Yo!! Chuck...
 

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:14:27 -0500, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:47:33 -0500, HK wrote:



Herring and a few others seem to be overly sensitive about certain
religious matters.

There's much to admire about Joshua, aka Jesus, whether he was real or
not. On the other hand, I find very little to admire in fundamentalist
Christianity because of its insularity, its attempts to convert, and its
small-mindedness.

Why Herring takes that personally I do not know.
Harry, I'm not near the zealot you would have me be. I do, however, find
pretty despicable those who would ridicule or belittle the religious
beliefs of another.
--
John H


I agree with that. Religious beliefs (or lack of) is a personal thing and
really is nobody's else's business. I've known some fundamentalist
Christians and have been approached regarding joining in their faith (saving
souls is part of their belief structure). A gentle, but firm "no thank you"
is all that is required to end the discussion. We remain friends.

Eisboch





That's the whole point. Many Christian religious fundies, just like
Muslim counterparts, want to make *their* religion *your* business, and
if they are not doing it personally, on a one to one basis, they are
doing it by trying to force their beliefs onto society as a whole.

A pox on them to the thousandth generation!

Don't unions recruit? They did in the school in which I taught. Don't they
try to force their beliefs on society as a whole?

You, Harry, have the power within you to 'just say no'. Being derogatory
and belittling does nothing for your cause.


--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

Yo!! Chuck...
 

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:44:26 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 06:59:21 -0500, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:19:27 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

I know what you mean..... however, these guys have it right..... :-)

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/


[shaking my head in amazement!]
I wonder if anyone would have the balls to do the same with Islam as the
subject.
Kinda like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQB85J_b2AY

Funny! But you notice the word Muslim was used only twice, with *no*
derogatory connotations.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*


So? What's your point?

Yo!! Chuck...
 

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:46:56 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:44:26 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 06:59:21 -0500, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:19:27 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

I know what you mean..... however, these guys have it right..... :-)

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/


[shaking my head in amazement!]
I wonder if anyone would have the balls to do the same with Islam as the
subject.
Kinda like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQB85J_b2AY

Funny! But you notice the word Muslim was used only twice, with *no*
derogatory connotations.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*


So? What's your point?

Come on, Harry. Someone with your imagination should be able to figure it
out with very little effort.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

Yo!! Chuck...
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:13:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 06:01:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:41:14 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:


I guess people are free to interpret "IHS" any way that is personally
meaningful.

Of notable interest; the Catholic church had pretty much a monopoly
on
organized Christianity for the longest time, especially during the
middle ages. According to their encyclopedia, the translation noted
by
the author of the Wiki article is a "wrong understanding". Doesn't
mean that some folks don't see it the same way as the Wiki writer,
however.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07649a.htm

OK, Chuck!

I will pray that you, Harry, and Larry share a room in the afterlife.
That
should make you happy. You won't have to put up with us lowlifes that
may
have some beliefs you would like to belittle.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -


What a bizarre remark.

Tom dropped some cite about the hidden meaning of IHS.

I noted that the Catholic encyclopedia disagreed with his reference.

How does that belittle your belief? Good grief man, I referred to the
Catholic Encyclopedia as a probable authority on the matter!

Catholic traditions offer one of the better insights into orthodox
Western spiritual beliefs of the middle ages- Catholicism was the only
major game in town, and pretty well ran the government. The Roman
church can be credited with preserving some carefully selected schools
of thought and knowledge during a time of rampant illiteracy and when
Europeans placed little value on a classical eduation.

I can't believe you read my post carefully or bothered to follow the
link.
It seems like you are (over) reacting to what you presume I am going
to
state rather than what I actually post. If you kneel to pray in the
next few days, try to do so on the knee that doesn't jerk as
badly. :-)

A Joyous Yuletide to you and all your house.

You know what? You are correct. I read Tom's reference to 'Jesus H.
Christ', which I took to be jocular, and then saw your reference to IHS.
I
saw *no* connection between Tom's comment and your comment, simply
because
I didn't read Tom's reference much beyond the first paragraph.

I did not bother to follow your link, thinking that it would be the same
as
your other 'religious' links, designed to belittle or ridicule a
religious
belief. I now see that, in this case, I was wrong. My apology is
proffered.

Thanks for the wishes. Merry Christmas to you and yours and wishes for a
great New Year.

What is really funny is that the mostly humorless Chuck took it
entirely wrong.

Set up.

Joke.

I have said many times that this is the one NG where humor is a
forgotten art and I'm begining to see it as my mission in life to
lighten things up.

Of course this is all casting pearls before swine, but what the heck -
got for it anyway because that's how I roll. :)

Well, you have to be a little understanding. There are some who simply
aren't able to tell something is a joke. There were those who actually
believed I had tried the Purina Dog Food Diet.

