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Tim December 22nd 07 04:16 AM

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But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm

HK December 22nd 07 04:17 AM

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Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm



You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?


John H. December 22nd 07 04:33 AM

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm



You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?


Which will all go away if a Democrat gets elected, right Harry?
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

[email protected] December 22nd 07 04:35 AM

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On Dec 21, 11:17*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm


You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?


Blah, blah, blah.....

Mike[_6_] December 22nd 07 05:16 AM

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OMFG!

--Mike

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm



You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?




Calif Bill December 22nd 07 05:33 AM

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm



You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?


Also the fact that the NIMBY's will not let new oil refineries be built.
That the refineries can not find enough Certified Welders to do the upgrades
needed. Maybe we need to ****can the teachers unions and administrators
that think all students should be College Prep track.



[email protected] December 22nd 07 10:22 AM

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:33:10 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm


Also the fact that the NIMBY's will not let new oil refineries be built.
That the refineries can not find enough Certified Welders to do the
upgrades needed. Maybe we need to ****can the teachers unions and
administrators that think all students should be College Prep track.


Did anyone else notice the date on that article? It was about the summer
of 2007, and was obviously wrong about the $4 gasoline.

You think it's the teachers fault everyone wants to go to college? The
average high school graduate earns an average of $1.2 million over his
working life. The average bachelor's degree holder earns around $2.1
million. It's supply and demand. You want more welders, pay more.

http://www.ericdigests.org/2003-3/value.htm

Short Wave Sportfishing December 22nd 07 12:14 PM

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:16:07 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm


Check the date of the article Tim.

Short Wave Sportfishing December 22nd 07 12:14 PM

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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:22:41 -0000, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:33:10 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm

Also the fact that the NIMBY's will not let new oil refineries be built.
That the refineries can not find enough Certified Welders to do the
upgrades needed. Maybe we need to ****can the teachers unions and
administrators that think all students should be College Prep track.


Did anyone else notice the date on that article? It was about the summer
of 2007, and was obviously wrong about the $4 gasoline.


Noticed it and replied.

Short Wave Sportfishing December 22nd 07 12:17 PM

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm


You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?


Lyndon Larouche IS alive and well and living in Virginia.

Which, now that I think about it, is true.

Check the date Harry.

HK December 22nd 07 12:32 PM

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm

You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?


Lyndon Larouche IS alive and well and living in Virginia.

Which, now that I think about it, is true.

Check the date Harry.



It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline. Are you
denying that Dicque Cheney held "secret" national energy policy meetings
with big oil that to this day are a closely held secret of the
administration? What do you think they discussed? How to help the
American consumer, or how to fleece the consumer and increase corporate
profits?

Tim December 22nd 07 01:01 PM

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On Dec 22, 6:14*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:16:07 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm


Check the date of the article Tim.


I could blame AOL, because it ust popped up on the computers home page
last night, Unless they're desparate for news. which they probably
are. I don't know why AOL hasn't tanked already...

I didn't realize it was "old" stuff, but so be it. I don't want to see
$4.00 gas regardless....

BAR December 22nd 07 01:26 PM

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HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm



You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab states?


Whooop, whooop, whooop, I think Harry has joined Chuck and Larry in the
black helicopter club.

HK December 22nd 07 01:30 PM

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BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm



You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?


Whooop, whooop, whooop, I think Harry has joined Chuck and Larry in the
black helicopter club.



Are you denying that Dick Cheney established a national energy policy
with "big oil" in his secret meetings, or that there is collusion
between "big oil" and the Arab states?

Be careful, now, Bertbrain. Those two rotifers spinning around in your
head can't stand much strain.

BAR December 22nd 07 02:06 PM

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm


You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?


Whooop, whooop, whooop, I think Harry has joined Chuck and Larry in
the black helicopter club.



Are you denying that Dick Cheney established a national energy policy
with "big oil" in his secret meetings, or that there is collusion
between "big oil" and the Arab states?


I don't remember hearing you moan, bitch and complain when Hilary came
up with her health care reform.

Be careful, now, Bertbrain. Those two rotifers spinning around in your
head can't stand much strain.


