Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Dec 24, 11:30*pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
Merry Festus to all. *And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today. *Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a $50
gift certificate to the store. *Played with it while waiting at the Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. *Pretty cool.

Oh, got the wifee a big one huh, hope you bought some carbon credits
for that monster:O Merry Christmas you ornery old.. oh, just Merry
Christmas dude;)

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today. Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a $50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

"CalifBill" wrote in
:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today.
Was going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for
$249 + a $50 gift certificate to the store. Played with it while
waiting at the Mexican market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty
cool.




Return it right after Xmas and get a refund.

http://www.buy.com/retail/searchresu...u=Garmin+Nuvi+
200W&qxt=home&display=col&dclksa=1
$218 with no tax or shipping from Buy.com.

Use the difference in ANY store, not just overpriced Waste Marine.

Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

Played with it while waiting at the Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales.

Hehe, I don't have to wait... my mother in-law delivered them a few hours
ago g.

--Mike

"CalifBill" wrote in message
...
Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today. Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a
$50 gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the
Mexican market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

Sometimes, I pay more just for sheer convenience... West Marine is one of
those cases... 31 bucks... big deal. The wife is happy.

Merry Christmas.

--Mike

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"CalifBill" wrote in
:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today.
Was going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for
$249 + a $50 gift certificate to the store. Played with it while
waiting at the Mexican market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty
cool.




Return it right after Xmas and get a refund.

http://www.buy.com/retail/searchresu...u=Garmin+Nuvi+
200W&qxt=home&display=col&dclksa=1
$218 with no tax or shipping from Buy.com.

Use the difference in ANY store, not just overpriced Waste Marine.

Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

"Mike" wrote in message
t...
Played with it while waiting at the Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales.

Hehe, I don't have to wait... my mother in-law delivered them a few hours
ago g.

--Mike

"CalifBill" wrote in message
...
Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today. Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a
$50 gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the
Mexican market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.




They were still cooking. Was earlier than I told them I would pick up.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"CalifBill" wrote in
:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today.
Was going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for
$249 + a $50 gift certificate to the store. Played with it while
waiting at the Mexican market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty
cool.




Return it right after Xmas and get a refund.

http://www.buy.com/retail/searchresu...u=Garmin+Nuvi+
200W&qxt=home&display=col&dclksa=1
$218 with no tax or shipping from Buy.com.

Use the difference in ANY store, not just overpriced Waste Marine.

Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?


convenience and the $50 extra I got, that I will spend, makes it cheaper.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:30:56 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today. Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a $50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.


She'll love it, and it will save about $2000 on your next car purchase!
--
John H

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:30:56 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today. Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a $50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.

Merry Christmas dude.

You will like tha unit - it's a nice one.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

Hmmmm.... $250 - $50 in merchandise = $200.... How is that MORE than
$218 even with tax on the $250. (BTW.. I bought the same 200W from
west...best deal going!!)

West may be a little pricier on some items (Compared to the internet)
but my boats would not float without them. I will pay for customer
service and convenience because if we don't support our local stores
they will go out of business then where do we go when we are ready to
leave the dock and something breaks. BTW... I live in Fort Lauderdale
where we have more marine competion than ANYWHERE in the USA... 7 West
stores in Broward county alone along with at least 15 competitor stores
and I still find west to be the least expensive over all and the most
helpful (over all) Maybe it is just in SFL but most of the people in the
store are actual boaters.



Mike wrote:
Sometimes, I pay more just for sheer convenience... West Marine is one of
those cases... 31 bucks... big deal. The wife is happy.

Merry Christmas.

--Mike

"Larry" wrote in message
...

"CalifBill" wrote in
:


Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today.
Was going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for
$249 + a $50 gift certificate to the store. Played with it while
waiting at the Mexican market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty
cool.




Return it right after Xmas and get a refund.

http://www.buy.com/retail/searchresu...u=Garmin+Nuvi+
200W&qxt=home&display=col&dclksa=1
$218 with no tax or shipping from Buy.com.

