Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:02:09 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

The link below is a photo I took of a Sunset in Atlanta.

I am interested in any feedback.

Harry, since you really know photography I would like to hear your
feedback too.

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/276...92789669UfrTAB

I know what you tried to do, but frankly, it's not very good.

To start with, it's way over sharpened. Viewed in it's original size,
you can see where the over sharpening detracts from the intended
effect. Looking at the hotel windows on the left and right, you can
see where it's over pixalated and the bleed through ruins the effect.
On the right where the squared towers, you see ghost pixels which is
also indicative of over sharpening. You can also see this bleed
through in the two curves arches - in fact, the one on the left goes
from white through green. There is also an exposure problem in which
the wrong areas were highlighted.

What I might have done in this instance was to take double the
exposures, maybe even triple the exposures to obtain the necessary
dynamic range for processing focusing on the different light zones -
longer for the bottom third, a tad shorter for the middle zone and
shorter for the top zone.

This is largely a shutter speed photo as compared to an aperture size
photo - meaning that the shutter/aperture is more important than the
aperture/shutter relationship.

So, to put it down in one sentence, three zones, three exposures times
three, color correct slightly to compensate for the different light
levels, noise process (Noise Ninja is the way to go), then HDR
combining the best of the exposures.

It would be a much better image that way.

Thanks, I will give it a try.


Or buy a set of oil paints and paint nature the way you think it should
look.

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Or buy a set of oil paints and paint nature the way you think it should
look.


My worthless opinion?

I liked it. Obviously it's not natural looking, but I am not of the opinion
that every photograph need be. Images processed like this are more
representative of an art form or interpretation as opposed to a well
composed but otherwise faithful image capture of a landmark or landscape.
The visual effect in a picture like this is appealing.

This opinion is offered as is. No claims of knowledge or photographic
competence or qualifications to judge contemporary art form is implied with
this opinion. This opinion may be withdrawn without notice in the interests
of forming a different opinion. Or not caring anymore.
Consider this opinion only under the direct supervision of your mental
health doctor or therapist.
No warranty, expressed or implied applies to this opinion.

Eisboch

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Or buy a set of oil paints and paint nature the way you think it should
look.


My worthless opinion?

I liked it. Obviously it's not natural looking, but I am not of the
opinion that every photograph need be. Images processed like this are
more representative of an art form or interpretation as opposed to a well
composed but otherwise faithful image capture of a landmark or landscape.
The visual effect in a picture like this is appealing.

This opinion is offered as is. No claims of knowledge or photographic
competence or qualifications to judge contemporary art form is implied
with this opinion. This opinion may be withdrawn without notice in the
interests of forming a different opinion. Or not caring anymore.
Consider this opinion only under the direct supervision of your mental
health doctor or therapist.
No warranty, expressed or implied applies to this opinion.

Eisboch

BTW, what is your opinion? :)

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Or buy a set of oil paints and paint nature the way you think it should
look.


My worthless opinion?

I liked it. Obviously it's not natural looking, but I am not of the
opinion that every photograph need be. Images processed like this are
more representative of an art form or interpretation as opposed to a well
composed but otherwise faithful image capture of a landmark or landscape.
The visual effect in a picture like this is appealing.

This opinion is offered as is. No claims of knowledge or photographic
competence or qualifications to judge contemporary art form is implied
with this opinion. This opinion may be withdrawn without notice in the
interests of forming a different opinion. Or not caring anymore.
Consider this opinion only under the direct supervision of your mental
health doctor or therapist.
No warranty, expressed or implied applies to this opinion.

Eisboch

BTW, what is your opinion? :)


about what?

Eisboch

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Or buy a set of oil paints and paint nature the way you think it should
look.


My worthless opinion?

I liked it. Obviously it's not natural looking, but I am not of the
opinion that every photograph need be. Images processed like this are
more representative of an art form or interpretation as opposed to a
well composed but otherwise faithful image capture of a landmark or
landscape. The visual effect in a picture like this is appealing.

This opinion is offered as is. No claims of knowledge or photographic
competence or qualifications to judge contemporary art form is implied
with this opinion. This opinion may be withdrawn without notice in the
interests of forming a different opinion. Or not caring anymore.
Consider this opinion only under the direct supervision of your mental
health doctor or therapist.
No warranty, expressed or implied applies to this opinion.

