Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

--

"All simulations are wrong, some are useful"
Barry Gilbert

"Simulation is a lot like masturbation, if you do it enough
it starts to feel like the real thing"
Bud Bennet

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:


http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Jan 7, 6:20*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 6:20*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

No, there isn't.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Jan 7, 9:00*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

No, there isn't.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Well, no, there is no "average global average" but there is, easily
global average air and ocean temperatures. Anything can be averaged if
there is more than one data set.

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:00:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 9:00*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

No, there isn't.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Well, no, there is no "average global average" but there is, easily
global average air and ocean temperatures. Anything can be averaged if
there is more than one data set.

The average of a set of data points is just that. The average of 500
thermometer readings at a single point in time is just that, not the
average temperature of the earth.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

I don't know anything about global averages, but it's 65 degrees ehre
today,a nd is suppose to be anywhere from the mid 50's-60's all week!
pretty warm for this time of year. dark clouds rolling in from the
south. Supposed to start raining tonight for the next couple of days.
Maybe it will filter down to the south and help fill some lakes.



John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:00:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 9:00?am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

No, there isn't.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Well, no, there is no "average global average" but there is, easily
global average air and ocean temperatures. Anything can be averaged if
there is more than one data set.

The average of a set of data points is just that. The average of 500
thermometer readings at a single point in time is just that, not the
average temperature of the earth.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:44:57 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

I don't know anything about global averages, but it's 65 degrees ehre
today,a nd is suppose to be anywhere from the mid 50's-60's all week!
pretty warm for this time of year. dark clouds rolling in from the
south. Supposed to start raining tonight for the next couple of days.
Maybe it will filter down to the south and help fill some lakes.



John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:00:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 9:00?am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

No, there isn't.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Well, no, there is no "average global average" but there is, easily
global average air and ocean temperatures. Anything can be averaged if
there is more than one data set.

The average of a set of data points is just that. The average of 500
thermometer readings at a single point in time is just that, not the
average temperature of the earth.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

If it's 65F there, and it's 57F here, then the average of our two temps is
61F.

I guess that must be the temp of all the earth between us.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 6:20*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

Prove it.

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Jan 7, 10:55*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:44:57 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
I don't know anything about global averages, but it's 65 degrees ehre
today,a nd is suppose to be anywhere from the mid 50's-60's all week!
pretty warm for this time of year. dark clouds rolling in from the
south. Supposed to start raining tonight for the next couple of days.
Maybe it will filter down to the south and help fill some lakes.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:00:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 9:00?am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

No, there isn't.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Well, no, there is no "average global average" but there is, easily
global average air and ocean temperatures. Anything can be averaged if
there is more than one data set.

The average of a set of data points is just that. The average of 500
thermometer readings at a single point in time is just that, not the
average temperature of the earth.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

If it's 65F there, and it's 57F here, then the average of our two temps is
61F.

I guess that must be the temp of all the earth between us.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The more stats, the more the accuracy.

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Jan 7, 10:24*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:00:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 9:00*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

No, there isn't.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Well, no, there is no "average global average" but there is, easily
global average air and ocean temperatures. Anything can be averaged if
there is more than one data set.

The average of a set of data points is just that. The average of 500
thermometer readings at a single point in time is just that, not the
average temperature of the earth.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No one but you said a damned thing about a "single point in time". But
yes, that would be an average AT that "single point in time.

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Jan 7, 11:32*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

Prove it.

If you don't think someone can take data sets and provide an "average"
you certainly can't be shown much, Tom.

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:17:12 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 10:55*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:44:57 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
I don't know anything about global averages, but it's 65 degrees ehre
today,a nd is suppose to be anywhere from the mid 50's-60's all week!
pretty warm for this time of year. dark clouds rolling in from the
south. Supposed to start raining tonight for the next couple of days.
Maybe it will filter down to the south and help fill some lakes.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:00:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 9:00?am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

No, there isn't.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Well, no, there is no "average global average" but there is, easily
global average air and ocean temperatures. Anything can be averaged if
there is more than one data set.

The average of a set of data points is just that. The average of 500
thermometer readings at a single point in time is just that, not the
average temperature of the earth.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

If it's 65F there, and it's 57F here, then the average of our two temps is
61F.

I guess that must be the temp of all the earth between us.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The more stats, the more the accuracy.

You're correct. If I put three more thermometers in Tim's yard, the average
would be 63.4F. Voila - Global Warming!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Jan 7, 1:25*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:17:12 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 10:55*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:44:57 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
I don't know anything about global averages, but it's 65 degrees ehre
today,a nd is suppose to be anywhere from the mid 50's-60's all week!
pretty warm for this time of year. dark clouds rolling in from the
south. Supposed to start raining tonight for the next couple of days.
Maybe it will filter down to the south and help fill some lakes.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:00:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 9:00?am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

No, there isn't.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Well, no, there is no "average global average" but there is, easily
global average air and ocean temperatures. Anything can be averaged if
there is more than one data set.