Use the difference in ANY store, not just overpriced Waste Marine.

Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:30:56 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today. Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a
$50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the
Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.

Merry Christmas dude.

You will like tha unit - it's a nice one.

Merry Christmas to all the gang here.
Last night I loaded my new Topo Canada map software on my computer from the
CDs and then transfered to my Garmin GPSMAP 60CX.
The GPS indicates the Topo mapping is there but I can only get the base map
to show on the screen. D'oh!
I'll try Garmin on-line for help because I won't bother going to the
Binnacle until Friday. Our stores are closed Wednesday and the big Boxing
Day sales take place Thursday the 27th.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:30:56 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today. Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a
$50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the
Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.

Merry Christmas dude.

You will like tha unit - it's a nice one.

Merry Christmas to all the gang here.
Last night I loaded my new Topo Canada map software on my computer from
the CDs and then transfered to my Garmin GPSMAP 60CX.
The GPS indicates the Topo mapping is there but I can only get the base
map to show on the screen. D'oh!
I'll try Garmin on-line for help because I won't bother going to the
Binnacle until Friday. Our stores are closed Wednesday and the big Boxing
Day sales take place Thursday the 27th.
Hoo ra! Remembered that you have to draw a box around the area you want to
transfer. Just did it and all looks well. Trouble is, they only give you a
small memory card with the 60 model, so I can only load the Maritime
Provinces topographical maps in addition to the Blue marine charts I
installed in November.
Looks like I'll be buying a 1 gig card in the near future.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Dec 24, 11:30*pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
Merry Festus to all. *And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today. *Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a $50
gift certificate to the store. *Played with it while waiting at the Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. *Pretty cool.

Wrong again! It's "festivus".

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

JimH wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:30:56 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today. Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a
$50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the
Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.
Merry Christmas dude.

You will like tha unit - it's a nice one.
Merry Christmas to all the gang here.

And back atcha!

After Christmas Mass we opened gifts while drinking Asti mimosa's, eating
cinnamon sticky buns and listening to Christmas music. Turkey is in the
oven (my son wanted a turkey and stuffing as he was at Camp Lejeune on
TGiving). Just the 2 kids, Mrs. H and myself at the house today.

We had a great Christmas Eve at my sisters house. Great
pasta/sausage/meatball dinner. Gift exchange with the kids and then a
"White Elephant" gift exchange with everyone. The entire family (all 18 of
us) had a great time together.

I hope everyone is enjoying the holidays as much as I am. ;-)






Likewise.

I got a pair of engraved Vaqueros in a presentation box.

Well, actually, I got the box. And a certificate.

I have to go fill out the federal and Maryland forms tomorrow and then
wait 10 days. :}

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:30:56 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife
today. Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for
$249 + a $50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the
Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.
Merry Christmas dude.

You will like tha unit - it's a nice one.
Merry Christmas to all the gang here.

And back atcha!

After Christmas Mass we opened gifts while drinking Asti mimosa's,
eating cinnamon sticky buns and listening to Christmas music. Turkey
is in the oven (my son wanted a turkey and stuffing as he was at Camp
Lejeune on TGiving). Just the 2 kids, Mrs. H and myself at the house
today.

We had a great Christmas Eve at my sisters house. Great
pasta/sausage/meatball dinner. Gift exchange with the kids and then a
"White Elephant" gift exchange with everyone. The entire family (all
18 of us) had a great time together.

I hope everyone is enjoying the holidays as much as I am. ;-)






Likewise.

I got a pair of engraved Vaqueros in a presentation box.

Well, actually, I got the box. And a certificate.

I have to go fill out the federal and Maryland forms tomorrow and then
wait 10 days. :}

How narcissistic of you! Sounds like that $1500 office chair that
morphed into an Office Max $39.99 special in your picture.

IF it's true, they are damn ugly firearms and well suited to a limited run.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:30:56 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today. Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a
$50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the
Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.


She'll love it, and it will save about $2000 on your next car purchase!
--
John H

Probably no savings on the next car. then I will inherit the GPS for the
truck. Looking at a Saturn Vue Hybrid for her next car.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:30:56 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today.
Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a
$50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the
Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.

