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On Jan 10, 10:27*pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:43:15 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:14:08 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:41:43 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:07:52 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I have a 160 GB external hard disk to which I tried to back up my
documents
and settings using the Windows backup system.

After about a half hour, I get a message saying there's not enough
room for
the backup, and that if the hard disk is FAT 32, the backup can be no
larger than 4 GB. So I checked, and sure enough, the external HD is
FAT 32.

Now what? I already have about 50 GB of stuff on the external HD that
I
don't want to lose by reformatting (if that's what's required).

You have a couple of options.

If there is enough room on your computer's harddrive, copy the
archives there temporarily while you work on the external drive. Then
you can use a program called "Partition Magic" to do the
reconfiguration without risk to your archives. Partition Magic "could"
do the conversion with the files in place, BUT: No matter what method
you use to convert the disk to NTFS, the only way to guarantee your
files will be safe is to back them up somewhere else.

The other option is to buy another external hard drive. They are dirt
cheap these days. Newegg is very reliable to deal with and has a ton
of external drives to chose from. They even have a no name 160gb drive
for less than $70 including shipping. I've got several Maxtor's and
they have been great. Still relatively cheap.

I also HIGHLY recommend that you do NOT use Windows Backup for
anything you care about. The reason is simple: When you want to
recover those backups a couple of years from now, you will find that
every new version of Windows has a new version of windows backup, and
they are NOT compatible! *Use a separate backup program.

Jesus. This is overkill. It is a relatively trivial task to convert a
drive from FAT32 to the New Technology File System, aka NTFS. There's a
simple procedure to accomplish it, which I posted here. You can do it
without losing the data on the hard drive. I've done it a few times
without any problems.

I don't care if you've done it a thousand times with no problem. It's
HIS data on the drive, and he said he doesn't want to lose it. I
believe him, and took that into account.

You have firmly established your lack of computer expertise in many
previous posts. Now you are recommending that he risk data he said he
doesn't want to lose. Guess what? You could cross the freeway
blindfolded as many times as you've converted drives while they have
data on them, and you might survive every time, as well. Please try
THAT experiment and get back to us.

One more time:
"No matter what method you use to convert the disk to NTFS, the only
way to guarantee your files will be safe is to back them up somewhere
else"

Which is the same advice Microsoft gives.

It's also just plain common sense.

The difference between me and HK is that I am presently employed by a
medium sized city (one of the larger cities in Connecticut) to oversee
the entire city network, which includes all city departments, Police,
Fire, Utilities, school system and libraries. A few more than 40
servers, and 2500+ desktops.

And this is my "retirement job"!

Any you use Microsoft for anything critical?- Hide quoted text -

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Our partner in Fla. runs a totally microsoft powered web server with
several websites, what would you like to know?

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Canuck57 wrote:
wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:43:15 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:14:08 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:41:43 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:07:52 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I have a 160 GB external hard disk to which I tried to back up my
documents
and settings using the Windows backup system.

After about a half hour, I get a message saying there's not enough
room for
the backup, and that if the hard disk is FAT 32, the backup can be no
larger than 4 GB. So I checked, and sure enough, the external HD is
FAT 32.

Now what? I already have about 50 GB of stuff on the external HD that
I
don't want to lose by reformatting (if that's what's required).
You have a couple of options.

If there is enough room on your computer's harddrive, copy the
archives there temporarily while you work on the external drive. Then
you can use a program called "Partition Magic" to do the
reconfiguration without risk to your archives. Partition Magic "could"
do the conversion with the files in place, BUT: No matter what method
you use to convert the disk to NTFS, the only way to guarantee your
files will be safe is to back them up somewhere else.


The other option is to buy another external hard drive. They are dirt
cheap these days. Newegg is very reliable to deal with and has a ton
of external drives to chose from. They even have a no name 160gb drive
for less than $70 including shipping. I've got several Maxtor's and
they have been great. Still relatively cheap.


I also HIGHLY recommend that you do NOT use Windows Backup for
anything you care about. The reason is simple: When you want to
recover those backups a couple of years from now, you will find that
every new version of Windows has a new version of windows backup, and
they are NOT compatible! Use a separate backup program.



Jesus. This is overkill. It is a relatively trivial task to convert a
drive from FAT32 to the New Technology File System, aka NTFS. There's a
simple procedure to accomplish it, which I posted here. You can do it
without losing the data on the hard drive. I've done it a few times
without any problems.
I don't care if you've done it a thousand times with no problem. It's
HIS data on the drive, and he said he doesn't want to lose it. I
believe him, and took that into account.

You have firmly established your lack of computer expertise in many
previous posts. Now you are recommending that he risk data he said he
doesn't want to lose. Guess what? You could cross the freeway
blindfolded as many times as you've converted drives while they have
data on them, and you might survive every time, as well. Please try
THAT experiment and get back to us.

One more time:
"No matter what method you use to convert the disk to NTFS, the only
way to guarantee your files will be safe is to back them up somewhere
else"
Which is the same advice Microsoft gives.
It's also just plain common sense.

The difference between me and HK is that I am presently employed by a
medium sized city (one of the larger cities in Connecticut) to oversee
the entire city network, which includes all city departments, Police,
Fire, Utilities, school system and libraries. A few more than 40
servers, and 2500+ desktops.

And this is my "retirement job"!

