"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:08:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Yeah anyway...back to the subject. Why is Outlook Express awful?

I found it useful in the work environment, and gearheads loved it.
It's a corporate communications/scheduling solution, and works well.
It's complex, has a steep learning curve, and capabilities most never
use. I've heard it can be exploited by hackers, but in the corporate
environment I was in that seldom happened, due to full-time employees
being there to stop that type of thing.
I've used Agent since before Outlook was around, and though there's
some learning curve to pull it's capabilities, it's simpler than
Outlook and easier to use - I think.
It's all personal preference once you get past security/data
integrity. My preference is always simplicity combined with
native ease of data backup. I just don't like *ever* losing
anything unless it's my decision.
I don't do scheduling anymore, or group e-mailing anymore, so I don't
miss Outlook at all. Some hate it just because it's MS.
I'm still using a shareware VB address book app I bought 10 years
ago (called Lifetime) for my address book, but frankly, Notepad
would do, and just a little attention to formatting and doing a find
makes it work well. And plain text has it's benefits. Space is
cheap.

--Vic

I think the question was about Outlook Express not Outlook. I'm sure you
realize they are two different animals.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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I haven't had a single problem with OE since I began using it several
years ago for email & news. I want to know what YOU have PERSONALLY
WITNESSED.


I also have been using it for mail and newsgroups for years with nary a
problem. I've tried Thunderbird and the "free Agent" a while back because
everyone told me how much better they were than OE. I didn't find that to
be the case at all and eventually dumped them and went back to OE.

Many claim that OE is subject to hacks and viruses. Maybe, but I've never
experienced it. I also find it very easy to use for both mail and
newsgroups. I don't use filters much, but when I do, it works fine. I
never see that M??? whatever poster anymore.

Sometimes I think that some of the complaints are simply because it's
Microsoft and it's cool to be anti-Microsoft anything.

Eisboch

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:58:04 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:11:49 -0000, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:02:14 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


Does that depend on how you define HTML email? For instance, I get email
from Barnes & Noble, with pictures, and various parts of the pictures
contain links to different web pages. Is that HTML mail? If so, there
are plenty of non-spam uses for it.

Some would argue Barnes & Noble is spam. Hey, I like the book store, but
I don't like their web bugs.

http://w2.eff.org/Privacy/Marketing/web_bug.html

Best defense against this is not to use a broken or disabled email
client, but to have a configurable firewall that blocks unwanted
intrusion. For instance, I block everything that is *doubleclick*,
*preferences.com*, and even entire Internet registries. I don't know
anybody in the APNIC registry, for example, and I got damn tired of
trying to surgically block every Chinese IT student that had nothing
better to do than port sniff and hack. Blacklists, Tarpitting and
SpamAssasin are also very useful tools......

Try Mailwasher. It's great.
--
John H

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:38:28 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:



I think the question was about Outlook Express not Outlook. I'm sure you
realize they are two different animals.

Riiiiight. Missed that. Though I thought they had similarities.
Never used OE, always didn't install/uninstalled/disabled when
loading the OS. Heard OE was bad, bad, bad, and had my own stuff,
which suited me fine. Anyway, since that's all I know, I'll butt out.

--Vic

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:25:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:17:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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That's like saying a vacuum cleaner does a lousy job of toasting
bagels, so you're going to shop for a better vacuum cleaner.
I don't know about you, but I toast my bagels on the muffler of my
lawn tractor.

Or at this time of year, my big snow blower.
Yeah, but that makes perfect sense. Not a vacuum cleaner, though.
Why not? There is heat generated by the motor - seems to me to be a
pretty simple adaptation.
There was a paperback published some years ago that certainly would
interest Tom if not others. It was a book of roadkill recipes. These
were recipes you could use to heat up on the radiator of your car
while you are driving.

Now, there are other roadkill recipes around, but these were for meals
you could prepare while you travel. On your car engine.

Yeah anyway...back to the subject. Why is Outlook Express awful?

Just type "outlook express problems" into your web browser and have fun.


I haven't had a single problem with OE since I began using it several
years ago for email & news. I want to know what YOU have PERSONALLY
WITNESSED.

Outlook vi-rii and Outlook troublefiles that little twerps around the
world create just for fun.

The virii got into the computer because the user didn't properly maintain
and configure his/her antivirus software.

Not to be pendantic, but as I remember my high school Latin, vir means
man and viri means men.

So if you have men in your email, I'd like to know how they got in
there. :)

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:38:58 -0000, wrote:

Huh? Basic security based on standard security practices. Why does MS
open up holes with HTML email? ActiveX browsing? There's a disaster.
Every piece of software runs risks, but Microsoft tends to go out of it's
way to open up holes.

I mentioned this in another thread in the past couple of weeks.

Here it is in a nutshell.

The more complicated a system is, the easier it is to break.

Simple systems are harder to break.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:49:10 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:32:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:09:18 GMT, wrote:

As far as I know, virii is Martian for "potato salad"

You would be incorrect.

The word virii comes from Omicron Persei VIII and defines the
qualities one needs to be Emperor. It encompasses all the concepts
and theory behind being trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly,
courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and
reverent. Or angry, corrupt, depraved, destructive, foul, loathsome,
malevolent, malicious, spiteful, vicious and villainous.