Merry Christmas dude.

You will like tha unit - it's a nice one.

Merry Christmas to all the gang here.
Last night I loaded my new Topo Canada map software on my computer from
the CDs and then transfered to my Garmin GPSMAP 60CX.
The GPS indicates the Topo mapping is there but I can only get the base
map to show on the screen. D'oh!
I'll try Garmin on-line for help because I won't bother going to the
Binnacle until Friday. Our stores are closed Wednesday and the big
Boxing Day sales take place Thursday the 27th.
Hoo ra! Remembered that you have to draw a box around the area you want
to transfer. Just did it and all looks well. Trouble is, they only give
you a small memory card with the 60 model, so I can only load the Maritime
Provinces topographical maps in addition to the Blue marine charts I
installed in November.
Looks like I'll be buying a 1 gig card in the near future.


Buy a 2 gig. One I got for my 76 csx was only about $30 at the local Fry's
electronics.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

"Ed" wrote in message
.. .
Hmmmm.... $250 - $50 in merchandise = $200.... How is that MORE than $218
even with tax on the $250. (BTW.. I bought the same 200W from
west...best deal going!!)

West may be a little pricier on some items (Compared to the internet) but
my boats would not float without them. I will pay for customer service
and convenience because if we don't support our local stores they will go
out of business then where do we go when we are ready to leave the dock
and something breaks. BTW... I live in Fort Lauderdale where we have more
marine competion than ANYWHERE in the USA... 7 West stores in Broward
county alone along with at least 15 competitor stores and I still find
west to be the least expensive over all and the most helpful (over all)
Maybe it is just in SFL but most of the people in the store are actual
boaters.



Mike wrote:
Sometimes, I pay more just for sheer convenience... West Marine is one of
those cases... 31 bucks... big deal. The wife is happy.

Merry Christmas.

--Mike

"Larry" wrote in message
...

"CalifBill" wrote in
:


Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today.
Was going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for
$249 + a $50 gift certificate to the store. Played with it while
waiting at the Mexican market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty
cool.




Return it right after Xmas and get a refund.

http://www.buy.com/retail/searchresu...u=Garmin+Nuvi+
200W&qxt=home&display=col&dclksa=1
$218 with no tax or shipping from Buy.com.

Use the difference in ANY store, not just overpriced Waste Marine.

Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?






They have a greater hardware selection than anyone else in the area. Helps
to have that available.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

wrote in message
...
On Dec 24, 11:30 pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today. Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a
$50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.

Wrong again! It's "festivus".

I realized I type it wrong after I sent it, but the thought is what matters.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:09:50 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:30:56 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today. Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a
$50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the
Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.


She'll love it, and it will save about $2000 on your next car purchase!
--
John H

Probably no savings on the next car. then I will inherit the GPS for the
truck. Looking at a Saturn Vue Hybrid for her next car.


I did a quick look and couldn't find the GPS as an accessory for the Vue.
Does it come with one? When I bought the wife the Highlander, the
'Navigation System' was in the $2000 range. Her Garmin was in the $300
range, and she's very happy with it.
--
John H

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:09:50 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:30:56 -0800, "CalifBill"

wrote:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today.
Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a
$50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the
Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.


She'll love it, and it will save about $2000 on your next car purchase!
--
John H

Probably no savings on the next car. then I will inherit the GPS for the
truck. Looking at a Saturn Vue Hybrid for her next car.


I did a quick look and couldn't find the GPS as an accessory for the Vue.
Does it come with one? When I bought the wife the Highlander, the
'Navigation System' was in the $2000 range. Her Garmin was in the $300
range, and she's very happy with it.
--
John H


You bought her the Highlander????
I thought she was a teacher...and capable of her own purchases?
Does she have to give you her paycheque....do you dole out an allowance to
her?