Any you use Microsoft for anything critical?

Business runs on Microsoft.

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
I have a 160 GB external hard disk to which I tried to back up my
documents
and settings using the Windows backup system.

After about a half hour, I get a message saying there's not enough
room for
the backup, and that if the hard disk is FAT 32, the backup can be no
larger than 4 GB. So I checked, and sure enough, the external HD is
FAT 32.

Now what? I already have about 50 GB of stuff on the external HD that I
don't want to lose by reformatting (if that's what's required).

Forget about windows backup utilities and get Retrospect.




And Bertie claims to be a computer expert.

I know more about computers, networks, storage and many, many other
subjects than you. And, you know it!

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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:55:04 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:23:30 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:11:25 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:07:52 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I have a 160 GB external hard disk to which I tried to back up my documents
and settings using the Windows backup system.

After about a half hour, I get a message saying there's not enough room for
the backup, and that if the hard disk is FAT 32, the backup can be no
larger than 4 GB. So I checked, and sure enough, the external HD is FAT 32.

Now what? I already have about 50 GB of stuff on the external HD that I
don't want to lose by reformatting (if that's what's required).

I think your problem is file size. If I recall correctly, a Fat32 file
can be no larger than about 4 gigs.

I think the Windows utility made one giant file.

The Windows backup system sucks.

Get something like Second Copy....


http://www.centered.com/

A good freeware...



http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptreplicator.asp

You're correct about the file size and the making of one giant file. Once
the size hit 4gigs, the backup stopped.

Thanks for the freeware site. That looks inter4esting. Have you used it
(the karenware)?

No, but the people in the Freeware group recommend it highly.

I use Second Copy and it has been very reliable. I have two drives and
backup my important stuff to it.
It's not a perfect system, but I backup documents to CD once in a while.

Thanks, Wally. I've downloaded and installed Karen's Replicator. Seems to
be exactly what I was looking for. Now I have to decide what, besides my
documents, I want to back up.

I appreciate the assistance.
--
John H

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HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:09:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Have you tried Norton NDD? It fixes lots of stuff CHKDSK and ScanDisk
can't.
No. I don't have anything Norton. For some reason, from many years
ago, I
got a bad taste in my mouth from Norton. Don't remember the details.
--
Probably that lousy anti-virus software or something that happened
when Symantec took over. When it was Peter Norton, they did some great
things with disk recovery software. I have taken "broken" drives out
of the trash and fixed them with NDD.

http://esteroriverheights.com/electrical/norton/


They had an excellent backup software product, too. It was an un-raped
version of the piece 'o **** that came with Windows back in the day.
It was so good, they discontinued it.



Just another example of what happens when a BIG corporation takes over
another company. Almost invariably, the smaller company's product line
is examined by the bigger company's MBAs and then turned into crap.

And, just like hiring union labor. Productivity drops and costs
increase. Why can't I plug this into the outlet? Because you are not a
union electrician. But, if I was at home I could plug it in? Your house
is not a union shop.

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BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:09:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Have you tried Norton NDD? It fixes lots of stuff CHKDSK and ScanDisk
can't.
No. I don't have anything Norton. For some reason, from many years
ago, I
got a bad taste in my mouth from Norton. Don't remember the details.
--
Probably that lousy anti-virus software or something that happened
when Symantec took over. When it was Peter Norton, they did some great
things with disk recovery software. I have taken "broken" drives out
of the trash and fixed them with NDD.

http://esteroriverheights.com/electrical/norton/


They had an excellent backup software product, too. It was an
un-raped version of the piece 'o **** that came with Windows back in
the day. It was so good, they discontinued it.



Just another example of what happens when a BIG corporation takes over
another company. Almost invariably, the smaller company's product line
is examined by the bigger company's MBAs and then turned into crap.

And, just like hiring union labor. Productivity drops and costs
increase. Why can't I plug this into the outlet? Because you are not a
union electrician. But, if I was at home I could plug it in? Your house
is not a union shop.


Yawn. I doubt you'd be technically qualified to hold *any* skilled union
job. Your current employment of changing toner cartridges in HP
laserjets doesn't require much skill.

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:09:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Have you tried Norton NDD? It fixes lots of stuff CHKDSK and
ScanDisk
can't.
No. I don't have anything Norton. For some reason, from many years
ago, I
got a bad taste in my mouth from Norton. Don't remember the details.
--
Probably that lousy anti-virus software or something that happened
when Symantec took over. When it was Peter Norton, they did some great
things with disk recovery software. I have taken "broken" drives out
of the trash and fixed them with NDD.

http://esteroriverheights.com/electrical/norton/


They had an excellent backup software product, too. It was an
un-raped version of the piece 'o **** that came with Windows back in
the day. It was so good, they discontinued it.



Just another example of what happens when a BIG corporation takes
over another company. Almost invariably, the smaller company's
product line is examined by the bigger company's MBAs and then turned
into crap.

And, just like hiring union labor. Productivity drops and costs
increase. Why can't I plug this into the outlet? Because you are not a
union electrician. But, if I was at home I could plug it in? Your
house is not a union shop.


Yawn. I doubt you'd be technically qualified to hold *any* skilled union
job. Your current employment of changing toner cartridges in HP
laserjets doesn't require much skill.

I don't need to hold a union job I am one of those highly paid white
collar workers and have been since I was 17.