Those who see conspiracy at every turn are the ones who need to have
their head checked, see your Dr. Dr. wife maybe she can help you.

William Bruce December 22nd 07 03:46 PM

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It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline. Are you
denying that Dicque Cheney held "secret" national energy policy meetings
with big oil that to this day are a closely held secret of the
administration? What do you think they discussed? How to help the American
consumer, or how to fleece the consumer and increase corporate profits?


Maybe they discussed a charitable donation from big oil to fund research
into a cure for NPD.



Eisboch December 22nd 07 04:53 PM

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...

You need to do a bit of fact checking. The oil companies, themselves,
have decreased the number of refineries. Check and see how many there
were 30 years ago and see how many we have, now.

Bean counters know that you can enhance profits by *artificially
creating* a higher demand. Add that to a demand that *is* increasing
and you have $3/gal. gasoline.

And here's another one..... why is diesel fuel $3.50?



The problem with this issue is who do you believe.

This report blames the oil companies:
http://www.citizen.org/cmep/energy_e...s.cfm?ID=11829

This one blames excessive environmental regulations:
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba603/


They do share one thing though. Both also blame the government. :-)

Eisboch



Calif Bill December 22nd 07 06:27 PM

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wrote in message
...
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:33:10 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm


Also the fact that the NIMBY's will not let new oil refineries be built.
That the refineries can not find enough Certified Welders to do the
upgrades needed. Maybe we need to ****can the teachers unions and
administrators that think all students should be College Prep track.


Did anyone else notice the date on that article? It was about the summer
of 2007, and was obviously wrong about the $4 gasoline.

You think it's the teachers fault everyone wants to go to college? The
average high school graduate earns an average of $1.2 million over his
working life. The average bachelor's degree holder earns around $2.1
million. It's supply and demand. You want more welders, pay more.

http://www.ericdigests.org/2003-3/value.htm


I paid $3.999 / gallon for diesel in Barstow Thanksgiving week. It is the
school administrations that decided everyone should go to college. Not the
students. 20% or so should go to college, that is the group that is both
smart enough and motivated to go to college. One of the reasons there is
such a high dropout rate from high and junior high school is the lack of
motivation. And boredom. Average welder, especially in the petroleum
industry is probably knocking down a $60-70k / year salary without overtime.
We also need automotive technicians, lots of skilled jobs not requiring
college degrees are wanting. Give the young people an insight into the real
world while in elementary, middle and high school. And a basis to make a
living.



Calif Bill December 22nd 07 06:28 PM

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm
You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?


Lyndon Larouche IS alive and well and living in Virginia.

Which, now that I think about it, is true.

Check the date Harry.



It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline. Are you
denying that Dicque Cheney held "secret" national energy policy meetings
with big oil that to this day are a closely held secret of the
administration? What do you think they discussed? How to help the American
consumer, or how to fleece the consumer and increase corporate profits?


Maybe they were also having a secret meeting on healthcare reform.



Calif Bill December 22nd 07 06:35 PM

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...

You need to do a bit of fact checking. The oil companies, themselves,
have decreased the number of refineries. Check and see how many there
were 30 years ago and see how many we have, now.

Bean counters know that you can enhance profits by *artificially
creating* a higher demand. Add that to a demand that *is* increasing
and you have $3/gal. gasoline.

And here's another one..... why is diesel fuel $3.50?



The problem with this issue is who do you believe.

This report blames the oil companies:
http://www.citizen.org/cmep/energy_e...s.cfm?ID=11829

This one blames excessive environmental regulations:
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba603/


They do share one thing though. Both also blame the government. :-)

Eisboch



And some of the refineries closed as there was not enough oil in the area to
support the refinery and the cost and difficulty of bringing in more oil,
was both to costly or government permit disallowed. The Shell refinery in
"The Oil Patch" of SoCal is one of the ones prominently mentioned. It was
build to refine the oil from the local oil field. The field is at end of
life. The are no ports next to the field, so you build a pipeline to feed
an old, wore out refinery. Take the same amount of money to build the
pipeline and upgrade the refinery, and you have enough to build a new one
next to a transport hub. Plus a few years ago, the oil companies had a 2%
ROI, where were the tears from the users then? HK sells is writing for what
the market can bear, why should the oil companies be different. Same with
the excess fees charged by brokerage houses until Charles Schwab introduced
the discount brokerage and competition.