Because you are discerning enough to recognize humor, I'll share this with
you (it was sent to me as the best joke of the year).

**********************
A Somali arrives in Minneapolis as a new immigrant to the United States.
He stops the first person he sees walking down the street and says, "Thank
you Mr. American for letting me in this country, giving me housing, food
stamps, free medical care, and free education!"

The passerby says, "You are mistaken, I am Mexican."

The man goes on and encounters another passerby. "Thank you for having
such a beautiful country here in America and giving me free education and
medical care!"

The person says, "I not American, I Vietnamese."

The new arrival walks further, and the next person he sees he stops,
Shakes his hand and says, "Thank you for the wonderful America, my
wonderful
housing and food stamps!"

That person puts up his hand and says, "I am from Middle East, I am not
American!"

He finally sees a nice lady and asks, "Are you an American?"

She says, "No, I am from Africa!"

Puzzled, he asks her, "Where are all the Americans?"

The lady checks her watch and says.."Probably at work."


John H


Oh boy! We should ask your family to send you on a sensitivity course as a
suitable Christmas present this year.

Yo!! Chuck...
 

Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:13:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 06:01:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:41:14 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:


I guess people are free to interpret "IHS" any way that is personally
meaningful.
Of notable interest; the Catholic church had pretty much a monopoly
on
organized Christianity for the longest time, especially during the
middle ages. According to their encyclopedia, the translation noted
by
the author of the Wiki article is a "wrong understanding". Doesn't
mean that some folks don't see it the same way as the Wiki writer,
however.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07649a.htm
OK, Chuck!

I will pray that you, Harry, and Larry share a room in the afterlife.
That
should make you happy. You won't have to put up with us lowlifes that
may
have some beliefs you would like to belittle.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

What a bizarre remark.

Tom dropped some cite about the hidden meaning of IHS.

I noted that the Catholic encyclopedia disagreed with his reference.

How does that belittle your belief? Good grief man, I referred to the
Catholic Encyclopedia as a probable authority on the matter!

Catholic traditions offer one of the better insights into orthodox
Western spiritual beliefs of the middle ages- Catholicism was the only
major game in town, and pretty well ran the government. The Roman
church can be credited with preserving some carefully selected schools
of thought and knowledge during a time of rampant illiteracy and when
Europeans placed little value on a classical eduation.

I can't believe you read my post carefully or bothered to follow the
link.
It seems like you are (over) reacting to what you presume I am going
to
state rather than what I actually post. If you kneel to pray in the
next few days, try to do so on the knee that doesn't jerk as
badly. :-)

A Joyous Yuletide to you and all your house.
You know what? You are correct. I read Tom's reference to 'Jesus H.
Christ', which I took to be jocular, and then saw your reference to IHS.
I
saw *no* connection between Tom's comment and your comment, simply
because
I didn't read Tom's reference much beyond the first paragraph.

I did not bother to follow your link, thinking that it would be the same
as
your other 'religious' links, designed to belittle or ridicule a
religious
belief. I now see that, in this case, I was wrong. My apology is
proffered.

Thanks for the wishes. Merry Christmas to you and yours and wishes for a
great New Year.
What is really funny is that the mostly humorless Chuck took it
entirely wrong.

Set up.

Joke.

I have said many times that this is the one NG where humor is a
forgotten art and I'm begining to see it as my mission in life to
lighten things up.

Of course this is all casting pearls before swine, but what the heck -
got for it anyway because that's how I roll. :)
Well, you have to be a little understanding. There are some who simply
aren't able to tell something is a joke. There were those who actually
believed I had tried the Purina Dog Food Diet.

Because you are discerning enough to recognize humor, I'll share this with
you (it was sent to me as the best joke of the year).

**********************
A Somali arrives in Minneapolis as a new immigrant to the United States.
He stops the first person he sees walking down the street and says, "Thank
you Mr. American for letting me in this country, giving me housing, food
stamps, free medical care, and free education!"

The passerby says, "You are mistaken, I am Mexican."

The man goes on and encounters another passerby. "Thank you for having
such a beautiful country here in America and giving me free education and
medical care!"

The person says, "I not American, I Vietnamese."

The new arrival walks further, and the next person he sees he stops,
Shakes his hand and says, "Thank you for the wonderful America, my
wonderful
housing and food stamps!"

That person puts up his hand and says, "I am from Middle East, I am not
American!"

He finally sees a nice lady and asks, "Are you an American?"

She says, "No, I am from Africa!"

Puzzled, he asks her, "Where are all the Americans?"

The lady checks her watch and says.."Probably at work."


John H


Oh boy! We should ask your family to send you on a sensitivity course as a
suitable Christmas present this year.



