Canuck57 wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"Armybob" u39716@uwe wrote in message news:7c59f72c211c6@uwe...
I just bought a 1981 Sey Ray 245 Sedan Bridge 25' Long, 8' Wide, with a
350
V8 Engine. It sits on a EZ-Loader trailer dual axle, Now I need
something to
pull it with as I plan to go to different lakes and rivers with it. (A
friend
towed it to my house). Can anyone help me with the size truck I need to
pull
it. I have no idea what the boat with trailer weighs, And NO I can't
afford
my friends truck!!! PLEASE no math or how to figure it out just the
Approx.
weight of the boat or vehicle towing power required, 5000 lb, 7500 lb,
Etc.

Hope someone can help.
Thank you in advance

Try to convince your friend to tow the rig to a 'highway weigh scale'.
I did this in August. first we weighed the whole truck/boat/trailer
combo.. then shuttled over to the parking area to nload the boat/trailer
to weigh the truck by itself.
This would give you an accurate picture of the boat/trailer weight. Then
you can decide how capable a truck you need.
I was surprised to find out that my small cruising sailboat was 1730
lbs..rather than the 1200 listed in the manual.
Don, If the 1730 lbs was the weight of the sailboat stripped without any
of your gear or additional installed items, your fiberglass has soaked up
a lot of water. You can expect some variance from the specs, but I would
be very surprised if you would see more than 10%.

It is not unusual for boats to soak up water, but 500 lbs is a lot of
water and extra weight for a small sailboat.

Maybe not. The boat may have a motor not in the calculation, not including
the trailer, sails, added stuff including a spare tire. Gets up there
quick.



Thats why I was wondering if was the weight of the sailboat stripped
without all the extras onboard.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
news
Don White wrote:
"Armybob" u39716@uwe wrote in message news:7c59f72c211c6@uwe...
I just bought a 1981 Sey Ray 245 Sedan Bridge 25' Long, 8' Wide, with a
350
V8 Engine. It sits on a EZ-Loader trailer dual axle, Now I need
something to
pull it with as I plan to go to different lakes and rivers with it. (A
friend
towed it to my house). Can anyone help me with the size truck I need to
pull
it. I have no idea what the boat with trailer weighs, And NO I can't
afford
my friends truck!!! PLEASE no math or how to figure it out just the
Approx.
weight of the boat or vehicle towing power required, 5000 lb, 7500 lb,
Etc.

Hope someone can help.
Thank you in advance


Try to convince your friend to tow the rig to a 'highway weigh scale'.
I did this in August. first we weighed the whole truck/boat/trailer
combo.. then shuttled over to the parking area to nload the boat/trailer
to weigh the truck by itself.
This would give you an accurate picture of the boat/trailer weight.
Then you can decide how capable a truck you need.
I was surprised to find out that my small cruising sailboat was 1730
lbs..rather than the 1200 listed in the manual.

Don, If the 1730 lbs was the weight of the sailboat stripped without any
of your gear or additional installed items, your fiberglass has soaked up
a lot of water. You can expect some variance from the specs, but I would
be very surprised if you would see more than 10%.

It is not unusual for boats to soak up water, but 500 lbs is a lot of
water and extra weight for a small sailboat.

Maybe not. The boat may have a motor not in the calculation, not
including the trailer, sails, added stuff including a spare tire. Gets up
there quick.


The motor, gas can and anchor were all in the truck bed.
On the boat as 'extras' were the sails, cushions, mast/boom, ladder and a
small amount of tools.
The Sandpiper is known for its flotation foam absorbing water.
http://sailquest.com/market/models/spipe.htm
The total boat/trailer combo was just over 2300 lbs...awfully close to the
2450 tow rating for my Ford Ranger with auto and 3.0 V6.

On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:25:16 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Truck 5500#
His Boat 5100# (dry)
Trailer 1700#
_____________

Yields 12300#

Junk and Fuel probably close to 1000#

What did I do wrong?

Nothing wrong using your numbers but my truck weighs about 5000
including rear cap and two passengers. By reducing junk and fuel a
bit more you are well within the ratings of a Tundra.

"Don White" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
news
Don White wrote:
"Armybob" u39716@uwe wrote in message news:7c59f72c211c6@uwe...
I just bought a 1981 Sey Ray 245 Sedan Bridge 25' Long, 8' Wide, with
a 350
V8 Engine. It sits on a EZ-Loader trailer dual axle, Now I need
something to
pull it with as I plan to go to different lakes and rivers with it. (A
friend
towed it to my house). Can anyone help me with the size truck I need
to pull
it. I have no idea what the boat with trailer weighs, And NO I can't
afford
my friends truck!!! PLEASE no math or how to figure it out just the
Approx.
weight of the boat or vehicle towing power required, 5000 lb, 7500 lb,
Etc.

