Well, it's like this...
 

I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

Well, it's like this...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

You should have turned the weather dial to rain. No shoveling just wet.

Well, it's like this...
 

On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Well, it's like this...
 

On Jan 14, 10:32*am, wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

What on earth would make you think that the amount of snow received in
ONE SEASON would show that global warming isn't happening?

Well, it's like this...
 

On Jan 14, 10:43*am, wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:32*am, wrote:

On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

What on earth would make you think that the amount of snow received in
ONE SEASON would show that global warming isn't happening?

I am not basing my assumption on one storm...

Well, it's like this...
 

Well, it's like this...
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:42:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

Along with the extreme drought, we haven't had a *winter* in quite a
few years.

Only one morning, thus far, with any frost at all.

We spent Xmas and New Years in shorts.

I remember when we actually had *four* seasons......



While it is only "weather," we really haven't had a "winter" here in at
least four years. By winter, I mean weeks of temps in teens and 20's,
several major (for our area) snowstorms, et cetera.

It's supposed to be in the 40's or better all week in daylight. We had a
couple of days in the 70s the week before last.

On topic, sort of: lots of big stripers being caught around Virginia
Beach...

Well, it's like this...
 

On Jan 14, 10:55*am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

But fraud is still fraud..

Well, it's like this...
 

Well, it's like this...
 

On Jan 14, 10:51*am, wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:43*am, wrote:

On Jan 14, 10:32*am, wrote:

On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

What on earth would make you think that the amount of snow received in
ONE SEASON would show that global warming isn't happening?

I am not basing my assumption on one storm...

What are you basing your assumptions on?

Well, it's like this...
 

On Jan 14, 11:08*am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:01:02 -0800 (PST),





wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:55*am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

But fraud is still fraud..

???- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I do not trust the numbers, collections systems, and reporting which
supports man made Global Taxing... I feel that like the Y2K hoax, it
is being run on hype, designed to stimulate commerce.. BTW, the
result of the Y2K hoax was everyone buying a new computer at once, and
no one needing one for a few years, leading to a real problem in the
market... But the guys who had stock in computer companies leading up
to the hoax are still rolling in money...

Well, it's like this...
 

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:18:48 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:14:44 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 14, 11:08*am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:01:02 -0800 (PST),





wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:55*am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

But fraud is still fraud..

???- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I do not trust the numbers, collections systems, and reporting which
supports man made Global Taxing... I feel that like the Y2K hoax, it
is being run on hype, designed to stimulate commerce.. BTW, the
result of the Y2K hoax was everyone buying a new computer at once, and
no one needing one for a few years, leading to a real problem in the
market... But the guys who had stock in computer companies leading up
to the hoax are still rolling in money...

Well, I can see who has been conned here!


Salty, type "carbon footprint offset" into Google, and see who is getting
conned. You won't have to look at all 800+ hits to get the idea.
--
John H

Well, it's like this...
 

On Jan 14, 11:18*am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:14:44 -0800 (PST),





wrote:
On Jan 14, 11:08*am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:01:02 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:55*am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

But fraud is still fraud..

???- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I do not trust the numbers, collections systems, and reporting which
supports man made Global Taxing... I feel that like the Y2K hoax, it
is being run on hype, designed to stimulate commerce.. *BTW, the
result of the Y2K hoax was everyone buying a new computer at once, and
no one needing one for a few years, leading to a real problem in the
market... But the guys who had stock in computer companies leading up
to the hoax are still rolling in money...

Well, I can see who has been conned here!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey, don't feel so bad, now that you have been enlightened, you may
carry on;)

Not going to argue with anyone about it, just wanted to be clear about
my opinion on the subject...

Going to be a hard day to day, lot's of horsies, sick family, and
snow, which is always fun in the fields...;)

Hopefully when I get home the kids will want to go do some dirtbike,
then I like the snow;)

Well, it's like this...
 

On Jan 14, 11:14*am, wrote:
On Jan 14, 11:08*am, wrote:





On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:01:02 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:55*am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

But fraud is still fraud..

???- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I do not trust the numbers, collections systems, and reporting which
supports man made Global Taxing...

Oh, I see. So you don't trust numbers or other data, but you DO trust
what your fellow republicans are telling you, in that global warming
isn't real?