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On Jan 11, 8:11*am, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:09:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Have you tried Norton NDD? It fixes lots of stuff CHKDSK and ScanDisk
can't.
No. I don't have anything Norton. For some reason, from many years
ago, I
got a bad taste in my mouth from Norton. Don't remember the details.
--
Probably that lousy anti-virus software or something that happened
when Symantec took over. When it was Peter Norton, they did some great
things with disk recovery software. I have taken "broken" drives out
of the trash and fixed them with NDD.

http://esteroriverheights.com/electrical/norton/

They had an excellent backup software product, too. It was an
un-raped version of the piece 'o **** that came with Windows back in
the day. It was so good, they discontinued it.

Just another example of what happens when a BIG corporation takes over
another company. Almost invariably, the smaller company's product line
is examined by the bigger company's MBAs and then turned into crap.

And, just like hiring union labor. Productivity drops and costs
increase. Why can't I plug this into the outlet? Because you are not a
union electrician. But, if I was at home I could plug it in? Your house
is not a union shop.

Yawn. I doubt you'd be technically qualified to hold *any* skilled union
job. Your current employment of changing toner cartridges in HP
laserjets doesn't require much skill.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But parts changers for broken cameras! That is skilled union labor..
"Where is the top left screw guy"??

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On Jan 11, 9:25*am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:09:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Have you tried Norton NDD? It fixes lots of stuff CHKDSK and
ScanDisk
can't.
No. I don't have anything Norton. For some reason, from many years
ago, I
got a bad taste in my mouth from Norton. Don't remember the details..
--
Probably that lousy anti-virus software or something that happened
when Symantec took over. When it was Peter Norton, they did some great
things with disk recovery software. I have taken "broken" drives out
of the trash and fixed them with NDD.

http://esteroriverheights.com/electrical/norton/

They had an excellent backup software product, too. It was an
un-raped version of the piece 'o **** that came with Windows back in
the day. It was so good, they discontinued it.

Just another example of what happens when a BIG corporation takes
over another company. Almost invariably, the smaller company's
product line is examined by the bigger company's MBAs and then turned
into crap.

And, just like hiring union labor. Productivity drops and costs
increase. Why can't I plug this into the outlet? Because you are not a
union electrician. But, if I was at home I could plug it in? Your
house is not a union shop.

Yawn. I doubt you'd be technically qualified to hold *any* skilled union
job. Your current employment of changing toner cartridges in HP
laserjets doesn't require much skill.

I don't need to hold a union job I am one of those highly paid white
collar workers and have been since I was 17.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

nerd... ;)

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BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:09:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Have you tried Norton NDD? It fixes lots of stuff CHKDSK and
ScanDisk
can't.
No. I don't have anything Norton. For some reason, from many
years ago, I
got a bad taste in my mouth from Norton. Don't remember the details.
--
Probably that lousy anti-virus software or something that happened
when Symantec took over. When it was Peter Norton, they did some
great
things with disk recovery software. I have taken "broken" drives out
of the trash and fixed them with NDD.

http://esteroriverheights.com/electrical/norton/


They had an excellent backup software product, too. It was an
un-raped version of the piece 'o **** that came with Windows back
in the day. It was so good, they discontinued it.



Just another example of what happens when a BIG corporation takes
over another company. Almost invariably, the smaller company's
product line is examined by the bigger company's MBAs and then
turned into crap.

And, just like hiring union labor. Productivity drops and costs
increase. Why can't I plug this into the outlet? Because you are not
a union electrician. But, if I was at home I could plug it in? Your
house is not a union shop.


Yawn. I doubt you'd be technically qualified to hold *any* skilled
union job. Your current employment of changing toner cartridges in HP
laserjets doesn't require much skill.

I don't need to hold a union job I am one of those highly paid white
collar workers and have been since I was 17.


The posit was that you were not qualified to hold a skilled union job.
Obviously reading comprehension is not required on your job.

Since 17, when you dropped out of high school? What white collar job did
you hold in the marine corps? Company stapler?

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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:30:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 11, 8:11*am, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:09:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Have you tried Norton NDD? It fixes lots of stuff CHKDSK and ScanDisk
can't.
No. I don't have anything Norton. For some reason, from many years
ago, I
got a bad taste in my mouth from Norton. Don't remember the details.
--
Probably that lousy anti-virus software or something that happened
when Symantec took over. When it was Peter Norton, they did some great
things with disk recovery software. I have taken "broken" drives out
of the trash and fixed them with NDD.

http://esteroriverheights.com/electrical/norton/

They had an excellent backup software product, too. It was an
un-raped version of the piece 'o **** that came with Windows back in
the day. It was so good, they discontinued it.

Just another example of what happens when a BIG corporation takes over
another company. Almost invariably, the smaller company's product line
is examined by the bigger company's MBAs and then turned into crap.

And, just like hiring union labor. Productivity drops and costs
increase. Why can't I plug this into the outlet? Because you are not a
union electrician. But, if I was at home I could plug it in? Your house
is not a union shop.

Yawn. I doubt you'd be technically qualified to hold *any* skilled union
job. Your current employment of changing toner cartridges in HP
laserjets doesn't require much skill.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But parts changers for broken cameras! That is skilled union labor..
"Where is the top left screw guy"??

