"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:04:43 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I keep seeing that lame airbus crap.... here is how a REAL airplane
handles a crosswind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOxo0s33sI

It's interesting to watch the different styles of the pilots, with
some straightening out just prior to touchdown, and some just after.
Tricky stuff with no second chances. You can see the rudder movement
on a couple of the landings.


I don't think those landings are representative of how you are *supposed* to
do it. They should be coming in straight, and aligned with the runway, but
the airplane should be banked over as if in a turn. The ailerons, combined
with rudder are used to offset the force of the crosswind. That's the plan,
at least.

Eisboch

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:08:59 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I don't think those landings are representative of how you are *supposed* to
do it. They should be coming in straight, and aligned with the runway, but
the airplane should be banked over as if in a turn. The ailerons, combined
with rudder are used to offset the force of the crosswind. That's the plan,
at least.

That sounds about right for smaller planes but I am no expert. I'm
wondering if the technique for larger planes is somewhat different?

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:04:43 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I keep seeing that lame airbus crap.... here is how a REAL airplane
handles a crosswind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOxo0s33sI

It's interesting to watch the different styles of the pilots, with
some straightening out just prior to touchdown, and some just after.
Tricky stuff with no second chances. You can see the rudder movement
on a couple of the landings.


I don't think those landings are representative of how you are *supposed*
to do it. They should be coming in straight, and aligned with the runway,
but the airplane should be banked over as if in a turn. The ailerons,
combined with rudder are used to offset the force of the crosswind.
That's the plan, at least.

Eisboch

Prolly a dumb question but doesn't one wing drop pretty low during that
manouver?

"Jim" me @nothere.net wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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I don't think those landings are representative of how you are *supposed*
to do it. They should be coming in straight, and aligned with the
runway, but the airplane should be banked over as if in a turn. The
ailerons, combined with rudder are used to offset the force of the
crosswind. That's the plan, at least.

Eisboch

Prolly a dumb question but doesn't one wing drop pretty low during that
manouver?

It does, but you level off as you "hit the numbers" on the runway. I recall
being taught to "plant" the aircraft with authority on one set of the
landing wheels as you touched down, then allow the other side to touch down
as speed bleeds off while still holding the nose up. It takes a bit of
combined aileron and rudder application and practice and is a more advanced
technique as compared to crabbing the airplane in a controlled "slip" which
is taught initially.

It's been a while, so I may not have described this perfectly.

I remember flying on a large, commercial flight from Boston to O'Hare around
the time I was taking flight instruction. There were some very strong
crosswinds as we approached the runway in final and I noted how the pilot
was making his approach. The airplane was banked significantly to counteract
the crosswind. He landed on one side of the landing gear with the wing
still dipped much lower than the other. He smacked it down hard enough for
many of the oxygen mask compartments to pop open and several women started
screaming. As we taxied to the ramp some people were making comments about
it being a "lousy" landing and how the pilot screwed up. Having a little
bit of knowledge of what he was doing, I was impressed and congratulated him
as we departed the plane. He gave a grin and wink.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Jim" me @nothere.net wrote in message
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I don't think those landings are representative of how you are
*supposed* to do it. They should be coming in straight, and aligned
with the runway, but the airplane should be banked over as if in a turn.
The ailerons, combined with rudder are used to offset the force of the
crosswind. That's the plan, at least.

Eisboch

Prolly a dumb question but doesn't one wing drop pretty low during that
manouver?


Here's a great tutorial on crosswind landings. Although written for a
simulator, the methods described are accurate.
Both methods are described, dipping and crabbing.

http://stoenworks.com/Tutorials/Cros...0Landings.html

Eisboch

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:28:19 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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|
| I keep seeing that lame airbus crap.... here is how a REAL airplane
| handles a crosswind:
|
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOxo0s33sI
|
|
|
|I don't get it.
|
|When I was first learning to fly, the initial, basic technique taught was
|crabbing, like those shown in the video.
|Later, we were taught to dip the aircraft into to the crosswind, in a
|balanced turn offset by the effects of the crosswind, and the approach was
|normal to the runway.
|
|Then again, I am not a super experienced pilot, so maybe there's something
|going on here that I don't understand.
|
|But ... I'll always remember ... any landing that you can walk away from was
|a good one!
|
|Eisboch
|

Maybe they have X-wind landing gear?
Check out Figure 12-11
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-468/ch12-3.htm


Breeze exceeds demonstrated crosswind component and An Oh, ****
moment....
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...21_landing.wmv


Good X-wind at Kai Tak
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...%20Landing.mpg

This stuff happens at takeoff, too.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f833aa0b9a

A breezy day on the continent
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dcb9946108

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:28:19 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I don't get it.
|
|When I was first learning to fly, the initial, basic technique taught was
|crabbing, like those shown in the video.
|Later, we were taught to dip the aircraft into to the crosswind, in a
|balanced turn offset by the effects of the crosswind, and the approach
was
|normal to the runway.
|
|Then again, I am not a super experienced pilot, so maybe there's
something
|going on here that I don't understand.
|
|But ... I'll always remember ... any landing that you can walk away from
was
|a good one!
|
|Eisboch
|

Maybe they have X-wind landing gear?
Check out Figure 12-11
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-468/ch12-3.htm


Breeze exceeds demonstrated crosswind component and An Oh, ****
moment....
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...21_landing.wmv



Hate it when that happens.

Maybe the bigger the aircraft, the more difficult it is to do the "dipped
wing" approach. I only have experience with the little guys and limited
experience at that. When I first started instruction my CFI told me to
forget about using the rudder and doing coordinated turns. He said he would
tell me when to start using the rudder.

Well, he forgot to tell me and, I couldn't land the stupid airplane for
weeks. The owner of the flight school finally went up with me and started
yelling at me for not using the rudder to straighten out just before
touchdown.
Problem solved and I soloed the next week.

Eisboch

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:28:19 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.. .
|
| I keep seeing that lame airbus crap.... here is how a REAL airplane
| handles a crosswind:
|
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOxo0s33sI
|
|
|
|I don't get it.
|
|When I was first learning to fly, the initial, basic technique taught was
|crabbing, like those shown in the video.
|Later, we were taught to dip the aircraft into to the crosswind, in a
|balanced turn offset by the effects of the crosswind, and the approach
was
|normal to the runway.
|
|Then again, I am not a super experienced pilot, so maybe there's
something
|going on here that I don't understand.
|
|But ... I'll always remember ... any landing that you can walk away from
was
|a good one!
|
|Eisboch
|

Maybe they have X-wind landing gear?
Check out Figure 12-11
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-468/ch12-3.htm


Breeze exceeds demonstrated crosswind component and An Oh, ****
moment....
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...21_landing.wmv


Good X-wind at Kai Tak
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...%20Landing.mpg




I've flown into Kai Tak, as a passenger, many times. It seemed like
everyone of the landings was an adventure.

Haven't flown into the new HK airport, I wonder if that's just as
"exciting".




This stuff happens at takeoff, too.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f833aa0b9a

A breezy day on the continent
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dcb9946108

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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I've flown into Kai Tak, as a passenger, many times. It seemed like
everyone of the landings was an adventure.

Haven't flown into the new HK airport, I wonder if that's just as
"exciting".


Now he has an *airport* named for him?
Whatta guy.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
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I've flown into Kai Tak, as a passenger, many times. It seemed like
everyone of the landings was an adventure.

Haven't flown into the new HK airport, I wonder if that's just as
"exciting".


Now he has an *airport* named for him?
Whatta guy.

Eisboch



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