I feel that like the Y2K hoax, it
is being run on hype, designed to stimulate commerce.. *BTW, the
result of the Y2K hoax was everyone buying a new computer at once, and
no one needing one for a few years, leading to a real problem in the
market... But the guys who had stock in computer companies leading up
to the hoax are still rolling in money...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sorry, apples and oranges......

Well, it's like this...
 

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:38:17 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 14, 11:14*am, wrote:
On Jan 14, 11:08*am, wrote:





On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:01:02 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:55*am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

But fraud is still fraud..

???- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I do not trust the numbers, collections systems, and reporting which
supports man made Global Taxing...

Oh, I see. So you don't trust numbers or other data, but you DO trust
what your fellow republicans are telling you, in that global warming
isn't real?


I feel that like the Y2K hoax, it
is being run on hype, designed to stimulate commerce.. *BTW, the
result of the Y2K hoax was everyone buying a new computer at once, and
no one needing one for a few years, leading to a real problem in the
market... But the guys who had stock in computer companies leading up
to the hoax are still rolling in money...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sorry, apples and oranges......

Loogy, go Google "carbon footprint offset" and come back and tell us it's
not a scam, especially as CO2 increases follow the temp increases by 800 or
so years.
--
John H

Well, it's like this...
 

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:48:15 -0500, BAR wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

You should have turned the weather dial to rain. No shoveling just wet.

I did.

I forgot to turn the thermostat up. :)

Well, it's like this...
 

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:55:02 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

Say again?

Climate: The composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a
region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation,
sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a
series of years.

Well, it's like this...
 

On Jan 14, 3:03*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:38:17 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 14, 11:14*am, wrote:
On Jan 14, 11:08*am, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:01:02 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:55*am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

But fraud is still fraud..

???- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I do not trust the numbers, collections systems, and reporting which
supports man made Global Taxing...

Oh, I see. So you don't trust numbers or other data, but you DO trust
what your fellow republicans are telling you, in that global warming
isn't real?

I feel that like the Y2K hoax, it
is being run on hype, designed to stimulate commerce.. *BTW, the
result of the Y2K hoax was everyone buying a new computer at once, and
no one needing one for a few years, leading to a real problem in the
market... But the guys who had stock in computer companies leading up
to the hoax are still rolling in money...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sorry, apples and oranges......

Loogy, go Google "carbon footprint offset" and come back and tell us it's
not a scam, especially as CO2 increases follow the temp increases by 800 or
so years.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where to hell did I OR justafrekin say ANYTHING about carbon footprint
offset????

Well, it's like this...
 

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:53:27 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 14, 3:03*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:38:17 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 14, 11:14*am, wrote:
On Jan 14, 11:08*am, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:01:02 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:55*am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

But fraud is still fraud..

???- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I do not trust the numbers, collections systems, and reporting which
supports man made Global Taxing...

Oh, I see. So you don't trust numbers or other data, but you DO trust
what your fellow republicans are telling you, in that global warming
isn't real?

I feel that like the Y2K hoax, it
is being run on hype, designed to stimulate commerce.. *BTW, the
result of the Y2K hoax was everyone buying a new computer at once, and
no one needing one for a few years, leading to a real problem in the
market... But the guys who had stock in computer companies leading up
to the hoax are still rolling in money...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sorry, apples and oranges......

Loogy, go Google "carbon footprint offset" and come back and tell us it's
not a scam, especially as CO2 increases follow the temp increases by 800 or
so years.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where to hell did I OR justafrekin say ANYTHING about carbon footprint
offset????

Apples and oranges. The hoax folks will be rolling in money, starting with
Al.
--
John H

Well, it's like this...
 

wrote in message ...
On Jan 14, 11:08 am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:01:02 -0800 (PST),





wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:55 am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:42 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

But fraud is still fraud..

???- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I do not trust the numbers, collections systems, and reporting which
supports man made Global Taxing... I feel that like the Y2K hoax, it
is being run on hype, designed to stimulate commerce.. BTW, the
result of the Y2K hoax was everyone buying a new computer at once, and
no one needing one for a few years, leading to a real problem in the
market... But the guys who had stock in computer companies leading up
to the hoax are still rolling in money...