The average of a set of data points is just that. The average of 500
thermometer readings at a single point in time is just that, not the
average temperature of the earth.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

If it's 65F there, and it's 57F here, then the average of our two temps is
61F.

I guess that must be the temp of all the earth between us.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The more stats, the more the accuracy.

You're correct. If I put three more thermometers in Tim's yard, the average
would be 63.4F. Voila - Global Warming!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

John, are you really that dumb that you don't get averages? Seriously?

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:53:41 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 1:25*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:17:12 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 10:55*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:44:57 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
I don't know anything about global averages, but it's 65 degrees ehre
today,a nd is suppose to be anywhere from the mid 50's-60's all week!
pretty warm for this time of year. dark clouds rolling in from the
south. Supposed to start raining tonight for the next couple of days.
Maybe it will filter down to the south and help fill some lakes.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:00:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 9:00?am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

No, there isn't.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Well, no, there is no "average global average" but there is, easily
global average air and ocean temperatures. Anything can be averaged if
there is more than one data set.

The average of a set of data points is just that. The average of 500
thermometer readings at a single point in time is just that, not the
average temperature of the earth.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

If it's 65F there, and it's 57F here, then the average of our two temps is
61F.

I guess that must be the temp of all the earth between us.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The more stats, the more the accuracy.

You're correct. If I put three more thermometers in Tim's yard, the average
would be 63.4F. Voila - Global Warming!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

John, are you really that dumb that you don't get averages? Seriously?

(65+65+65+65+57)/5 = 63.4
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:19:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 11:32*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

Prove it.

If you don't think someone can take data sets and provide an "average"
you certainly can't be shown much, Tom.

I'll ask you again - prove it.

Hint 1: infinite variables.

Hint 2: It's 25 degrees in Fairbanks and 25 degrees at McMurdo -
what's the average?

Hint 3: You can only develop an accurate data set by averaging
discrete temperatures every square mile of the Earth. That would be
approximately 197,000,000 data reporting instruments.

Hint 4: Account for data variations due to weather, time (more than 50
years), natural diaster and incidents.

Hint 5: What method of averaging would you use? (Sub Hint: There are
as many variations of averaging as there are number sets.)

Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I'll ask you again - prove it.

Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.

555-5555 Am I close? ;)

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:47:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I'll ask you again - prove it.

Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.

555-5555 Am I close? ;)

Missed by a mile.

The analogy is that phone numbers for any given location, locally,
regionally and nationally, change regularly, can be unlisted, may not
even exist except in a queue waiting deployment, and cannot be
averaged because they are too dynamic over time.

A direct comparison to "global temperature average".

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:47:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I'll ask you again - prove it.
Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.
555-5555 Am I close? ;)

Missed by a mile.

The analogy is that phone numbers for any given location, locally,
regionally and nationally, change regularly, can be unlisted, may not
even exist except in a queue waiting deployment, and cannot be
averaged because they are too dynamic over time.

A direct comparison to "global temperature average".

Wait, then how do you know I missed it by a mile? I could be right, in
fact, I am going to take the stand that I absolutely, positively am
right. By a quirk, considering all variables, the average is 555-5555.

Now if you want me to include area codes, I will have to redo my figures.

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:34:22 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:47:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I'll ask you again - prove it.
Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.
555-5555 Am I close? ;)

Missed by a mile.

The analogy is that phone numbers for any given location, locally,
regionally and nationally, change regularly, can be unlisted, may not
even exist except in a queue waiting deployment, and cannot be
averaged because they are too dynamic over time.

A direct comparison to "global temperature average".

Wait, then how do you know I missed it by a mile? I could be right, in
fact, I am going to take the stand that I absolutely, positively am
right. By a quirk, considering all variables, the average is 555-5555.

Quirk this, Variable Boy.

Now if you want me to include area codes, I will have to redo my figures.

Be my guest.

Oh, and please provide me with your entire data set so that I can
proof your calculations.

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:47:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I'll ask you again - prove it.

Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.

555-5555 Am I close? ;)

Forgot the prefix!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:47:13 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I'll ask you again - prove it.

Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.

555-5555 Am I close? ;)

Shouldn't that be 444-4444?

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:02:04 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:47:13 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I'll ask you again - prove it.
Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.
555-5555 Am I close? ;)

Shouldn't that be 444-4444?

NO, you forgot to take into consideration all the variables.

Morons.

Took me five minutes.

867-5309.

~~ snerk ~~

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Jan 7, 4:34*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:02:04 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:47:13 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I'll ask you again - prove it.
Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.
555-5555 *Am I close? *;)

Shouldn't that be 444-4444?