Don White December 22nd 07 06:42 PM

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:33:10 -0800, Calif Bill penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


"HK" wrote in message
m...
Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm


You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?


Also the fact that the NIMBY's will not let new oil refineries be built.
That the refineries can not find enough Certified Welders to do the
upgrades
needed. Maybe we need to ****can the teachers unions and administrators
that think all students should be College Prep track.


You need to do a bit of fact checking. The oil companies, themselves,
have decreased the number of refineries. Check and see how many there
were 30 years ago and see how many we have, now.

Bean counters know that you can enhance profits by *artificially
creating* a higher demand. Add that to a demand that *is* increasing
and you have $3/gal. gasoline.

And here's another one..... why is diesel fuel $3.50?

--

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Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
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I agree. In this city two of the three oil refineries shut down and
dismantled in the last 20 years.



[email protected] December 22nd 07 08:34 PM

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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:27:03 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:

Average welder,
especially in the petroleum industry is probably knocking down a $60-70k
/ year salary without overtime.


Like I said, it's supply and demand. If there is a shortage of welders,
pay more.

Short Wave Sportfishing December 22nd 07 09:20 PM

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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:32:52 -0500, HK wrote:

It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.


I ihghly doubt that we will see that in the next 5 to 10 years. Maybe
a disruption might cause it, but not now.

On a completely different note:

Are you
denying that Dicque Cheney held "secret" national energy policy meetings
with big oil that to this day are a closely held secret of the
administration? What do you think they discussed? How to help the
American consumer, or how to fleece the consumer and increase corporate
profits


I don't know what was discussed - I wasn't there.

And neither were you.

I would assume that price was discussed - it would seem to me to be a
natural point to start the discussion.

However I would point out to you that none other than your own St.
Gore proposed a doubling of gasoline prices (by a combination of
wholesale price rise and taxattion) as a way to keep the use of
gasoline limited thus reducing emissions - I think he called it an
environmental and economic win-win.

"Earth in the Balance - Ecology and the Human Spirit", ISBN
0-452-26935-0, 1992. Strangely he stayed away from this policy
statement in his "Inconvienent Truth" which was based almost entirely
on "Earth in the Balance".

So if the effect of the "conspiracy" is exactly what St. Gore and the
environmentalist lobby have wanted all along, isn't that a good thing?

Or is the problem that it was accomplished by somebody other than a
Democrat?

On it's face, if you were a conspiracy theorist (not that you are of
course) it would seem to be the perfect storm, if you will, of Big Oil
getting theirs (more money) and environmentalists getting theirs (less
gasoline use). Oh, let's not leave the auto makers out of this
because they will be subsidized to "solve" the economy problem thus
getting theirs.

D.Duck December 22nd 07 09:33 PM

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:32:52 -0500, HK wrote:

It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.


I ihghly doubt that we will see that in the next 5 to 10 years. Maybe
a disruption might cause it, but not now.

On a completely different note:

Are you
denying that Dicque Cheney held "secret" national energy policy meetings
with big oil that to this day are a closely held secret of the
administration? What do you think they discussed? How to help the
American consumer, or how to fleece the consumer and increase corporate
profits


I don't know what was discussed - I wasn't there.

And neither were you.

I would assume that price was discussed - it would seem to me to be a
natural point to start the discussion.

However I would point out to you that none other than your own St.
Gore proposed a doubling of gasoline prices (by a combination of
wholesale price rise and taxattion) as a way to keep the use of
gasoline limited thus reducing emissions - I think he called it an
environmental and economic win-win.

"Earth in the Balance - Ecology and the Human Spirit", ISBN
0-452-26935-0, 1992. Strangely he stayed away from this policy
statement in his "Inconvienent Truth" which was based almost entirely
on "Earth in the Balance".

So if the effect of the "conspiracy" is exactly what St. Gore and the
environmentalist lobby have wanted all along, isn't that a good thing?