The software *fix* for our company's Y2K problem
was in excess of $200K. We switched over to a competitor's
system just before rollover.

db

Well, it's like this...
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:42:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

Along with the extreme drought, we haven't had a *winter* in quite a
few years.

Only one morning, thus far, with any frost at all.

We spent Xmas and New Years in shorts.

I remember when we actually had *four* seasons......



True dat,

In the 60's, 70's. You didn't get through the winter
without several nice snowfalls here.

Meanwhile,

We went down for the weekend. I had to change into
shorts Saturday afternoon to stop sweating. Lucky
I had a pair stashed away in a drawer at the beach house.
We drove to O.I to have dinner with my folks Saturday
eve. My Dad was sitting out on the front porch to
greet us still with *his* shorts on from working in
the yard...and a cold beer.

Did you read that article in Sunday's paper about Falls Lake?
I didn't realize they screwed up on the depth when it was built.


db

Well, it's like this...
 

On Jan 14, 12:38*pm, wrote:
On Jan 14, 11:14*am, wrote:





On Jan 14, 11:08*am, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:01:02 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:55*am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

But fraud is still fraud..

???- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I do not trust the numbers, collections systems, and reporting which
supports man made Global Taxing...

Oh, I see. So you don't trust numbers or other data, but you DO trust
what your fellow republicans are telling you, in that global warming
isn't real?

No, if you would get informed you would see that there are as many
scientists against the theories as for, I happen to trust NOAA and
NASA scientists more than UN funded scientists... Nothing to do with
any republican or democratic pundit.


*I feel that like the Y2K hoax, it

is being run on hype, designed to stimulate commerce.. *BTW, the
result of the Y2K hoax was everyone buying a new computer at once, and
no one needing one for a few years, leading to a real problem in the
market... But the guys who had stock in computer companies leading up
to the hoax are still rolling in money...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sorry, apples and oranges......- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, it's like this...
 

On Jan 14, 4:19*pm, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote:
wrote in ...

On Jan 14, 11:08 am, wrote:





On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:01:02 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:55 am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:42 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

But fraud is still fraud..

???- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I do not trust the numbers, collections systems, and reporting which
supports man made Global Taxing... I feel that like the Y2K hoax, it
is being run on hype, designed to stimulate commerce.. *BTW, the
result of the Y2K hoax was everyone buying a new computer at once, and
no one needing one for a few years, leading to a real problem in the
market... But the guys who had stock in computer companies leading up
to the hoax are still rolling in money...

The software *fix* for our company's Y2K problem
was in excess of $200K. *We switched over to a competitor's
system just before rollover.

db- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I was working as a CNE for a public traded corp at the time and
we had issues with only one program, which needed to be upgraded at
each workstation. Three facilities, almost a week, but we did not need
to buy new computers. How did your old equipment fair after the Hoax,
or did you just toss them out and never really find out? I am not
saying some business needed patches, but Dell, Compaq, etc had a blast
making everyone think they needed a computer all at once. No surprise
a year and a half later the market for processors tanked...

Well, it's like this...
 

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:28:36 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:41:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:55:02 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

Say again?

Climate: The composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a
region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation,
sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a
series of years.

again: Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

Do you look at your driveway to determine the level of traffic around the earth?
If someone tells you that you driveway does not reflect what is going on over
the whole earth, do you respond that there's no traffic in any of the driveways
in your neigborhood?


Salty, traffic and weather are two different things. many people confuse
them.

:)
--
John H

Well, it's like this...
 

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:28:36 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:41:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:55:02 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

Say again?

Climate: The composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a
region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation,
sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a
series of years.

again: Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

Do you look at your driveway to determine the level of traffic around the earth?
If someone tells you that you driveway does not reflect what is going on over
the whole earth, do you respond that there's no traffic in any of the driveways
in your neigborhood?

The analogy doesn't make sense.

The only difference between weather and climate is time.

They are one and the same.

The very definition of Climate Change is change in the long-term
average of daily weather.

Can't have one without the other.

Well, it's like this...
 

On Jan 15, 6:46*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:28:36 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:41:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:55:02 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

Say again?