LOL!
--
John H

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wrote:
On Jan 11, 8:11 am, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:09:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:
Have you tried Norton NDD? It fixes lots of stuff CHKDSK and ScanDisk
can't.
No. I don't have anything Norton. For some reason, from many years
ago, I
got a bad taste in my mouth from Norton. Don't remember the details.
--
Probably that lousy anti-virus software or something that happened
when Symantec took over. When it was Peter Norton, they did some great
things with disk recovery software. I have taken "broken" drives out
of the trash and fixed them with NDD.
http://esteroriverheights.com/electrical/norton/
They had an excellent backup software product, too. It was an
un-raped version of the piece 'o **** that came with Windows back in
the day. It was so good, they discontinued it.
Just another example of what happens when a BIG corporation takes over
another company. Almost invariably, the smaller company's product line
is examined by the bigger company's MBAs and then turned into crap.
And, just like hiring union labor. Productivity drops and costs
increase. Why can't I plug this into the outlet? Because you are not a
union electrician. But, if I was at home I could plug it in? Your house
is not a union shop.
Yawn. I doubt you'd be technically qualified to hold *any* skilled union
job. Your current employment of changing toner cartridges in HP
laserjets doesn't require much skill.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But parts changers for broken cameras! That is skilled union labor..
"Where is the top left screw guy"??


Is it? I wouldn't know. I do know that disassembly of a camera,
diagnosing its ills, and repairing small electronic or mechanical parts
requires more skill than sawing plywood and stitching and gluing it
together.

How do I know that? Well, I've sawed plywood and oak and built small
boats, albeit the old-fashioned way, not via stitch and glue. That
doesn't take much skill. I've watched a technician take apart a modern
SLR. That required a high level of watchmaker's skills. I don't have those.

The boats on your site are similar to the "Dad and Kid" learn how to
build a boat one day classes held around here.


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

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"HK" wrote in message
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snip....

Since 17, when you dropped out of high school? What white collar job did
you hold in the marine corps? Company stapler?

~~ SNERK ~~

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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:52 -0500, HK wrote:

How do I know that? Well, I've sawed plywood and oak and built small
boats

Bovine excrement. You might have watched other people do it but
there's no chance you have ever built a complete boat from scratch and
finished it. If so, you'd have a lot more respect for the skills of
others.

How long did it take you to run your father's old boatyard into the
ground? And what about all of those old world craftsmen who lost
their jobs as a result?

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HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 11, 8:11 am, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:09:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:
Have you tried Norton NDD? It fixes lots of stuff CHKDSK and
ScanDisk
can't.
No. I don't have anything Norton. For some reason, from many years
ago, I
got a bad taste in my mouth from Norton. Don't remember the
details.
--
Probably that lousy anti-virus software or something that happened
when Symantec took over. When it was Peter Norton, they did some
great
things with disk recovery software. I have taken "broken" drives out
of the trash and fixed them with NDD.
http://esteroriverheights.com/electrical/norton/
They had an excellent backup software product, too. It was an
un-raped version of the piece 'o **** that came with Windows back in
the day. It was so good, they discontinued it.
Just another example of what happens when a BIG corporation takes over
another company. Almost invariably, the smaller company's product line
is examined by the bigger company's MBAs and then turned into crap.
And, just like hiring union labor. Productivity drops and costs
increase. Why can't I plug this into the outlet? Because you are not a
union electrician. But, if I was at home I could plug it in? Your house
is not a union shop.
Yawn. I doubt you'd be technically qualified to hold *any* skilled union
job. Your current employment of changing toner cartridges in HP
laserjets doesn't require much skill.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But parts changers for broken cameras! That is skilled union labor..
"Where is the top left screw guy"??


Is it? I wouldn't know. I do know that disassembly of a camera,
diagnosing its ills, and repairing small electronic or mechanical parts
requires more skill than sawing plywood and stitching and gluing it
together.

But, does it require one to hold a union card to do the camera work?

How do I know that? Well, I've sawed plywood and oak and built small
boats, albeit the old-fashioned way, not via stitch and glue. That
doesn't take much skill. I've watched a technician take apart a modern
SLR. That required a high level of watchmaker's skills. I don't have those.

Did the technician taking the modern camera apart really need a union card?

The boats on your site are similar to the "Dad and Kid" learn how to
build a boat one day classes held around here.

Jealousy

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:52 -0500, HK wrote:

How do I know that? Well, I've sawed plywood and oak and built small
boats

Bovine excrement. You might have watched other people do it but
there's no chance you have ever built a complete boat from scratch and
finished it. If so, you'd have a lot more respect for the skills of
others.

How long did it take you to run your father's old boatyard into the
ground? And what about all of those old world craftsmen who lost
their jobs as a result?



A. As previously stated, I built plywood dinghies and small skiffs. When
I was a real youngster, someone else would cut the pieces out of sheets
for me on the electric saws, but after that I was on my own for assembly
and finishing. There were plenty of guys around to help if I needed it.
It's not that difficult. These were simple boats, simply finished. I was
probably 10 or 11 when I cut the plywood from patterns I traced. It did
not take a lot of woodworking skill to build these boats. We used bronze
nails and screws to assemble the pieces. "Finishing" them consisted of
being patient with sanders and sanding blocks, taking the boats into the
painting shed, staining, putting on three coats of Petit marine varnish,
and installing oarlocks and deck hardware.