NO, you forgot to take into consideration all the variables.

Morons.

Took me five minutes.

867-5309.

~~ snerk ~~

I was think more like Pennsylvania 6-5000

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:37:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Jan 7, 4:34*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:02:04 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:47:13 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I'll ask you again - prove it.
Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.
555-5555 *Am I close? *;)

Shouldn't that be 444-4444?

NO, you forgot to take into consideration all the variables.

Morons.

Took me five minutes.

867-5309.

~~ snerk ~~

I was think more like Pennsylvania 6-5000

Beechwood 4-5789

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:47:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I'll ask you again - prove it.
Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.
555-5555 Am I close? ;)

Missed by a mile.

The analogy is that phone numbers for any given location, locally,
regionally and nationally, change regularly, can be unlisted, may not
even exist except in a queue waiting deployment, and cannot be
averaged because they are too dynamic over time.

A direct comparison to "global temperature average".

Wait, then how do you know I missed it by a mile? I could be right, in
fact, I am going to take the stand that I absolutely, positively am right.
By a quirk, considering all variables, the average is 555-5555.

Now if you want me to include area codes, I will have to redo my figures.




Bssssst! prefix will not start with a 1 in the first digit.

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

The analogy is that phone numbers for any given location, locally,
regionally and nationally, change regularly, can be unlisted, may not
even exist except in a queue waiting deployment, and cannot be
averaged because they are too dynamic over time.

Oh come on... virtually everything changes over time.

Just how dynamic is too dynamic to allow averaging?

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Hint 3: You can only develop an accurate data set by averaging
discrete temperatures every square mile of the Earth. That would be
approximately 197,000,000 data reporting instruments.

Why not require every square meter or every thousand square
miles? Why not every cubic mile?... seriously.

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:11:36 -0800, -rick- wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Hint 3: You can only develop an accurate data set by averaging
discrete temperatures every square mile of the Earth. That would be
approximately 197,000,000 data reporting instruments.

Why not require every square meter or every thousand square
miles? Why not every cubic mile?... seriously.

He was being gentle. Cubic miles wouldn't work too well, can't get very
deep. Square miles may be a good measure out in Kansas, but in New York the
placement within that square could sure skew data.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Climate Change Impacts on Columbia River Basin
 

On Jan 7, 2:44*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:19:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 11:32*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

Prove it.

If you don't think someone can take data sets and provide an "average"
you certainly can't be shown much, Tom.

I'll ask you again - prove it.

Hint 1: *infinite variables.

There's your mistake, they're not infinite variables. You make the
data set, therefore it's finite.

Hint 2: It's 25 degrees in Fairbanks and 25 degrees at McMurdo -
what's the average?

25 degrees, if they are the same units.

Hint 3: You can only develop an accurate data set by averaging
discrete temperatures every square mile of the Earth. *That would be
approximately 197,000,000 data reporting instruments.

What would make you think that you can only develop an accurate data
set by averaging temps at every square mile? Yes, the more data the
more accuracy, but you can still develop a decent average with less
that 197,000,000 points. Example: Two kids have two cents each. What
is the average? That only used two finite sets.

Hint 4: Account for data variations due to weather, time (more than 50
years), natural diaster and incidents.

An average is an average.

Hint 5: What method of averaging would you use? (Sub Hint: There are
as many variations of averaging as there are number sets.)

Simple, meaning no moving average, or smoothing techniques.

Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Not relevant.

Get back to me when you can.- Hide quoted text -

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I did.

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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:13:17 -0800 (PST), wrote:
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Loogy, you said it all right below:

An average is an average.

We all agree with that statement. The question revolves about the title you
give your average. Apparently that's a point you're not grasping well.

If I take the average of the noon temperature in Seattle (50F)and the 3:00
PM temperature in Washington, DC (64F}, I can then say the average of the
two temperatures at the same time was 57F. If I wanted to be bold, I could
say that the average temperature across the continental US was 57F.

Hopefully, we can both see the stupidity of that 'boldness'.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

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On Jan 8, 9:54*am, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:13:17 -0800 (PST), wrote:

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Loogy, you said it all right below:

An average is an average.

We all agree with that statement. The question revolves about the title you
give your average. Apparently that's a point you're not grasping well.

If I take the average of the noon temperature in Seattle (50F)and the 3:00
PM temperature in Washington, DC (64F}, I can then say the average of the
two temperatures at the same time was 57F. If I wanted to be bold, I could
say that the average temperature across the continental US was 57F.