Hope someone can help.
Thank you in advance


Try to convince your friend to tow the rig to a 'highway weigh scale'.
I did this in August. first we weighed the whole truck/boat/trailer
combo.. then shuttled over to the parking area to nload the
boat/trailer to weigh the truck by itself.
This would give you an accurate picture of the boat/trailer weight.
Then you can decide how capable a truck you need.
I was surprised to find out that my small cruising sailboat was 1730
lbs..rather than the 1200 listed in the manual.

Don, If the 1730 lbs was the weight of the sailboat stripped without any
of your gear or additional installed items, your fiberglass has soaked
up a lot of water. You can expect some variance from the specs, but I
would be very surprised if you would see more than 10%.

It is not unusual for boats to soak up water, but 500 lbs is a lot of
water and extra weight for a small sailboat.

Maybe not. The boat may have a motor not in the calculation, not
including the trailer, sails, added stuff including a spare tire. Gets
up there quick.


The motor, gas can and anchor were all in the truck bed.
On the boat as 'extras' were the sails, cushions, mast/boom, ladder and a
small amount of tools.
The Sandpiper is known for its flotation foam absorbing water.
http://sailquest.com/market/models/spipe.htm
The total boat/trailer combo was just over 2300 lbs...awfully close to the
2450 tow rating for my Ford Ranger with auto and 3.0 V6.

Some other boaters can correct me if I am wrong, but total tow rating
includes fuel (boat and truck), all items you load in it be it in the bed or
the boat or the passenger compartment. Any additional passengers beyond
your average sized driver. So in fact, with say one 160 lb passenger your
over. More so if you think the load in the bed isn't included.

Now if your just hauling it out of the lake up to the garage, no big. But
if you are flying down the Interstate you would be in my opinion,
overloaded.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
news Don White wrote:
"Armybob" u39716@uwe wrote in message news:7c59f72c211c6@uwe...
I just bought a 1981 Sey Ray 245 Sedan Bridge 25' Long, 8' Wide, with
a 350
V8 Engine. It sits on a EZ-Loader trailer dual axle, Now I need
something to
pull it with as I plan to go to different lakes and rivers with it.
(A friend
towed it to my house). Can anyone help me with the size truck I need
to pull
it. I have no idea what the boat with trailer weighs, And NO I can't
afford
my friends truck!!! PLEASE no math or how to figure it out just the
Approx.
weight of the boat or vehicle towing power required, 5000 lb, 7500
lb, Etc.

Hope someone can help.
Thank you in advance


Try to convince your friend to tow the rig to a 'highway weigh scale'.
I did this in August. first we weighed the whole truck/boat/trailer
combo.. then shuttled over to the parking area to nload the
boat/trailer to weigh the truck by itself.
This would give you an accurate picture of the boat/trailer weight.
Then you can decide how capable a truck you need.
I was surprised to find out that my small cruising sailboat was 1730
lbs..rather than the 1200 listed in the manual.

Don, If the 1730 lbs was the weight of the sailboat stripped without
any of your gear or additional installed items, your fiberglass has
soaked up a lot of water. You can expect some variance from the specs,
but I would be very surprised if you would see more than 10%.

It is not unusual for boats to soak up water, but 500 lbs is a lot of
water and extra weight for a small sailboat.

Maybe not. The boat may have a motor not in the calculation, not
including the trailer, sails, added stuff including a spare tire. Gets
up there quick.


The motor, gas can and anchor were all in the truck bed.
On the boat as 'extras' were the sails, cushions, mast/boom, ladder and a
small amount of tools.
The Sandpiper is known for its flotation foam absorbing water.
http://sailquest.com/market/models/spipe.htm
The total boat/trailer combo was just over 2300 lbs...awfully close to
the 2450 tow rating for my Ford Ranger with auto and 3.0 V6.

Some other boaters can correct me if I am wrong, but total tow rating
includes fuel (boat and truck), all items you load in it be it in the bed
or the boat or the passenger compartment. Any additional passengers
beyond your average sized driver. So in fact, with say one 160 lb
passenger your over. More so if you think the load in the bed isn't
included.

Now if your just hauling it out of the lake up to the garage, no big. But
if you are flying down the Interstate you would be in my opinion,
overloaded.