B. After my father died, I took over and in fairly short order, sold all
the boat, motor and parts inventory. I had no interest in running the
boat store or marina, and put the real estate up for sale. Most of the
guys who worked for my father were "moonlighters" from places like
Sikorsky or White Truck or other such places, typically guys whose main
employers kept promoting them until they no longer were able to work
with their hands. They were all long-time friends of my father and
either found other "hobby" jobs or something else to do with their time.
They were natural and highly trained mechanics and craftworkers, boaters
all, and could fix the engines of their era in their sleep.

The marina property sold quickly. The store on the old Boston Post Road
took longer, and, in fact, was sold by two of my boyhood friends, one of
whom was my father's lawyer and the other, his accountant. Last time I
drove by there, a dozen or so years ago, there was a fairly large strip
shopping center on the site. The marina site was supposed to go condo,
but I don't know. Never been back there.

My uncle (my father's older brother) and I had been after my father to
sell out for years, and to retire. My uncle had retired from his
business in 1970 and moved to Boca with his wife. He played 18 rounds of
golf almost every day and lived to be 90. My father died at 60. For what
the real property realized, he and my mother could have had a long,
carefree retirement. My mother sure did.


How's your knowledge of what simple, small wooden boats sold for in the
1950s, Wayne? Still faulty, I bet.

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HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:52 -0500, HK wrote:

How do I know that? Well, I've sawed plywood and oak and built small
boats

Bovine excrement. You might have watched other people do it but
there's no chance you have ever built a complete boat from scratch and
finished it. If so, you'd have a lot more respect for the skills of
others.

How long did it take you to run your father's old boatyard into the
ground? And what about all of those old world craftsmen who lost
their jobs as a result?



A. As previously stated, I built plywood dinghies and small skiffs. When
I was a real youngster, someone else would cut the pieces out of sheets
for me on the electric saws, but after that I was on my own for assembly
and finishing. There were plenty of guys around to help if I needed it.
It's not that difficult. These were simple boats, simply finished. I was
probably 10 or 11 when I cut the plywood from patterns I traced. It did
not take a lot of woodworking skill to build these boats. We used bronze
nails and screws to assemble the pieces. "Finishing" them consisted of
being patient with sanders and sanding blocks, taking the boats into the
painting shed, staining, putting on three coats of Petit marine varnish,
and installing oarlocks and deck hardware.


Harry, It is amazing how every day, I learn of a new skill you excelled
at. You are one amazing dude.

Since you are one amazing guy, why are you always so jealous of others?

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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:02:11 GMT, wrote:

I have machines around here that run 24/7 and never get rebooted.

Sorry, but that is an exaggeration, unless you just boot them and
never use them, or you possibly meant they run for 24 hours a day for
a week between reboots. :')

There is a reason for that. Win9x was designed with a fixed 64kb of
system resources. As programs are opened and closed, system resources
are used. Not all are returned when you close a program. Eventually,
you run out of resources and your computer locks up or blue screens.
At that point, you have no alternative except to do a reboot. Ther is
no way around that.

Win XP and 2000 are completely different and do not have this well
documented limitation.

One is a file/fax/weather station and scanner server. One is this
machine that I use a lot for all different things and one is my wifes
shopping/ma jong/email/solitaire machine.

I suspect you explain the AOL problem. Once that has been loaded the
machine is wounded but I haven't seen it with better behaved programs.


PC Magazine once documented the behavior with quite a long list of popular
programs, and not broke-dick hack products, either. Mainstream stuff from
multiple companies.

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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:17:22 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

When I ran WIN98SE, I saw
the problem you described all the time, except on occasional weekends when
I
knew I'd be getting massive numbers of faxes, so I'd restart the machine
late Friday, turn on Winfax, and let it run all weekend. Monday morning,
the
machine still ran briskly.

That is true. I am running FaxWorks, HPCopy, HeavyWeather, HW
Puiblisher and the drivers to get a USB drive going on the network
(the biggest problem). It just runs. I am not sure I have ever
rebooted it because it was broke.

The only time I consciously reboot this machine is when I am burning a
DVD. I suppose it is that resource problem and I bet you that problem
is related to Internet Exploder not letting go of stuff.
If I just run Firefox I don't see that on this machine. I may try
burning a DVD some time when I have been working for a while but I
know never loaded AOL or IE. (the buggy part of AOL)


Why bet? Reboot, DON'T start IE, and try burning a DVD. The problem may lie
with the caching during the burn procedure. When burners first became
available, this was a huge problem until software writers figured out that
they should pay attention to the OS their products will be running on.

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On Jan 11, 12:56*pm, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:52 -0500, HK wrote:

How do I know that? Well, I've sawed plywood and oak and built small
boats

Bovine excrement. *You might have watched other people do it but
there's no chance you have ever built a complete boat from scratch and
finished it. *If so, you'd have a lot more respect for the skills of
others.

How long did it take you to run your father's old boatyard into the
ground? *And what about all of those old world craftsmen who lost
their jobs as a result?

A. As previously stated, I built plywood dinghies and small skiffs. When
I was a real youngster, someone else would cut the pieces out of sheets
for me on the electric saws, but after that I was on my own for assembly
and finishing. There were plenty of guys around to help if I needed it.
It's not that difficult. These were simple boats, simply finished. I was
probably 10 or 11 when I cut the plywood from patterns I traced. It did
not take a lot of woodworking skill to build these boats. We used bronze
nails and screws to assemble the pieces. "Finishing" them consisted of
being patient with sanders and sanding blocks, taking the boats into the
painting shed, staining, putting on three coats of Petit marine varnish,
and installing oarlocks and deck hardware.