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:44:56 -0500, JG2U wrote:

I recently heard a story that pointed out that a typical hybrid has a
negative impact on the environment. A fuel efficient "normal" car
actually has an edge after you factor in the manufacturing impact of the
hybrid's components.

But it is the feel-good thing to do.

You recently heard a "story". That about sums it up. I'm guessing the
story you are referring to is "Dust to Dust: The Energy Costs of New
Vehicles From Concept to Disposal". It's findings don't hold up.

http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integr.../case_studies/
hummer_vs_prius.pdf

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:44:56 -0500, JG2U wrote:

I recently heard a story that pointed out that a typical hybrid has a
negative impact on the environment. A fuel efficient "normal" car
actually has an edge after you factor in the manufacturing impact of the
hybrid's components.

But it is the feel-good thing to do.

You recently heard a "story". That about sums it up. I'm guessing the
story you are referring to is "Dust to Dust: The Energy Costs of New
Vehicles From Concept to Disposal". It's findings don't hold up.

http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integr.../case_studies/
hummer_vs_prius.pdf


Unfortunately, we've knee-deep in luddites who don't think it is
important or necessary to do anything to try to save energy or to shift
to alternative sources.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:53:05 -0000, wrote:

hummer_vs_prius.pdf

"Closer inspection suggests that the report’s conclusions rely on
faulty methods of analysis, untenable assumptions, selective use and
presentation of data, and a complete lack of peer review. Even the
most cursory look reveals serious biases and flaws:"

Sounds like the "Inconvenient Truth". :)

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:54:51 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:44:56 -0500, JG2U wrote:

I recently heard a story that pointed out that a typical hybrid has a
negative impact on the environment. A fuel efficient "normal" car
actually has an edge after you factor in the manufacturing impact of the
hybrid's components.

But it is the feel-good thing to do.

You recently heard a "story". That about sums it up. I'm guessing the
story you are referring to is "Dust to Dust: The Energy Costs of New
Vehicles From Concept to Disposal". It's findings don't hold up.

http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integr.../case_studies/
hummer_vs_prius.pdf

Unfortunately, we've knee-deep in luddites who don't think it is
important or necessary to do anything to try to save energy or to shift
to alternative sources.

I look at it this way - the faster we use up fossil fuels, the faster
something new will come along to replace it.

From a historical perspective, it fits perfectly.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:53:05 -0000, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:44:56 -0500, JG2U wrote:

I recently heard a story that pointed out that a typical hybrid has a
negative impact on the environment. A fuel efficient "normal" car
actually has an edge after you factor in the manufacturing impact of the
hybrid's components.

But it is the feel-good thing to do.

You recently heard a "story". That about sums it up. I'm guessing the
story you are referring to is "Dust to Dust: The Energy Costs of New
Vehicles From Concept to Disposal". It's findings don't hold up.

http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integr.../case_studies/
hummer_vs_prius.pdf


The pacinst folks say this: "The Integrity of Science Initiative responds
to and counters the assault on science and scientific integrity in the
public policy arena, especially on issues related to water, climate change,
and security." But, although the phrase 'Integrity of Science' is used, the
whole site seems to lean in only one direction and present only one side of
the stroy.

That's not to say that the 'Hummer vs Prius' study was accurate (or
flawed), only to make an observation.

I wonder what would be their response to:

http://www.newstatesman.com/200712190004
--
John H

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:54:51 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:44:56 -0500, JG2U wrote:

I recently heard a story that pointed out that a typical hybrid has a
negative impact on the environment. A fuel efficient "normal" car
actually has an edge after you factor in the manufacturing impact of the
hybrid's components.

But it is the feel-good thing to do.
You recently heard a "story". That about sums it up. I'm guessing the
story you are referring to is "Dust to Dust: The Energy Costs of New
Vehicles From Concept to Disposal". It's findings don't hold up.

http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integr.../case_studies/
hummer_vs_prius.pdf
Unfortunately, we've knee-deep in luddites who don't think it is
important or necessary to do anything to try to save energy or to shift
to alternative sources.

I look at it this way - the faster we use up fossil fuels, the faster
something new will come along to replace it.