Did a 4000 km round trip from the Atlantic Coast to central Ontario in
August.
Transmission fluid smelled burnt after arriving back but I blamed that on
the trailer suspension collapsing after hitting rough section causing the
fenders to rest on the tires at highway speed for a distance. (idiot
trailer builder had welded the suspension pivot points too close together on
the trailer frame, allowing the rear shackle to flip up against the frams
and the leaf spring bottoming out)

Scrap metal dealers almost always have a drive on scale, and will
weigh you for a reasonable price.

If you wanna risk sliced tires from Billy-Bob dropping **** in the
laneway.

APX 6K, boat and trailer. F250, 2/4wd. Big V8. Tow package/Camper
Special. Auto trans. Note: you don't need a new 40K truck to tow it. A
70-73 F250 will set you back 1-2K. Toss another 2K into it to make it
reliable and solid, and it'll drag your boat anywhere.
JR

Armybob wrote:
I just bought a 1981 Sey Ray 245 Sedan Bridge 25' Long, 8' Wide, with a 350
V8 Engine. It sits on a EZ-Loader trailer dual axle, Now I need something to
pull it with as I plan to go to different lakes and rivers with it. (A friend
towed it to my house). Can anyone help me with the size truck I need to pull
it. I have no idea what the boat with trailer weighs, And NO I can't afford
my friends truck!!! PLEASE no math or how to figure it out just the Approx.
weight of the boat or vehicle towing power required, 5000 lb, 7500 lb, Etc.

Hope someone can help.
Thank you in advance



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Canuck57 wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
news Don White wrote:
"Armybob" u39716@uwe wrote in message news:7c59f72c211c6@uwe...
I just bought a 1981 Sey Ray 245 Sedan Bridge 25' Long, 8' Wide, with
a 350
V8 Engine. It sits on a EZ-Loader trailer dual axle, Now I need
something to
pull it with as I plan to go to different lakes and rivers with it. (A
friend
towed it to my house). Can anyone help me with the size truck I need
to pull
it. I have no idea what the boat with trailer weighs, And NO I can't
afford
my friends truck!!! PLEASE no math or how to figure it out just the
Approx.
weight of the boat or vehicle towing power required, 5000 lb, 7500 lb,
Etc.

Hope someone can help.
Thank you in advance

Try to convince your friend to tow the rig to a 'highway weigh scale'.
I did this in August. first we weighed the whole truck/boat/trailer
combo.. then shuttled over to the parking area to nload the
boat/trailer to weigh the truck by itself.
This would give you an accurate picture of the boat/trailer weight.
Then you can decide how capable a truck you need.
I was surprised to find out that my small cruising sailboat was 1730
lbs..rather than the 1200 listed in the manual.
Don, If the 1730 lbs was the weight of the sailboat stripped without any
of your gear or additional installed items, your fiberglass has soaked
up a lot of water. You can expect some variance from the specs, but I
would be very surprised if you would see more than 10%.

It is not unusual for boats to soak up water, but 500 lbs is a lot of
water and extra weight for a small sailboat.
Maybe not. The boat may have a motor not in the calculation, not
including the trailer, sails, added stuff including a spare tire. Gets
up there quick.

The motor, gas can and anchor were all in the truck bed.
On the boat as 'extras' were the sails, cushions, mast/boom, ladder and a
small amount of tools.
The Sandpiper is known for its flotation foam absorbing water.
http://sailquest.com/market/models/spipe.htm
The total boat/trailer combo was just over 2300 lbs...awfully close to the
2450 tow rating for my Ford Ranger with auto and 3.0 V6.

Some other boaters can correct me if I am wrong, but total tow rating
includes fuel (boat and truck), all items you load in it be it in the bed or
the boat or the passenger compartment. Any additional passengers beyond
your average sized driver. So in fact, with say one 160 lb passenger your
over. More so if you think the load in the bed isn't included.

Now if your just hauling it out of the lake up to the garage, no big. But
if you are flying down the Interstate you would be in my opinion,
overloaded.

You are correct.

"Don White" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
news Don White wrote:
"Armybob" u39716@uwe wrote in message news:7c59f72c211c6@uwe...
I just bought a 1981 Sey Ray 245 Sedan Bridge 25' Long, 8' Wide,
with a 350
V8 Engine. It sits on a EZ-Loader trailer dual axle, Now I need
something to
pull it with as I plan to go to different lakes and rivers with it.
(A friend
towed it to my house). Can anyone help me with the size truck I need
to pull
it. I have no idea what the boat with trailer weighs, And NO I can't
afford
my friends truck!!! PLEASE no math or how to figure it out just the
Approx.
weight of the boat or vehicle towing power required, 5000 lb, 7500
lb, Etc.