Climate: The composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a
region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation,
sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a
series of years.

again: Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

Do you look at your driveway to determine the level of traffic around the earth?
If someone tells you that you driveway does not reflect what is going on over
the whole earth, do you respond that there's no traffic in any of the driveways
in your neigborhood?

The analogy doesn't make sense.

The only difference between weather and climate is time.

They are one and the same.

The very definition of Climate Change is change in the long-term
average of daily weather.

Can't have one without the other.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Really? You can't have local weather change day to day without overall
climate change???

Well, it's like this...
 

On Jan 14, 5:34*pm, wrote:
On Jan 14, 12:38*pm, wrote:





On Jan 14, 11:14*am, wrote:

On Jan 14, 11:08*am, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:01:02 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:55*am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches.. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

But fraud is still fraud..

???- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I do not trust the numbers, collections systems, and reporting which
supports man made Global Taxing...

Oh, I see. So you don't trust numbers or other data, but you DO trust
what your fellow republicans are telling you, in that global warming
isn't real?

No, if you would get informed you would see that there are as many
scientists against the theories as for, I happen to trust NOAA and
NASA scientists more than UN funded scientists... Nothing to do with
any republican or democratic pundit.


Why would you trust NASA and NOAA scientists more than UN funded
scientists? You don't think they can be corrupted by funding? Also,
you do realize that both NASA and NOAA agree that global warming is
real, don't you? And they also agree that they aren't sure whether man
is causing it or not. They never said man isn't causing it, as you
suggest. Also, there is a NOAA study on Paleoclimatology that shows
very clearly that in the past, when there was warming there was also a
big increase in greenhouse gases that occured naturally via volcanoes,
etc. So, we have evidence that green house gases cause global warming.
We also know that man is now spewing more and more billions of pounds
of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere every day. How would you
conclude that this isn't having an affect?

Well, it's like this...
 

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:26:12 GMT, wrote:

You need a better dictionary. No competent climatologist wrote that
definition.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/no...e_weather.html

You go tell them their wrong.

I'll wait.

Well, it's like this...
 

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:59:57 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 15, 6:46*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:28:36 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:41:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:55:02 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

Say again?

Climate: The composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a
region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation,
sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a
series of years.

again: Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

Do you look at your driveway to determine the level of traffic around the earth?
If someone tells you that you driveway does not reflect what is going on over
the whole earth, do you respond that there's no traffic in any of the driveways
in your neigborhood?

The analogy doesn't make sense.

The only difference between weather and climate is time.

They are one and the same.

The very definition of Climate Change is change in the long-term
average of daily weather.

Can't have one without the other.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Really? You can't have local weather change day to day without overall
climate change???

Didn't say that.

I said that climate and weather are one and the same. Climate is
weather averaged over time.

It's a pretty simple concept.

Well, it's like this...
 

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:30:01 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:11:59 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:26:12 GMT, wrote:

You need a better dictionary. No competent climatologist wrote that
definition.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/no...e_weather.html

You go tell them their wrong.

I'll wait.

Did you read (and fully grasp) the whole of what they say at the link
you posted?

What ever dude.

Later.

Well, it's like this...
 

On Jan 15, 11:13*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:59:57 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 15, 6:46*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:28:36 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:41:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:55:02 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

Say again?

Climate: The composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a
region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation,
sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a
series of years.

again: Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

Do you look at your driveway to determine the level of traffic around the earth?
If someone tells you that you driveway does not reflect what is going on over
the whole earth, do you respond that there's no traffic in any of the driveways
in your neigborhood?

The analogy doesn't make sense.

The only difference between weather and climate is time.

They are one and the same.

The very definition of Climate Change is change in the long-term
average of daily weather.

Can't have one without the other.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Really? You can't have local weather change day to day without overall
climate change???

Didn't say that.

I said that climate and weather are one and the same. *Climate is
weather averaged over time.

It's a pretty simple concept.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes you did! Your statement above even gives TWO definitions. They are
either "one in the same", or not!

Well, it's like this...
 

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:41:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 15, 11:13*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:59:57 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 15, 6:46*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:28:36 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:41:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:55:02 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

Say again?

Climate: The composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a
region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation,
sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a
series of years.

again: Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

Do you look at your driveway to determine the level of traffic around the earth?
If someone tells you that you driveway does not reflect what is going on over
the whole earth, do you respond that there's no traffic in any of the driveways
in your neigborhood?

