per year (generous,
many run a lot less) will log 1,350,000 hours- or less than 15% of the
automotive total. Now spread the boats back into the counties where
they actually originate, add in the cars and trucks registered in all
of those counties, and I'd be surprised if pleasure boat exhaust
accounted for more than a percent or so of all air pollution.

Point being, even if they took every boat off the water entirely- (and
that may be the goal of some of these fanatics)- the decrease in air
pollution would be almost immeasurable. In fact, assuming that the ex-
boaters decided to buy an extra car and or go for a Sunday drive
instead of a weekend cruise, total air pollution would be more likely
to go up, rather than down.