From a historical perspective, it fits perfectly.


Yeah, but you are an old fa^t like me, and it really doesn't matter to
either of us, because we'll both be pushing up daisies before we run out
of oil.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:19:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:53:05 -0000, wrote:

hummer_vs_prius.pdf

"Closer inspection suggests that the report’s conclusions rely on
faulty methods of analysis, untenable assumptions, selective use and
presentation of data, and a complete lack of peer review. Even the
most cursory look reveals serious biases and flaws:"

Sounds like the "Inconvenient Truth". :)

That was quite low and uncalled for.
--
John H

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:21:26 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Unfortunately, we've knee-deep in luddites who don't think it is
important or necessary to do anything to try to save energy or to shift
to alternative sources.

I look at it this way - the faster we use up fossil fuels, the faster
something new will come along to replace it.

From a historical perspective, it fits perfectly.

As a fuel, yes, but what about all the other uses of petroleum,
medicines, fertilizers, plastics, etc. Oil is a gift, and some would
argue it's too important to be squandered as fuel.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:14:36 -0500, JG2U wrote:

The battery
pollution is substantial because the creation of the batteries requires
destructive mining to produce the batteries and the caustic substances
that power the batteries must later be disposed of.

80%, by weight, of a car, is now recycled. I'm sure batteries are
included. And, we recycle 95% of the cars retired from service.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:34:09 -0000, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:21:26 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Unfortunately, we've knee-deep in luddites who don't think it is
important or necessary to do anything to try to save energy or to shift
to alternative sources.

I look at it this way - the faster we use up fossil fuels, the faster
something new will come along to replace it.

From a historical perspective, it fits perfectly.

As a fuel, yes, but what about all the other uses of petroleum,
medicines, fertilizers, plastics, etc. Oil is a gift, and some would
argue it's too important to be squandered as fuel.

Good point.

Although if we don't use up fossil fuels, how do we get to
replicators?

"Tea - Earl Grey - hot".

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:47:56 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Here's a big question: who the hell is Stephanie Yanez?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbbrwlzJjX4

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:59:03 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:47:56 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Here's a big question: who the hell is Stephanie Yanez?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbbrwlzJjX4

Almost makes sense, but I suspect that isn't the one.....

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That's a sight for sore ears.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:44:56 -0500, JG2U wrote:

I recently heard a story that pointed out that a typical hybrid has a
negative impact on the environment. A fuel efficient "normal" car
actually has an edge after you factor in the manufacturing impact of the
hybrid's components.

But it is the feel-good thing to do.

You recently heard a "story". That about sums it up. I'm guessing the
story you are referring to is "Dust to Dust: The Energy Costs of New
Vehicles From Concept to Disposal". It's findings don't hold up.

http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integr.../case_studies/
hummer_vs_prius.pdf

Total enviromental cost is very high for hybrids and all electric. The
Batteries are the major item on both electric and hybrids. Total electric is
worse in they mostly moved the smog generating location to another place
from the car. And the range is not great enough to be a single car for a
family. The lead mining and smelting is very enviro negative. But the
milage is great, the tax rebate will allow me to have Harry & loogie help
pay for my car. Because the first grandbaby is due in April and daughter
and SIL live in SoCal I figure we are going to do a lot of 350 mile each way
road trips a year.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

"Don White" wrote in message
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:09:50 -0800, "CalifBill"

wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:30:56 -0800, "CalifBill"

wrote:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today.
Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 +
a
$50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the
Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.


She'll love it, and it will save about $2000 on your next car purchase!
--
John H

Probably no savings on the next car. then I will inherit the GPS for the
truck. Looking at a Saturn Vue Hybrid for her next car.


I did a quick look and couldn't find the GPS as an accessory for the Vue.
Does it come with one? When I bought the wife the Highlander, the
'Navigation System' was in the $2000 range. Her Garmin was in the $300
range, and she's very happy with it.
--
John H


You bought her the Highlander????
I thought she was a teacher...and capable of her own purchases?
Does she have to give you her paycheque....do you dole out an allowance to
her?