The analogy doesn't make sense.

The only difference between weather and climate is time.

They are one and the same.

The very definition of Climate Change is change in the long-term
average of daily weather.

Can't have one without the other.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Really? You can't have local weather change day to day without overall
climate change???

Didn't say that.

I said that climate and weather are one and the same. *Climate is
weather averaged over time.

It's a pretty simple concept.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes you did! Your statement above even gives TWO definitions. They are
either "one in the same", or not!

What?

Well, it's like this...
 

On Jan 15, 12:04*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:41:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 15, 11:13*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:59:57 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 15, 6:46*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:28:36 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:41:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:55:02 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:32:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 14, 8:42*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.

So far this year our snow average has been surpassed by 5 inches.. The
old average was 17, so far we have had 22. Mass has Global Taxing to
the tune of 10 inches above normal average... * * *Just the facts, as
Al Gore doesn't see em' ;)

Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

Say again?

Climate: The composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a
region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation,
sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a
series of years.

again: Weather and climate are two different things. many people confuse
them.

Do you look at your driveway to determine the level of traffic around the earth?
If someone tells you that you driveway does not reflect what is going on over
the whole earth, do you respond that there's no traffic in any of the driveways
in your neigborhood?

The analogy doesn't make sense.

The only difference between weather and climate is time.

They are one and the same.

The very definition of Climate Change is change in the long-term
average of daily weather.

Can't have one without the other.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Really? You can't have local weather change day to day without overall
climate change???

Didn't say that.

I said that climate and weather are one and the same. *Climate is
weather averaged over time.

It's a pretty simple concept.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes you did! Your statement above even gives TWO definitions. They are
either "one in the same", or not!

What?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Let me narrow it down for you, jeez. .....
If climate "is one in the same" as weather, then it could not possibly
be "weather averaged over time" That would be the same as saying a
mile is the same as a mile per hour.

Well, it's like this...
 

wrote in message


How did your old equipment fair after the Hoax,
or did you just toss them out and never really find out? I am not
saying some business needed patches, but Dell, Compaq, etc had a blast
making everyone think they needed a computer all at once. No surprise
a year and a half later the market for processors tanked...



I shut those servers down before Y2K and never looked back.
The older system (hardware & software) was quite aniquated
anyhow.

db

Well, it's like this...
 

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:11:59 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:26:12 GMT, wrote:

You need a better dictionary. No competent climatologist wrote that
definition.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/no...e_weather.html

You go tell them their wrong.

I'll wait.

Did you read (and fully grasp) the whole of what they say at the link
you posted?


He hasn't had time. Too busy cruising over Texas.

Eisboch

Well, it's like this...
 

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:51:58 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:26:52 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ...
| On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:42:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
| following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
| |I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.
|
| Along with the extreme drought, we haven't had a *winter* in quite a
| few years.
|
| Only one morning, thus far, with any frost at all.
|
| We spent Xmas and New Years in shorts.
|
| I remember when we actually had *four* seasons......
|
|
|
|True dat,
|
|In the 60's, 70's. You didn't get through the winter
|without several nice snowfalls here.
|
|Meanwhile,
|
|We went down for the weekend. I had to change into
|shorts Saturday afternoon to stop sweating. Lucky
|I had a pair stashed away in a drawer at the beach house.
|We drove to O.I to have dinner with my folks Saturday
|eve. My Dad was sitting out on the front porch to
|greet us still with *his* shorts on from working in
|the yard...and a cold beer.

Notice how many trees and bushes are budding out? The first week of
January?

|Did you read that article in Sunday's paper about Falls Lake?
|I didn't realize they screwed up on the depth when it was built.

No... I didn't see that! What did they do wrong. I know that they are
talking about augmenting the depth somehow. John... you better pay
attention, when you move, you are going to be contributing a bit to
the effort!