Or is the problem that it was accomplished by somebody other than a
Democrat?

On it's face, if you were a conspiracy theorist (not that you are of
course) it would seem to be the perfect storm, if you will, of Big Oil
getting theirs (more money) and environmentalists getting theirs (less
gasoline use). Oh, let's not leave the auto makers out of this
because they will be subsidized to "solve" the economy problem thus
getting theirs.


Well put, I think you missed your calling. Politics? :)



HK December 22nd 07 10:02 PM

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:32:52 -0500, HK wrote:

It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.


I ihghly doubt that we will see that in the next 5 to 10 years. Maybe
a disruption might cause it, but not now.

On a completely different note:

Are you
denying that Dicque Cheney held "secret" national energy policy meetings
with big oil that to this day are a closely held secret of the
administration? What do you think they discussed? How to help the
American consumer, or how to fleece the consumer and increase corporate
profits


I don't know what was discussed - I wasn't there.

And neither were you.

I would assume that price was discussed - it would seem to me to be a
natural point to start the discussion.

However I would point out to you that none other than your own St.
Gore proposed a doubling of gasoline prices (by a combination of
wholesale price rise and taxattion) as a way to keep the use of
gasoline limited thus reducing emissions - I think he called it an
environmental and economic win-win.



If the money raised were properly spent on the development of
alternative fuels and on forced higher performance of vehicles, we'd be
way ahead of the game by now and beginning to lose our dependence upon
Muslim oil.

HK December 22nd 07 10:18 PM

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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:32:52 -0500, HK wrote:

It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.
I ihghly doubt that we will see that in the next 5 to 10 years. Maybe
a disruption might cause it, but not now.

On a completely different note:

Are you denying that Dicque Cheney held "secret" national energy policy
meetings
with big oil that to this day are a closely held secret of the
administration? What do you think they discussed? How to help the
American consumer, or how to fleece the consumer and increase corporate
profits
I don't know what was discussed - I wasn't there.

And neither were you.

I would assume that price was discussed - it would seem to me to be a
natural point to start the discussion.

However I would point out to you that none other than your own St.
Gore proposed a doubling of gasoline prices (by a combination of
wholesale price rise and taxattion) as a way to keep the use of
gasoline limited thus reducing emissions - I think he called it an
environmental and economic win-win.


If the money raised were properly spent on the development of alternative
fuels and on forced higher performance of vehicles, we'd be way ahead of
the game by now and beginning to lose our dependence upon Muslim oil.


Why does the government have to pay for the research and development?




So the people own the technology and can license it to manufacturers or
processors who agree to reasonable profits, of course.

Tim December 22nd 07 10:19 PM

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On Dec 22, 4:09*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

. ..





Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:32:52 -0500, HK wrote:


It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.


I ihghly doubt that we will see that in the next 5 to 10 years. *Maybe
a disruption might cause it, but not now.


On a completely different note:


Are you denying that Dicque Cheney held "secret" national energy policy
meetings
with big oil that to this day are a closely held secret of the
administration? What do you think they discussed? How to help the
American consumer, or how to fleece the consumer and increase corporate
profits


I don't know what was discussed - I wasn't there.


And neither were you.


I would assume that price was discussed - it would seem to me to be a
natural point to start the discussion.


However I would point out to you that none other than your own St.
Gore proposed a doubling of gasoline prices (by a combination of
wholesale price rise and taxattion) as a way to keep the use of
gasoline limited thus reducing emissions - I think he called it an
environmental and economic win-win.


If the money raised were properly spent on the development of alternative
fuels and on forced higher performance of vehicles, we'd be way ahead of
the game by now and beginning to lose our dependence upon Muslim oil.


Why does the government have to pay for the research and development?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Jim, in a utopious, socialistic, society, isn't the government
supposed to pay for everything???

Short Wave Sportfishing December 22nd 07 10:30 PM

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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:02:24 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:32:52 -0500, HK wrote:

It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.


I ihghly doubt that we will see that in the next 5 to 10 years. Maybe
a disruption might cause it, but not now.