Did you have the proper training and were you holding a union card when
you built these boats.





B. After my father died, I took over and in fairly short order, sold all
the boat, motor and parts inventory. I had no interest in running the
boat store or marina, and put the real estate up for sale. Most of the
guys who worked for my father were "moonlighters" from places like
Sikorsky or White Truck or other such places, typically guys whose main
employers kept promoting them until they no longer were able to work
with their hands. They were all long-time friends of my father and
either found other "hobby" jobs or something else to do with their time.
They were natural and highly trained mechanics and craftworkers, boaters
all, and could fix the engines of their era in their sleep.

The marina property sold quickly. The store on the old Boston Post Road
took longer, and, in fact, was sold by two of my boyhood friends, one of
whom was my father's lawyer and the other, his accountant. Last time I
drove by there, a dozen or so years ago, there was a fairly large strip
shopping center on the site. The marina site was supposed to go condo,
but I don't know. Never been back there.

My uncle (my father's older brother) and I had been after my father to
sell out for years, and to retire. My uncle had retired from his
business in 1970 and moved to Boca with his wife. He played 18 rounds of
golf almost every day and lived to be 90. My father died at 60. For what
the real property realized, he and my mother could have had a long,
carefree retirement. My mother sure did.

How's your knowledge of what simple, small wooden boats sold for in the
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The thing is, after all this rhetoric, he has stated in the past that
he has not built a boat... I tend to beleive the former, based on
comments he has made that just don't add up to boatbuilder.. even
crappy little ones like mine...;)

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On Jan 11, 3:50*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 11, 12:56 pm, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:52 -0500, HK wrote:
How do I know that? Well, I've sawed plywood and oak and built small
boats
Bovine excrement. *You might have watched other people do it but
there's no chance you have ever built a complete boat from scratch and
finished it. *If so, you'd have a lot more respect for the skills of
others.
How long did it take you to run your father's old boatyard into the
ground? *And what about all of those old world craftsmen who lost
their jobs as a result?
A. As previously stated, I built plywood dinghies and small skiffs. When
I was a real youngster, someone else would cut the pieces out of sheets
for me on the electric saws, but after that I was on my own for assembly
and finishing. There were plenty of guys around to help if I needed it..
It's not that difficult. These were simple boats, simply finished. I was
probably 10 or 11 when I cut the plywood from patterns I traced. It did
not take a lot of woodworking skill to build these boats. We used bronze
nails and screws to assemble the pieces. "Finishing" them consisted of
being patient with sanders and sanding blocks, taking the boats into the
painting shed, staining, putting on three coats of Petit marine varnish,
and installing oarlocks and deck hardware.
Did you have the proper training and were you holding a union card when
you built these boats.

B. After my father died, I took over and in fairly short order, sold all
the boat, motor and parts inventory. I had no interest in running the
boat store or marina, and put the real estate up for sale. Most of the
guys who worked for my father were "moonlighters" from places like
Sikorsky or White Truck or other such places, typically guys whose main
employers kept promoting them until they no longer were able to work
with their hands. They were all long-time friends of my father and
either found other "hobby" jobs or something else to do with their time.
They were natural and highly trained mechanics and craftworkers, boaters
all, and could fix the engines of their era in their sleep.
The marina property sold quickly. The store on the old Boston Post Road
took longer, and, in fact, was sold by two of my boyhood friends, one of
whom was my father's lawyer and the other, his accountant. Last time I
drove by there, a dozen or so years ago, there was a fairly large strip
shopping center on the site. The marina site was supposed to go condo,
but I don't know. Never been back there.
My uncle (my father's older brother) and I had been after my father to
sell out for years, and to retire. My uncle had retired from his
business in 1970 and moved to Boca with his wife. He played 18 rounds of
golf almost every day and lived to be 90. My father died at 60. For what
the real property realized, he and my mother could have had a long,
carefree retirement. My mother sure did.
How's your knowledge of what simple, small wooden boats sold for in the
1950s, Wayne? Still faulty, I bet.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The thing is, after all this rhetoric, he has stated in the past that
he has not built a boat... I tend to beleive the former, based on
comments he has made that just don't add up to boatbuilder.. even
crappy little ones like mine...;)

Are you saying Harry would lie?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes.

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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:02:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 11, 12:56 pm, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:52 -0500, HK wrote:
How do I know that? Well, I've sawed plywood and oak and built small
boats
Bovine excrement. You might have watched other people do it but
there's no chance you have ever built a complete boat from scratch and
finished it. If so, you'd have a lot more respect for the skills of
others.
How long did it take you to run your father's old boatyard into the
ground? And what about all of those old world craftsmen who lost
their jobs as a result?
A. As previously stated, I built plywood dinghies and small skiffs. When
I was a real youngster, someone else would cut the pieces out of sheets
for me on the electric saws, but after that I was on my own for assembly
and finishing. There were plenty of guys around to help if I needed it.
It's not that difficult. These were simple boats, simply finished. I was
probably 10 or 11 when I cut the plywood from patterns I traced. It did
not take a lot of woodworking skill to build these boats. We used bronze
nails and screws to assemble the pieces. "Finishing" them consisted of
being patient with sanders and sanding blocks, taking the boats into the
painting shed, staining, putting on three coats of Petit marine varnish,
and installing oarlocks and deck hardware.
Did you have the proper training and were you holding a union card when
you built these boats.