It's a guy thing here in the USA. We get to buy the vehicles and the wife
specifies everything else (except the boat).

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:20:33 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:44:56 -0500, JG2U wrote:

I recently heard a story that pointed out that a typical hybrid has a
negative impact on the environment. A fuel efficient "normal" car
actually has an edge after you factor in the manufacturing impact of
the
hybrid's components.

But it is the feel-good thing to do.

You recently heard a "story". That about sums it up. I'm guessing the
story you are referring to is "Dust to Dust: The Energy Costs of New
Vehicles From Concept to Disposal". It's findings don't hold up.

http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integr.../case_studies/
hummer_vs_prius.pdf

Total enviromental cost is very high for hybrids and all electric. The
Batteries are the major item on both electric and hybrids. Total electric
is
worse in they mostly moved the smog generating location to another place
from the car. And the range is not great enough to be a single car for a
family. The lead mining and smelting is very enviro negative. But the
milage is great, the tax rebate will allow me to have Harry & loogie help
pay for my car. Because the first grandbaby is due in April and daughter
and SIL live in SoCal I figure we are going to do a lot of 350 mile each
way
road trips a year.


Hybrids don't really save much if you do a lot of highway driving.



wife also does a lot of round town driving and the Vue gets decent mileage.
The hybrid is actually the Honda motor.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:52:08 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:09:50 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:30:56 -0800, "CalifBill"

wrote:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today.
Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a
$50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the
Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.


She'll love it, and it will save about $2000 on your next car purchase!
--
John H

Probably no savings on the next car. then I will inherit the GPS for the
truck. Looking at a Saturn Vue Hybrid for her next car.

I did a quick look and couldn't find the GPS as an accessory for the Vue.
Does it come with one? When I bought the wife the Highlander, the
'Navigation System' was in the $2000 range. Her Garmin was in the $300
range, and she's very happy with it.

You bought her the Highlander????
I thought she was a teacher...and capable of her own purchases?
Does she have to give you her paycheque....do you dole out an allowance to
her?

I get an allowance from Mrs. Wave every week.

If she didn't do that, there would be a freakin' fleet of center
consoles sitting in the driveway. :)

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:15:28 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:56:45 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:34:09 -0000, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:21:26 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Unfortunately, we've knee-deep in luddites who don't think it is
important or necessary to do anything to try to save energy or to shift
to alternative sources.

I look at it this way - the faster we use up fossil fuels, the faster
something new will come along to replace it.

From a historical perspective, it fits perfectly.

As a fuel, yes, but what about all the other uses of petroleum,
medicines, fertilizers, plastics, etc. Oil is a gift, and some would
argue it's too important to be squandered as fuel.

Good point.

Although if we don't use up fossil fuels, how do we get to
replicators?

"Tea - Earl Grey - hot".

I'm afraid of replicators.....

Different replicators.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:08:09 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Perhaps an "energy race" similar to the "space race" would be a good
idea. There were people in the late 50's and early 60's that thought
that was the most ridiculous thing conceivable..... but the benefits
continue to accrue to this day. I'd like to see any sort of technology
that would free us from the shackles of foreign oil and return some
value to the American Dollar.

Diesel Electric.

I'm telling you, that's the only way to go.

Merry Christmas all and got the wife a GPS.
 

John H. wrote:


I did a quick look and couldn't find the GPS as an accessory for the Vue.
Does it come with one? When I bought the wife the Highlander, the
'Navigation System' was in the $2000 range. Her Garmin was in the $300
range, and she's very happy with it.

I have a Garmin c330 I bought prior to buying my newest tow vehicle.
The Garmin GPS is so much easier to use than the one installed in the
$65K!!! SUV. I'll never buy that option again unless (as in this case)
it was part of a package I wanted. I now have two GPS's in one vehicle
but I only use the Garmin. Maybe the Germans will catch up one day but
I still like the portability.

You made the right move.

Dan