On a completely different note:

Are you
denying that Dicque Cheney held "secret" national energy policy meetings
with big oil that to this day are a closely held secret of the
administration? What do you think they discussed? How to help the
American consumer, or how to fleece the consumer and increase corporate
profits


I don't know what was discussed - I wasn't there.

And neither were you.

I would assume that price was discussed - it would seem to me to be a
natural point to start the discussion.

However I would point out to you that none other than your own St.
Gore proposed a doubling of gasoline prices (by a combination of
wholesale price rise and taxattion) as a way to keep the use of
gasoline limited thus reducing emissions - I think he called it an
environmental and economic win-win.


If the money raised were properly spent on the development of
alternative fuels and on forced higher performance of vehicles, we'd be
way ahead of the game by now and beginning to lose our dependence upon
Muslim oil.


If the monied interests who keep us from exploring off the East and
West coast for the potential oil fields which could equal if not
surpass those in the Middle East, we'd be way ahead of the game by
now.

Think Brazil.

Eisboch December 22nd 07 11:39 PM

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"JimH" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
. ..

So the people own the technology and can license it to manufacturers or
processors who agree to reasonable profits, of course.



I wonder if Richard received tax dollars to fund the startup of his
company and the research/development needed to get it off the ground?



I can assure you that Richard did not "receive" any tax dollars.
Quite the contrary.

Eisboch (Richard)




Dan December 23rd 07 12:04 AM

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HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm



You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab states?

Did you notice that the all-time high was $1.35/gallon on Jimmy Carter's
watch? That's $3.13 adjusted for inflation according to the article.

[email protected] December 23rd 07 12:06 AM

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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:30:31 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


If the monied interests who keep us from exploring off the East and West
coast for the potential oil fields which could equal if not surpass
those in the Middle East, we'd be way ahead of the game by now.

Think Brazil.


It isn't the middle east. It's the dependence on foreign oil. When the
oil dollars flow, they all get corrupt.

Think Chavez.

Dan December 23rd 07 12:06 AM

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HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:32:52 -0500, HK wrote:

It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.
I ihghly doubt that we will see that in the next 5 to 10 years. Maybe
a disruption might cause it, but not now.

On a completely different note:

Are you denying that Dicque Cheney held "secret" national energy
policy meetings
with big oil that to this day are a closely held secret of the
administration? What do you think they discussed? How to help the
American consumer, or how to fleece the consumer and increase
corporate profits
I don't know what was discussed - I wasn't there.

And neither were you.

I would assume that price was discussed - it would seem to me to be a
natural point to start the discussion.

However I would point out to you that none other than your own St.
Gore proposed a doubling of gasoline prices (by a combination of
wholesale price rise and taxattion) as a way to keep the use of
gasoline limited thus reducing emissions - I think he called it an
environmental and economic win-win.

If the money raised were properly spent on the development of
alternative fuels and on forced higher performance of vehicles, we'd
be way ahead of the game by now and beginning to lose our dependence
upon Muslim oil.


Why does the government have to pay for the research and development?



So the people own the technology and can license it to manufacturers or
processors who agree to reasonable profits, of course.


"who agree to reasonable profits"? That's collusion, Harry. Don't
confuse it with (the diminishing) collective bargaining you love so much.

Eisboch December 23rd 07 12:07 AM

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"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"JimH" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
. ..

So the people own the technology and can license it to manufacturers or
processors who agree to reasonable profits, of course.


I wonder if Richard received tax dollars to fund the startup of his
company and the research/development needed to get it off the ground?



I can assure you that Richard did not "receive" any tax dollars.
Quite the contrary.

Eisboch (Richard)




Thanks. I guessed that and brought your success story (most likely filled
with substantial risks and costs at the onset) into the picture to make my
point with Harry.

Maybe he now understands. ;-)


Well, although I'd love to think it was "success", the truth is it was pure,
simple shear luck.
I was in the right place at the right time, but that's the American way.

Eisboch



Don White December 23rd 07 12:27 AM

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"JimH" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm
You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?

Lyndon Larouche IS alive and well and living in Virginia.

Which, now that I think about it, is true.

