On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:37:00 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:56:11 -0500, HK wrote:

I'm not touting him, but I haven't run across any rational adults who
despise Barack Obama. I don't associate with black-hating whites, so I
don't know what their thoughts are and don't care, either.

You haven't been talking to rank and file Democrats either I suspect.

It has nothing to do with race - it has everything to do substance and
a lot of the Union types along with the average Democrats that I know
don't see anything from either of the two front runners that will
cause them to not look elsewhere.

This could be the year for a solid third party candidate with money to
make a real splash nationally.

Unfortunately, that's Bloomberg and that's not a great choice either.


Well, if it isn't "race," why would the people you are discussing
"despise" Barack Obama? They don't even know him or at this point, even
very much about him.

I can't speak to others - only what I hear from friends and others in
conversation, but it's not race - it's more a question of "where did
he come from" and "what can he do".

And that's the real point - who is he? He's a first term US Senator
who has spent all of his time in government or NGO work as an
attorney. What specifically qualifies him to be President? He's a
cypher politically building a campaign on etheral feel good politics.

I talk to "rank and file" Democrats several times a week, mostly "blue
collar" rank and file Democrats. Factory workers, construction workers,
janitors, you know, actual working people.

Um...

Never mind.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:37:00 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:56:11 -0500, HK wrote:

I'm not touting him, but I haven't run across any rational adults who
despise Barack Obama. I don't associate with black-hating whites, so I
don't know what their thoughts are and don't care, either.
You haven't been talking to rank and file Democrats either I suspect.

It has nothing to do with race - it has everything to do substance and
a lot of the Union types along with the average Democrats that I know
don't see anything from either of the two front runners that will
cause them to not look elsewhere.

This could be the year for a solid third party candidate with money to
make a real splash nationally.

Unfortunately, that's Bloomberg and that's not a great choice either.

Well, if it isn't "race," why would the people you are discussing
"despise" Barack Obama? They don't even know him or at this point, even
very much about him.

I can't speak to others - only what I hear from friends and others in
conversation, but it's not race - it's more a question of "where did
he come from" and "what can he do".

And that's the real point - who is he? He's a first term US Senator
who has spent all of his time in government or NGO work as an
attorney. What specifically qualifies him to be President? He's a
cypher politically building a campaign on etheral feel good politics.


Indeed. He is a first term US Senator, with limited national experience,
although I believe he is on the foreign relations committee.

The only person on the "other side" with a decent resume is John McCain.

Huckabee? He's made one foreign policy statement blunder after
another. Simpleton.
Romney? No foreign policy knowledge. He admitted that.
Guiliani No foreign policy experience. Damaged goods.
Thompson Dead.
Paul Loonitarian.
Hunter Who?


McCain would be tough if he got the nod. Don't believe he will.

Bloomberg? Well, he has the money to waste but he's not electable.