I've "re-engineered" my newsgroup black hole filter, and already have a
couple of stenchmongers in it. Herring is tettering on the event
horizon. I don't have any interest in his golfing, grandchildren,
children, Disney cruises, or religion, and he has nothing to add in the
way of boating or fishing threads, so he's on his way to join D.F. Dan
and one or two others.

Yo!! Chuck...
 

On Dec 23, 9:43*am, HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:13:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 06:01:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:41:14 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

I guess people are free to interpret "IHS" any way that is personally
meaningful.
Of notable interest; the Catholic church had pretty much a monopoly
on
organized Christianity for the longest time, especially during the
middle ages. According to their encyclopedia, the translation noted
by
the author of the Wiki article is a "wrong understanding". Doesn't
mean that some folks don't see it the same way as the Wiki writer,
however.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07649a.htm
OK, Chuck!

I will pray that you, Harry, and Larry share a room in the afterlife.
That
should make you happy. You won't have to put up with us lowlifes that
may
have some beliefs you would like to belittle.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

What a bizarre remark.

Tom dropped some cite about the hidden meaning of IHS.

I noted that the Catholic encyclopedia disagreed with his reference.

How does that belittle your belief? Good grief man, I referred to the
Catholic Encyclopedia as a probable authority on the matter!

Catholic traditions offer one of the better insights into orthodox
Western spiritual beliefs of the middle ages- Catholicism was the only
major game in town, and pretty well ran the government. The Roman
church can be credited with preserving some carefully selected schools
of thought and knowledge during a time of rampant illiteracy and when
Europeans placed little value on a classical eduation.

I can't believe you read my post carefully or bothered to follow the
link.
It seems like you are (over) reacting to what you presume I am going
to
state rather than what I actually post. If you kneel to pray in the
next few days, try to do so on the knee that doesn't jerk as
badly. :-)

A Joyous Yuletide to you and all your house.
You know what? You are correct. I read Tom's reference to 'Jesus H.
Christ', which I took to be jocular, and then saw your reference to IHS.
I
saw *no* connection between Tom's comment and your comment, simply
because
I didn't read Tom's reference much beyond the first paragraph.

I did not bother to follow your link, thinking that it would be the same
as
your other 'religious' links, designed to belittle or ridicule a
religious
belief. I now see that, in this case, I was wrong. My apology is
proffered.

Thanks for the wishes. Merry Christmas to you and yours and wishes for a
great New Year.
What is really funny is that the mostly humorless Chuck took it
entirely wrong.

Set up.

Joke.

I have said many times that this is the one NG where humor is a
forgotten art and I'm begining to see it as my mission in life to
lighten things up.

Of course this is all casting pearls before swine, but what the heck -
got for it anyway because that's how I roll. *:)
Well, you have to be a little understanding. There are some who simply
aren't able to tell something is a joke. There were those who actually
believed I had tried the Purina Dog Food Diet.

Because you are discerning enough to recognize humor, I'll share this with
you (it was sent to me as the best joke of the year).

**********************
A Somali arrives in Minneapolis as a new immigrant to the United States..
He stops the first person he sees walking down the street and says, "Thank
you Mr. American for letting me in this country, giving me housing, food
stamps, free medical care, and free education!"

The passerby says, "You are mistaken, I am Mexican."

The man goes on and encounters another passerby. "Thank you for having
such a beautiful country here in America and giving me free education and
medical care!"

The person says, "I not American, I Vietnamese."

The new arrival walks further, and the next person he sees he stops,
Shakes his hand and says, "Thank you for the wonderful America, my
wonderful
housing and food stamps!"

That person puts up his hand and says, "I am from Middle East, I am not
American!"

He finally sees a nice lady and asks, "Are you an American?"

She says, "No, I am from Africa!"

Puzzled, he asks her, "Where are all the Americans?"

The lady checks her watch and says.."Probably at work."

John H

Oh boy! * We should ask your family to send you on a sensitivity course as a
suitable Christmas present this year.

I've "re-engineered" my newsgroup black hole filter, and already have a
couple of stenchmongers in it. Herring is tettering on the event
horizon. I don't have any interest in his golfing, grandchildren,
children, Disney cruises, or religion, and he has nothing to add in the
way of boating or fishing threads, so he's on his way to join D.F. Dan
and one or two others.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Does it take a lot of computer skills to engineer a NG black hole
filter?

Yo!! Chuck...
 

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:43:00 -0500, HK wrote:

Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:13:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 06:01:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:41:14 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:


I guess people are free to interpret "IHS" any way that is personally
meaningful.
Of notable interest; the Catholic church had pretty much a monopoly
on
organized Christianity for the longest time, especially during the
middle ages. According to their encyclopedia, the translation noted
by
the author of the Wiki article is a "wrong understanding". Doesn't
mean that some folks don't see it the same way as the Wiki writer,
however.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07649a.htm
OK, Chuck!