I hadn't read the OP. Which newspaper would this be in? I sent an email to
the parks folks down there who said Falls Lake was down 9 feet and that
only one ramp (Highway 50?) was open. I'm praying for rain...in NC.
--
John H

Well, it's like this...
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:26:52 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ...
| On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:42:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
| following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
| |I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.
|
| Along with the extreme drought, we haven't had a *winter* in quite a
| few years.
|
| Only one morning, thus far, with any frost at all.
|
| We spent Xmas and New Years in shorts.
|
| I remember when we actually had *four* seasons......
|
|
|
|True dat,
|
|In the 60's, 70's. You didn't get through the winter
|without several nice snowfalls here.
|
|Meanwhile,
|
|We went down for the weekend. I had to change into
|shorts Saturday afternoon to stop sweating. Lucky
|I had a pair stashed away in a drawer at the beach house.
|We drove to O.I to have dinner with my folks Saturday
|eve. My Dad was sitting out on the front porch to
|greet us still with *his* shorts on from working in
|the yard...and a cold beer.

Notice how many trees and bushes are budding out? The first week of
January?

|Did you read that article in Sunday's paper about Falls Lake?
|I didn't realize they screwed up on the depth when it was built.

No... I didn't see that! What did they do wrong. I know that they are
talking about augmenting the depth somehow. John... you better pay
attention, when you move, you are going to be contributing a bit to
the effort!

--

From what I gathered, the topo maps they had available at the time were not
as accurate as they are now and the depth (excavation) of the lake is off
up to 5' in some areas.

Not sure who's to blame here but
they realized the error before the lake was completed. Apparently
It was too late to correct the error at that point.

Bottom line.
The lake has less water that originally planned so they had
to jack with the height to make up some of the difference.

Sorry I can't provide better details, I only scanned it Sunday
night before retiring.

db

Well, it's like this...
 

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:24:27 -0500, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com
wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:26:52 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ...
| On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:42:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
| following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
| |I have to leave to move some Climate Change off the driveways.
|
| Along with the extreme drought, we haven't had a *winter* in quite a
| few years.
|
| Only one morning, thus far, with any frost at all.
|
| We spent Xmas and New Years in shorts.
|
| I remember when we actually had *four* seasons......
|
|
|
|True dat,
|
|In the 60's, 70's. You didn't get through the winter
|without several nice snowfalls here.
|
|Meanwhile,
|
|We went down for the weekend. I had to change into
|shorts Saturday afternoon to stop sweating. Lucky
|I had a pair stashed away in a drawer at the beach house.
|We drove to O.I to have dinner with my folks Saturday
|eve. My Dad was sitting out on the front porch to
|greet us still with *his* shorts on from working in
|the yard...and a cold beer.

Notice how many trees and bushes are budding out? The first week of
January?

|Did you read that article in Sunday's paper about Falls Lake?
|I didn't realize they screwed up on the depth when it was built.

No... I didn't see that! What did they do wrong. I know that they are
talking about augmenting the depth somehow. John... you better pay
attention, when you move, you are going to be contributing a bit to
the effort!

--

From what I gathered, the topo maps they had available at the time were not
as accurate as they are now and the depth (excavation) of the lake is off
up to 5' in some areas.

Not sure who's to blame here but
they realized the error before the lake was completed. Apparently
It was too late to correct the error at that point.

Bottom line.
The lake has less water that originally planned so they had
to jack with the height to make up some of the difference.

Sorry I can't provide better details, I only scanned it Sunday
night before retiring.

db



Thanks anyway. Appreciate the info. Maybe I'll think about moving to
Henderson.
--
John H

Well, it's like this...
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:10:56 -0500, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
|I hadn't read the OP. Which newspaper would this be in? I sent an email to
|the parks folks down there who said Falls Lake was down 9 feet and that
|only one ramp (Highway 50?) was open. I'm praying for rain...in NC.

Don probably saw it in a paper in or near Raleigh. He'll get back to
us....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats


Why the News & Observer of course!

http://www.newsobserver.com/weather/...ry/877477.html



db~there are other newspapers?

Well, it's like this...
 

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:40:23 -0500, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com
wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:10:56 -0500, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
|I hadn't read the OP. Which newspaper would this be in? I sent an email to
|the parks folks down there who said Falls Lake was down 9 feet and that
|only one ramp (Highway 50?) was open. I'm praying for rain...in NC.

Don probably saw it in a paper in or near Raleigh. He'll get back to
us....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats


Why the News & Observer of course!

http://www.newsobserver.com/weather/...ry/877477.html



db~there are other newspapers?


Thanks.
--
John H