Hope someone can help.
Thank you in advance


Try to convince your friend to tow the rig to a 'highway weigh
scale'.
I did this in August. first we weighed the whole truck/boat/trailer
combo.. then shuttled over to the parking area to nload the
boat/trailer to weigh the truck by itself.
This would give you an accurate picture of the boat/trailer weight.
Then you can decide how capable a truck you need.
I was surprised to find out that my small cruising sailboat was 1730
lbs..rather than the 1200 listed in the manual.

Don, If the 1730 lbs was the weight of the sailboat stripped without
any of your gear or additional installed items, your fiberglass has
soaked up a lot of water. You can expect some variance from the
specs, but I would be very surprised if you would see more than 10%.

It is not unusual for boats to soak up water, but 500 lbs is a lot of
water and extra weight for a small sailboat.

Maybe not. The boat may have a motor not in the calculation, not
including the trailer, sails, added stuff including a spare tire. Gets
up there quick.


The motor, gas can and anchor were all in the truck bed.
On the boat as 'extras' were the sails, cushions, mast/boom, ladder and
a small amount of tools.
The Sandpiper is known for its flotation foam absorbing water.
http://sailquest.com/market/models/spipe.htm
The total boat/trailer combo was just over 2300 lbs...awfully close to
the 2450 tow rating for my Ford Ranger with auto and 3.0 V6.

Some other boaters can correct me if I am wrong, but total tow rating
includes fuel (boat and truck), all items you load in it be it in the bed
or the boat or the passenger compartment. Any additional passengers
beyond your average sized driver. So in fact, with say one 160 lb
passenger your over. More so if you think the load in the bed isn't
included.

Now if your just hauling it out of the lake up to the garage, no big.
But if you are flying down the Interstate you would be in my opinion,
overloaded.


Did a 4000 km round trip from the Atlantic Coast to central Ontario in
August.
Transmission fluid smelled burnt after arriving back but I blamed that on
the trailer suspension collapsing after hitting rough section causing the
fenders to rest on the tires at highway speed for a distance. (idiot
trailer builder had welded the suspension pivot points too close together
on the trailer frame, allowing the rear shackle to flip up against the
frams and the leaf spring bottoming out)

Or that you are overloaded. Springs don't cause transmission fluid to burn,
having too big a load does that. Get a F-150 with tow package, that
includes a transmission oil cooler and your transmission will last longer,
one that is rated at least 1000 lbs over your trailer weight. And lighten
up the load on the trailer and slow down on rough Ontario roads might help
the springs.

Number one cause of vehicle problems when towing is simple overloading. The
second is poor maintenance, tires and bearings. It is also unsafe. Vehicle
manufacturers have this as maximums and many take it as ideal sizing. Plus,
you get in an accident, they might weigh up your rig and give you a
dangerous driving ticket. Yep, they can and have been known to do it.

What I plan to haul is a 1800 to 2600 lb boat with motor dry. Worst case
being 2800 lbs. So add 1000 pounds for fuel, gear, rigging, anchor, maybe a
bigger trolling motor later. And another say 800 lbs for people and
luggage. Puts me at 4600 lbs fully loaded.

So I bought a F150 Lariat 4x4 rated for 9600 lbs with all towing options
right from the factory, including the class IV hitch.

The last thing I want on vacation is to be holed up waiting to get a tire,
brake, bearing or work done when I could be catching fish.

Next item, trailer. Many trailers I have looked at seem minimal and
marginal. When I order the boat I am going to upgrade the trailer from the
minimum. Perhaps 2 axles with brakes. Why you ask when I might not need
to? I plan on this boat being on the road a lot. The trailer isn't for
dropping it in the spring, and hauling it out in the fall. I expect I might
put 10,000 mi/year on it. If I blow a tire and it keeps on the road just
once, it paid for itself.

I was just reading some guides at:

http://trailerboats.com/output.cfm?id=1199251
and
http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/c...oating/5_2.php

Have yet to find a good guide on bearing maintenance and bearing types for
the trailer.

A good read.

"Sunk" wrote in message
...

Scrap metal dealers almost always have a drive on scale, and will
weigh you for a reasonable price.

If you wanna risk sliced tires from Billy-Bob dropping **** in the
laneway.


You must go to a really low class scrap metal dealer.