Check the date Harry.



It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.



$2.64 at the corner gas stations today.


mmm let's see... local price of $1.13 per liter x 3.78 = $4.27 an American
gallon.
Been there, done that! What makes it even worse, our loonie is worth
slightly more than the American dollar.



Short Wave Sportfishing December 23rd 07 01:16 AM

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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:27:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm
You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?

Lyndon Larouche IS alive and well and living in Virginia.

Which, now that I think about it, is true.

Check the date Harry.


It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.



$2.64 at the corner gas stations today.


mmm let's see... local price of $1.13 per liter x 3.78 = $4.27 an American
gallon.
Been there, done that! What makes it even worse, our loonie is worth
slightly more than the American dollar.


Not anymore it's not.

..9943 at last trade. :)

Don White December 23rd 07 02:14 AM

CRAP! I hate this.....
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:27:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
.. .

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm
You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?

Lyndon Larouche IS alive and well and living in Virginia.

Which, now that I think about it, is true.

Check the date Harry.


It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.


$2.64 at the corner gas stations today.


mmm let's see... local price of $1.13 per liter x 3.78 = $4.27 an
American
gallon.
Been there, done that! What makes it even worse, our loonie is worth
slightly more than the American dollar.


Not anymore it's not.

.9943 at last trade. :)



You wish!
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/rates/exchange.html



Short Wave Sportfishing December 23rd 07 02:19 AM

CRAP! I hate this.....
 
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:14:15 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:27:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
. ..

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm
You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?

Lyndon Larouche IS alive and well and living in Virginia.

Which, now that I think about it, is true.

Check the date Harry.


It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.


$2.64 at the corner gas stations today.


mmm let's see... local price of $1.13 per liter x 3.78 = $4.27 an
American
gallon.
Been there, done that! What makes it even worse, our loonie is worth
slightly more than the American dollar.


Not anymore it's not.

.9943 at last trade. :)


You wish!
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/rates/exchange.html


I know you Canadians are a little slow - in particular those who llive
in Nova Scotia, but...

From above web site:

Summary:

On 21 Dec 2007, 1.00 U.S. dollar(s) = 0.99 Canadian dollar(s), at an
exchange rate of 0.9944 (using nominal rate.)

~~ snerk ~~

[email protected] December 23rd 07 03:53 AM

CRAP! I hate this.....
 
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:19:30 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On 21 Dec 2007, 1.00 U.S. dollar(s) = 0.99 Canadian dollar(s), at an
exchange rate of 0.9944 (using nominal rate.)

~~ snerk ~~


Careful Tom, somebody is spiking your eggnog.

Don White December 23rd 07 05:13 AM

CRAP! I hate this.....
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:14:15 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:27:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
.. .

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK
wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm
You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a
"secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?

Lyndon Larouche IS alive and well and living in Virginia.

Which, now that I think about it, is true.

Check the date Harry.


It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.


$2.64 at the corner gas stations today.


mmm let's see... local price of $1.13 per liter x 3.78 = $4.27 an
American
gallon.
Been there, done that! What makes it even worse, our loonie is worth
slightly more than the American dollar.

Not anymore it's not.

.9943 at last trade. :)


You wish!
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/rates/exchange.html


I know you Canadians are a little slow - in particular those who llive
in Nova Scotia, but...

From above web site:

Summary:

On 21 Dec 2007, 1.00 U.S. dollar(s) = 0.99 Canadian dollar(s), at an
exchange rate of 0.9944 (using nominal rate.)

~~ snerk ~~


Hey... ~snerk~ right back.
You're reading it backwards. Probably watched too many episodes of
'South Park'. ;-)



Short Wave Sportfishing December 23rd 07 11:02 AM

CRAP! I hate this.....
 
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:53:42 -0000, wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:19:30 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On 21 Dec 2007, 1.00 U.S. dollar(s) = 0.99 Canadian dollar(s), at an
exchange rate of 0.9944 (using nominal rate.)

~~ snerk ~~


Careful Tom, somebody is spiking your eggnog.


Damn - you are right.

I need new glasses.

Or a new brain. :)


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