I will pray that you, Harry, and Larry share a room in the afterlife.
That
should make you happy. You won't have to put up with us lowlifes that
may
have some beliefs you would like to belittle.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

What a bizarre remark.

Tom dropped some cite about the hidden meaning of IHS.

I noted that the Catholic encyclopedia disagreed with his reference.

How does that belittle your belief? Good grief man, I referred to the
Catholic Encyclopedia as a probable authority on the matter!

Catholic traditions offer one of the better insights into orthodox
Western spiritual beliefs of the middle ages- Catholicism was the only
major game in town, and pretty well ran the government. The Roman
church can be credited with preserving some carefully selected schools
of thought and knowledge during a time of rampant illiteracy and when
Europeans placed little value on a classical eduation.

I can't believe you read my post carefully or bothered to follow the
link.
It seems like you are (over) reacting to what you presume I am going
to
state rather than what I actually post. If you kneel to pray in the
next few days, try to do so on the knee that doesn't jerk as
badly. :-)

A Joyous Yuletide to you and all your house.
You know what? You are correct. I read Tom's reference to 'Jesus H.
Christ', which I took to be jocular, and then saw your reference to IHS.
I
saw *no* connection between Tom's comment and your comment, simply
because
I didn't read Tom's reference much beyond the first paragraph.

I did not bother to follow your link, thinking that it would be the same
as
your other 'religious' links, designed to belittle or ridicule a
religious
belief. I now see that, in this case, I was wrong. My apology is
proffered.

Thanks for the wishes. Merry Christmas to you and yours and wishes for a
great New Year.
What is really funny is that the mostly humorless Chuck took it
entirely wrong.

Set up.

Joke.

I have said many times that this is the one NG where humor is a
forgotten art and I'm begining to see it as my mission in life to
lighten things up.

Of course this is all casting pearls before swine, but what the heck -
got for it anyway because that's how I roll. :)
Well, you have to be a little understanding. There are some who simply
aren't able to tell something is a joke. There were those who actually
believed I had tried the Purina Dog Food Diet.

Because you are discerning enough to recognize humor, I'll share this with
you (it was sent to me as the best joke of the year).

**********************
A Somali arrives in Minneapolis as a new immigrant to the United States.
He stops the first person he sees walking down the street and says, "Thank
you Mr. American for letting me in this country, giving me housing, food
stamps, free medical care, and free education!"

The passerby says, "You are mistaken, I am Mexican."

The man goes on and encounters another passerby. "Thank you for having
such a beautiful country here in America and giving me free education and
medical care!"

The person says, "I not American, I Vietnamese."

The new arrival walks further, and the next person he sees he stops,
Shakes his hand and says, "Thank you for the wonderful America, my
wonderful
housing and food stamps!"

That person puts up his hand and says, "I am from Middle East, I am not
American!"

He finally sees a nice lady and asks, "Are you an American?"

She says, "No, I am from Africa!"

Puzzled, he asks her, "Where are all the Americans?"

The lady checks her watch and says.."Probably at work."


John H


Oh boy! We should ask your family to send you on a sensitivity course as a
suitable Christmas present this year.



I've "re-engineered" my newsgroup black hole filter, and already have a
couple of stenchmongers in it. Herring is tettering on the event
horizon. I don't have any interest in his golfing, grandchildren,
children, Disney cruises, or religion, and he has nothing to add in the
way of boating or fishing threads, so he's on his way to join D.F. Dan
and one or two others.

Gosh Harry, please don't throw me in your briar patch! I'll try to be more
like you - make up lots of stories and discuss nothing but boats!
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

Yo!! Chuck...
 

John H. wrote in
:

Harry, I'm not near the zealot you would have me be. I do, however, find
pretty despicable those who would ridicule or belittle the religious
beliefs of another.
--


Does this also include belittling and ridiculing atheists who choose not to
buy into superstitions?

What about children forced into their parents' religious superstitions? Do
you find that as dispicable as I do? That's child abuse.

Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

Yo!! Chuck...
 

HK wrote in news:kqednX0A-
:

they are
doing it by trying to force their beliefs onto society as a whole.


That also goes for the boys at the Lodge......

Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

Yo!! Chuck...
 

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:27:52 +0000, Larry wrote:

John H. wrote in
:

Harry, I'm not near the zealot you would have me be. I do, however, find
pretty despicable those who would ridicule or belittle the religious
beliefs of another.
--


Does this also include belittling and ridiculing atheists who choose not to
buy into superstitions?

What about children forced into their parents' religious superstitions? Do
you find that as dispicable as I do? That's child abuse.

Larry

I've not belittled or ridiculed atheists who choose to believe whatever
they believe, and I'd feel the same about anyone who did.

What you define as 'superstition', another may define as 'faith'. What you
define as 'child abuse', another may define as the instilling of values.

--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*