Hopefully, we can both see the stupidity of that 'boldness'.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

It is what it is. An average. Given enough data sets it gets quite
accurate. There are a lot of things in engineering that were derived
by nothing more than averaging. Case in point. We know that a given
shape of steel, let's say a wide flange shape, with a certain value
for Bf, and a certain value for d and a certain value for k and a
certain value for Tw will fail with a point load of X. How do we know
this? By making them fail. Does every piece of a certain size wide
flange shape break at exactly the same load? Not by a long shot. Want
to guess how we came up with X? Yep, averaging.

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On Jan 8, 12:11*am, -rick- wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Hint 3: You can only develop an accurate data set by averaging
discrete temperatures every square mile of the Earth. *That would be
approximately 197,000,000 data reporting instruments.

Why not require every square meter or every thousand square
miles? *Why not every cubic mile?... seriously.

Exactly!

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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:46:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 8, 9:54*am, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:13:17 -0800 (PST), wrote:

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Loogy, you said it all right below:

An average is an average.

We all agree with that statement. The question revolves about the title you
give your average. Apparently that's a point you're not grasping well.

If I take the average of the noon temperature in Seattle (50F)and the 3:00
PM temperature in Washington, DC (64F}, I can then say the average of the
two temperatures at the same time was 57F. If I wanted to be bold, I could
say that the average temperature across the continental US was 57F.

Hopefully, we can both see the stupidity of that 'boldness'.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

It is what it is. An average. Given enough data sets it gets quite
accurate.

Again, the line above says it all. There have to be 'enough' data sets,
read at the same times, not influenced by man-made structures, etc, etc, in
order to say that the 'average temperature of the earth' is doing anything.

If you said, "The average temperature of these 1279 thermometers read at
1200 hrs, GMT was X," then you'd get no argument. You could make all the
claims you wanted about the 'average temperature of the 1279'!

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:47:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 8, 12:11*am, -rick- wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Hint 3: You can only develop an accurate data set by averaging
discrete temperatures every square mile of the Earth. *That would be
approximately 197,000,000 data reporting instruments.

Why not require every square meter or every thousand square
miles? *Why not every cubic mile?... seriously.

Exactly!

Answered.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:46:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 8, 9:54 am, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:13:17 -0800 (PST), wrote:

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Loogy, you said it all right below:

An average is an average.

We all agree with that statement. The question revolves about the title
you
give your average. Apparently that's a point you're not grasping well.

If I take the average of the noon temperature in Seattle (50F)and the
3:00
PM temperature in Washington, DC (64F}, I can then say the average of
the
two temperatures at the same time was 57F. If I wanted to be bold, I
could
say that the average temperature across the continental US was 57F.

Hopefully, we can both see the stupidity of that 'boldness'.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

It is what it is. An average. Given enough data sets it gets quite
accurate.

Again, the line above says it all. There have to be 'enough' data sets,
read at the same times, not influenced by man-made structures, etc, etc,
in
order to say that the 'average temperature of the earth' is doing
anything.

If you said, "The average temperature of these 1279 thermometers read at
1200 hrs, GMT was X," then you'd get no argument. You could make all the
claims you wanted about the 'average temperature of the 1279'!

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Both wrong. You only need ONE data set. But it needs to be a huge data
set. And do you read all the data points at a single time. Or do your read
all the data points at Noon locally or some other local time point? OR do
you read all the data points at the same relative time. Divide the world in
24 time zones as now? Or into 360 time zones on each degree of the
circumference? As Tom the mathematician says there are lots of different
ways to average.

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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:07:31 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:46:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 8, 9:54 am, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:13:17 -0800 (PST), wrote:

snipped

Loogy, you said it all right below:

An average is an average.

We all agree with that statement. The question revolves about the title
you
give your average. Apparently that's a point you're not grasping well.

If I take the average of the noon temperature in Seattle (50F)and the
3:00
PM temperature in Washington, DC (64F}, I can then say the average of
the
two temperatures at the same time was 57F. If I wanted to be bold, I
could
say that the average temperature across the continental US was 57F.

Hopefully, we can both see the stupidity of that 'boldness'.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

It is what it is. An average. Given enough data sets it gets quite
accurate.

Again, the line above says it all. There have to be 'enough' data sets,
read at the same times, not influenced by man-made structures, etc, etc,
in
order to say that the 'average temperature of the earth' is doing
anything.

If you said, "The average temperature of these 1279 thermometers read at
1200 hrs, GMT was X," then you'd get no argument. You could make all the
claims you wanted about the 'average temperature of the 1279'!

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Both wrong. You only need ONE data set. But it needs to be a huge data
set. And do you read all the data points at a single time. Or do your read
all the data points at Noon locally or some other local time point? OR do
you read all the data points at the same relative time. Divide the world in
24 time zones as now? Or into 360 time zones on each degree of the
circumference? As Tom the mathematician says there are lots of different
ways to average.


Did I say something different?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."