It also defines the number of potatos one can legally use in potato
salad.

It's a complicated language.

Thanks for the clarification!

ps. potatoes has an "e" in it! ...At least in English. I imagine on Harry's
planet (Hisanus) it's spelled "potatii".

You are correct - the plural of potato is potatoes.

I am shamed.

Ok, maybe not.

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:25:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:17:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

That's like saying a vacuum cleaner does a lousy job of
toasting
bagels, so you're going to shop for a better vacuum
cleaner.
I don't know about you, but I toast my bagels on the
muffler of my
lawn tractor.

Or at this time of year, my big snow blower.
Yeah, but that makes perfect sense. Not a vacuum cleaner,
though.
Why not? There is heat generated by the motor - seems to me
to be a
pretty simple adaptation.
There was a paperback published some years ago that certainly
would
interest Tom if not others. It was a book of roadkill recipes.
These
were recipes you could use to heat up on the radiator of your
car
while you are driving.

Now, there are other roadkill recipes around, but these were
for meals
you could prepare while you travel. On your car engine.
Yeah anyway...back to the subject. Why is Outlook Express
awful?
Just type "outlook express problems" into your web browser and
have fun.
I haven't had a single problem with OE since I began using it
several
years ago for email & news. I want to know what YOU have
PERSONALLY
WITNESSED.
Outlook vi-rii and Outlook troublefiles that little twerps around
the
world create just for fun.
The virii got into the computer because the user didn't properly
maintain
and configure his/her antivirus software.

You can always tell when someone is really an expert. "Virii" is not
only not an English word, it's not a Latin word either.

The plural of virus in English is viruses.

As far as I know, virii is Martian for "potato salad".

I have been unable to find any other references from reputable
sources, or should I say, "sourcii"?
D'oh.

Gee.

Whiz.

No.

Fun.

Allowed.

Virii is a fun word, dumbo.
A "fun word"?

Cite please!


http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/virii.html


Hmm... your cite agress with me!

http://membres.lycos.fr/asle/virii.2.html


This is just some uneducated dope's personal page where they don't
know that the correct plural of virus is viruses. Probably wears his
baseball hat backwards, too.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=virii



They also agree with me, as does EVERY legitimate dictionary ever
published.


Next time, check your chops before you challenge mine.



I think you just chopped yourself off at the knees (kneeii?)




I said it was a "fun" word. It isn't my problem if you don't get it.

No, I asked you for a legitmate cite, and you can't seem to produce
one. Instead you provided 3 links to pages that more or less agree
with me that the use of "virii" indicates a certain lack of education
or expertise. I think you have pretty much confirmed where you fit in.

Can you at least provide a legitimate cite describing "fun word"? For
bonus points, the cite can include virii as an example of a "fun
word".


He provided examples of people using the word because they felt like it.
Unfortunately, they're all wrong. The word is actually viruletti, the plural
of viruletto.

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:46:19 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


Basic security based on what? The known threats on the day the software
was shipped? That would be as useless as a rubber crutch.

Huh? Basic security based on standard security practices. Why does MS
open up holes with HTML email? ActiveX browsing? There's a disaster.
Every piece of software runs risks, but Microsoft tends to go out of it's
way to open up holes.


Both of those things can be shut off easily.



What about software that does NOT connect to the internet? It can still
be a vector for infection if the files it's opening are infected.

Yeah, but these days, most infections come from the internet.


Yeah, obviously, but irrelevant. Lots of software accesses the internet
simply to check for updates. What if Paintshop Pro did that? Do you think it
should contain ways of protecting itself from viruses introduced during that
process? How about viruses in jpg files?

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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I haven't had a single problem with OE since I began using it several
years ago for email & news. I want to know what YOU have PERSONALLY
WITNESSED.


I also have been using it for mail and newsgroups for years with nary a
problem. I've tried Thunderbird and the "free Agent" a while back because
everyone told me how much better they were than OE. I didn't find that
to be the case at all and eventually dumped them and went back to OE.

Many claim that OE is subject to hacks and viruses. Maybe, but I've never
experienced it. I also find it very easy to use for both mail and
newsgroups. I don't use filters much, but when I do, it works fine. I
never see that M??? whatever poster anymore.

Sometimes I think that some of the complaints are simply because it's
Microsoft and it's cool to be anti-Microsoft anything.

Eisboch


Yeah...I agree. They may be whining because it's fashionable. And, my
experiences with other software was roughly as follows:

1) Agent: "Some years ago" - no tech support available. I couldn't even get
pre-purchase questions answered. My main question was whether it could
handle multiple e-mail accounts simultaneously. It couldn't.

2) Thunderbird: Had nothing like the "watch conversation" feature that works
so nicely with newsgroups in OE. I also had issues at the time with the open
sauce* programming community that destroyed certain excellent features in
other Mozilla products, like the bookmark search feature.

*sauce: slang for liquor. Open sauce, pretend to be a programmer, hurl
obscenities at anyone in a newsgroup who questions why you broke a feature
that had worked perfectly for years.