For Jim H
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:15:33 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


It just doens't have any power - and I've got the 5.4 thingy doer with
the plow/tow package.

Oddly, that same package in the FX4 edition, tows my boat just fine -
no problem.

It's totally wierd.

Maybe it is a California Engine. My 99 Expedition was a dog.

You know, I didn't think of that.

Hmmmm....

That's a real possibility, Tom. Some vehicle inventory in this area *are*
equipped with California emissions. Even the new Harley-Davidsons touring
bikes are subject to California emission standards which is controlled by
the vehicle's computer. The 2007 models came with or without in this area
and when I bought mine it fortunately came "without". Those equipped with
the CA systems are reported to be dogs and run hot.

Eisboch

For Jim H
 

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:52:49 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:40:26 -0500, Wayne.B
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:05:15 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

My 2004 Chevy 2500 is more refined than my S-I-L's Tundra. Rides nicer
also.

Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale
value.

Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped
Ford, Chevy or Dodge.

Since mine is a diesel, the resale may hold up better. Lots of the resale
is the past history of Toyota longevity. Toyota's are a well built
vehicle. Handle bad, but they will last a long time. Toyota is not a car
company, they are a manufacturing company, and they understand how to
build something for longevity, but most of that comes from not changing
things much. You can swap the engine in a Toyota Pickup mechanically
(mounts, etc) probably in a 15 year+ range. But as Tom said. They are
overpriced. My 2004 crew cab diesel pickup lists for $45,000. My
daughters 2006 Sequoia costs more.

Many of the older Toyota seen around these parts (northeast) suffer from
severe rusting, particularly in the bed, side walls and wheel cutouts. I
don't know how the newer models hold up.

You still see many more older Ford and Chevy/GMC trucks on the road than you
see older Toyotas, if that means anything.

I look at it this way - until that Camray was produced, Toyota didn't
have much of a reputation for "quality".

My oldest's Camray slipped on some ice as I was following him to a
friend's house to deliver a half cord of wood - he just kissed, and I
mean as in no paint left on the guard rail he hit and he couldn't have
been going more than 5 mph - $4K worth of damage iincluding a bent
wheel which needed replacement.

They may be quality, but they are still being made cheap.

For Jim H
 

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:52:49 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Many of the older Toyota seen around these parts (northeast) suffer from
severe rusting, particularly in the bed, side walls and wheel cutouts. I
don't know how the newer models hold up.

My Tundra is a 2002 model year purchased in the fall of 2001. Before
we moved to FL I used to take it out 4 wheeling on the Long Island
south shore beaches all the time, as well as drive it on salt covered
roads in the winter, and trailer launch in salt water. There is no
rust anywhere.

You still see many more older Ford and Chevy/GMC trucks on the road than you
see older Toyotas, if that means anything.

There have been a lot more of them sold over the years.

For Jim H
 

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:13:39 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I look at it this way - until that Camray was produced, Toyota didn't
have much of a reputation for "quality".

My oldest's Camray slipped on some ice as I was following him to a
friend's house to deliver a half cord of wood - he just kissed, and I
mean as in no paint left on the guard rail he hit and he couldn't have
been going more than 5 mph - $4K worth of damage iincluding a bent
wheel which needed replacement.

They may be quality, but they are still being made cheap.

My youngest son is driving my old '92 Camry. Over 200K miles, no
major repairs other than brakes and struts. Most of those miles were
commuting through NY/NJ rush hour traffic.