B. After my father died, I took over and in fairly short order, sold all
the boat, motor and parts inventory. I had no interest in running the
boat store or marina, and put the real estate up for sale. Most of the
guys who worked for my father were "moonlighters" from places like
Sikorsky or White Truck or other such places, typically guys whose main
employers kept promoting them until they no longer were able to work
with their hands. They were all long-time friends of my father and
either found other "hobby" jobs or something else to do with their time.
They were natural and highly trained mechanics and craftworkers, boaters
all, and could fix the engines of their era in their sleep.
The marina property sold quickly. The store on the old Boston Post Road
took longer, and, in fact, was sold by two of my boyhood friends, one of
whom was my father's lawyer and the other, his accountant. Last time I
drove by there, a dozen or so years ago, there was a fairly large strip
shopping center on the site. The marina site was supposed to go condo,
but I don't know. Never been back there.
My uncle (my father's older brother) and I had been after my father to
sell out for years, and to retire. My uncle had retired from his
business in 1970 and moved to Boca with his wife. He played 18 rounds of
golf almost every day and lived to be 90. My father died at 60. For what
the real property realized, he and my mother could have had a long,
carefree retirement. My mother sure did.
How's your knowledge of what simple, small wooden boats sold for in the
1950s, Wayne? Still faulty, I bet.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The thing is, after all this rhetoric, he has stated in the past that
he has not built a boat... I tend to beleive the former, based on
comments he has made that just don't add up to boatbuilder.. even
crappy little ones like mine...;)



Yeah, well, I never considered putting together little dinghies and
skiffs out of sheets of plywood as "boat building." I'm old enough to
have visited real wood boatbuilders when I was a kid, real boatbuilders
like Bill Luder, from whom my father bought a boat. We visited Luder's
yard at least once a year to look around. Luder had a number of still
famous apprentices, too, like Ted Brewer. They are boatbuilders.

And the guy who built that lovely pilothouse - the Miss Rebecca/Jack Tar
- he is a boatbuilder.

I just built cheap little prams and a couple of skiffs. Hardly what I
would consider skilled boatbuilding. The prams were for folks who wanted
a little rowboat for their kids, or who didn't want to buy a much more
expensive Dyer dink.

Harry, this is not a barb.

I just want to let you know that there is *at least* one person here who
believes you. He might live in Cleveland or someplace, but I'm sure he
exists.

Hopefully, that'll make you feel better.
--
John H

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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:57:28 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:14:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Thanks, Wally. I've downloaded and installed Karen's Replicator. Seems to
be exactly what I was looking for. Now I have to decide what, besides my
documents, I want to back up.

I appreciate the assistance.
--
John H

Hey John, no problem. If I remember correctly, you live in AL and I'm
glad to help out a neighbor.

That's my southern accent comin' out. Actually I live in Virginia.
--
John H

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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:09:22 -0500, wrote:

One is a file/fax/weather station and scanner server. One is this
machine that I use a lot for all different things and one is my wifes
shopping/ma jong/email/solitaire machine.


Then they get rebooted, and as I said, your claim that they never get
rebooted is hyperbole.


My wife treats her machine like the phone. She doesn't even have a
clue how to reboot it. Pull the plug is all she knows. Thay doesn't
happen often and I hear about it


Heh. Sounds like my ex: "I don't do technology." :-)

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HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:21:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:07:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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I have a 160 GB external hard disk to which I tried to back up my
documents
and settings using the Windows backup system.

After about a half hour, I get a message saying there's not
enough room
for
the backup, and that if the hard disk is FAT 32, the backup can
be no
larger than 4 GB. So I checked, and sure enough, the external HD
is FAT
32.

Now what? I already have about 50 GB of stuff on the external HD
that I
don't want to lose by reformatting (if that's what's required).
--
John H

When you get this working properly, where will the external hard
drive be
kept most of the time?

One step at a time, Doug. That issue was part of why I suggested the
idea of buying another drive for this project to John. :')


Small enough to fit his safe deposit box at the bank, right? :-)

Probably, but that wouldn't be such a great spot for it. As I'm SURE
you know, the biggest failure of any backup plan is that if it is too
inconvenient, it won't get done. A backup stored onsite is 1000%
better than a backup that doesn't get done.

I do my backup onto an external drive and bring it to the office.


John doesn't have an office. So, when his "onsite" burns to the
ground, there goes his backup hardware, too. I'm in the same
situation. I have a choice to make: Two sets of media, one of which I
can't get to if the bank is closed. Or, no off-site media, and then
I'm phuqued if the place burns down.

Off site doesn't mean the backup doesn't get done. Use the one at home
for a week, then take it to the the safe deposit box and swap for the
other one. Or, someone else's house. Anything's better than storing
all your backup media in the same building. No sane corporation does
that, unless they have a storage arrangement like a bank's.



Feh.

I bought a used "two hour" fire safe at a bankruptcy auction to store
papers, valuables, guns and my computer backup drives. I also use an
"on-line" storage site to hold important data files.

The safe was a "steal," but it cost me mucho dinero to get it delivered
and brought into the basement. Damn thing must weigh at least half a ton.

Keep telling yourself that, Harry. Get better soon!

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HK wrote:
wrote:

Damn!

So, what sort of boat do you own, and where do you keep it?

This asshole is amazing! He posts his narcissistic diatribe over and
over and he still has the balls to ask for this sort of personal
information from someone else.

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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:21:20 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

Sorry John, I got you mixed up with Jim H.

Jim H is an Ohhhhie from near Lake Eerie, and Lake Eerie is a very
strange place. I'm surprised he's not down here in Florida right now
driving slowly in a white Cadilac like all the other Ohhhhies.

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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:21:20 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:02:38 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:57:28 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:14:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Thanks, Wally. I've downloaded and installed Karen's Replicator. Seems to
be exactly what I was looking for. Now I have to decide what, besides my
documents, I want to back up.

I appreciate the assistance.
--
John H

Hey John, no problem. If I remember correctly, you live in AL and I'm
glad to help out a neighbor.

That's my southern accent comin' out. Actually I live in Virginia.

Sorry John, I got you mixed up with Jim H.

Now that *really* hurts my feelings!
--
John H

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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:30:45 -0500, "JimH" wrote:

If we did move it certainly would not be to the hell hole of heat, humidity
and hurricanes you live in.

Yes, it's terrible here. Tell your friends.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:30:45 -0500, "JimH" wrote:

If we did move it certainly would not be to the hell hole of heat,
humidity
and hurricanes you live in.

Yes, it's terrible here. Tell your friends.

One of my favorite bumper stickers here is, Welcome to Florida ~ Now Go
Home.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:30:45 -0500, "JimH" wrote:

If we did move it certainly would not be to the hell hole of heat,
humidity
and hurricanes you live in.

Yes, it's terrible here. Tell your friends.
Yup. But when you come, and you will, leave only your footprints on our
beautiful beaches, and money. Harvesting Yankee dollars is our most
important industry.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:30:45 -0500, "JimH" wrote:

If we did move it certainly would not be to the hell hole of heat, humidity
and hurricanes you live in.

Yes, it's terrible here. Tell your friends.


Well, property's dropped in price, what with the gazillion foreclosures
and now empty houses in south Florida. Nice place to visit in the winter
months. Unfit for habitation in the warm months.

Wonder how our leveraged dentist buddy is doing.

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HK wrote:

wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:54:37 -0600, Del Cecchi
wrote:

Rather than using backup, can you just copy the files manually using
windows explorer. Or perhaps different backup software?


That was my thought. I have several big drives scattered around my
network and I copy stuff I don't want to lose to them. There are
several copies of things like my MP3s and pictures spinning on oxide
in raw form. Backup files may use less disk space but you need the
matching restore program to retrieve them. The only thing these are
handy for is your system files that don't "copy" well. Even with that
if you are a W/9x person you can get a reasonably good
backup restore using XCOPY/S/H/E/R/C. There is a short file name
problem that could bite you but you need to have done some strange DOS
stuff to have it happen. Your Windows system files will come back
fine.
I am not running XP yet but I have a shrinkwrapped "pro" sitting here
for when I need to. 98SE still seems to be doing fine for what I do.



Hmmm. Have you considered MS DOS 1.1? :}
No way, He *needs* MDOS 2.0 for hard disk support and so he can run
Windows ;-)
(Also a 98SE site here - though I've got Win4WG 3.11 installed to run in
DOS mode from the 98 if I want some nostalgia. Its also in a VM on the
only XP box which gets switched on less than once a month)

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All varnished hot moulded wooden racing dinghy.

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Ian Malcolm wrote:
HK wrote:

wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:54:37 -0600, Del Cecchi
wrote:

Rather than using backup, can you just copy the files manually using
windows explorer. Or perhaps different backup software?


That was my thought. I have several big drives scattered around my
network and I copy stuff I don't want to lose to them. There are
several copies of things like my MP3s and pictures spinning on oxide
in raw form. Backup files may use less disk space but you need the
matching restore program to retrieve them. The only thing these are
handy for is your system files that don't "copy" well. Even with that
if you are a W/9x person you can get a reasonably good
backup restore using XCOPY/S/H/E/R/C. There is a short file name
problem that could bite you but you need to have done some strange DOS
stuff to have it happen. Your Windows system files will come back
fine.
I am not running XP yet but I have a shrinkwrapped "pro" sitting here
for when I need to. 98SE still seems to be doing fine for what I do.



Hmmm. Have you considered MS DOS 1.1? :}
No way, He *needs* MDOS 2.0 for hard disk support and so he can run
Windows ;-)
(Also a 98SE site here - though I've got Win4WG 3.11 installed to run in
DOS mode from the 98 if I want some nostalgia. Its also in a VM on the
only XP box which gets switched on less than once a month)



Well, I still have a set of beta floppies from the first beta of Windows
95. 23 or 24 floppies, if memory serves. Usually, when you got to the
install of floppy 18, there was something wrong with the media and the
install bombed.

These days for backup I use commercial backup software. Set it up, no
fuss, no muss, runs at 2 am, has recovery CD. In the old days, I'd use
XCOPY to backup files but there's no reason to do so anymore. I use
Acronis, but there are plenty of choices out there in softwareland.

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