Eisboch

BTW, what is your opinion? :)


about what?

Eisboch

Disclaimers :)

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Or buy a set of oil paints and paint nature the way you think it
should look.


My worthless opinion?

I liked it. Obviously it's not natural looking, but I am not of the
opinion that every photograph need be. Images processed like this are
more representative of an art form or interpretation as opposed to a
well composed but otherwise faithful image capture of a landmark or
landscape. The visual effect in a picture like this is appealing.

This opinion is offered as is. No claims of knowledge or photographic
competence or qualifications to judge contemporary art form is implied
with this opinion. This opinion may be withdrawn without notice in the
interests of forming a different opinion. Or not caring anymore.
Consider this opinion only under the direct supervision of your mental
health doctor or therapist.
No warranty, expressed or implied applies to this opinion.

Eisboch

BTW, what is your opinion? :)


about what?

Eisboch

Disclaimers :)


I got cut off. Couldn't type fast enough. My opinion may cause rare but
severe reactions including, but not limited to, headache, constipation,
liver damage and four hour erections. Stop considering my opinion and seek
medical advice should you experience any of these symptoms.

Eisboch

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Or buy a set of oil paints and paint nature the way you think it
should look.


My worthless opinion?

I liked it. Obviously it's not natural looking, but I am not of the
opinion that every photograph need be. Images processed like this are
more representative of an art form or interpretation as opposed to a
well composed but otherwise faithful image capture of a landmark or
landscape. The visual effect in a picture like this is appealing.

This opinion is offered as is. No claims of knowledge or photographic
competence or qualifications to judge contemporary art form is implied
with this opinion. This opinion may be withdrawn without notice in
the interests of forming a different opinion. Or not caring anymore.
Consider this opinion only under the direct supervision of your mental
health doctor or therapist.
No warranty, expressed or implied applies to this opinion.

Eisboch

BTW, what is your opinion? :)


about what?

Eisboch

Disclaimers :)


I got cut off. Couldn't type fast enough. My opinion may cause rare but
severe reactions including, but not limited to, headache, constipation,
liver damage and four hour erections. Stop considering my opinion and
seek medical advice should you experience any of these symptoms.

Eisboch


Four hours, hmmmmm. Where were you when I was younger? :)

Eisboch wrote:
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Or buy a set of oil paints and paint nature the way you think it should
look.


My worthless opinion?

I liked it. Obviously it's not natural looking, but I am not of the opinion
that every photograph need be. Images processed like this are more
representative of an art form or interpretation as opposed to a well
composed but otherwise faithful image capture of a landmark or landscape.
The visual effect in a picture like this is appealing.

This opinion is offered as is. No claims of knowledge or photographic
competence or qualifications to judge contemporary art form is implied with
this opinion. This opinion may be withdrawn without notice in the interests
of forming a different opinion. Or not caring anymore.
Consider this opinion only under the direct supervision of your mental
health doctor or therapist.
No warranty, expressed or implied applies to this opinion.

Eisboch




Eisboch,
Thanks for the comment, and I too disagree with Harry about a photograph
should be limited to "You are there" or "Postcard" record of a scenic
view. If I limited myself to this kind of photography, I would get
bored very quickly. The best photos I have seen have been manipulated
in some fashion, either by perspective, a very unique angle, shutter
speed (to enrich the colors or blur all or part of the photo, using the
aperture to change the depth of field, deliberately blurring part or all
of the scene (by moving the camera or zooming the lens while using a
slow shutter speed, HDR or other post processing techniques. That was
the reason I found SWS comments so interesting and helpful. He didn't
disagree with my concept, but my execution of the concept. Since I am
really a novice at all of this, I am very interested in ideas that will
help me move along in my skills. I do have a problem with over sharping
images, and that was my first attempt at using Photomatrix to develop an
HDR photo. I play on redoing this photo using SWS suggestions. I
actually processed this HDR from one photo shot in RAW, and adjusted the
exposure and brightness in post processing, saving the photo in PSD and
then combining them using Photomatrix.

The fact that I disagree with Harry's opinion of photography, does not
mean I didn't appreciate it. I did ask for his opinion, partly because
I knew Harry would have a definite opinion and would not pull any
punches. I also hoped his response would generate more comments. He is
not alone in thinking photography should be limited to the "You are
there" style. While I know I am a novice, I also know there are many
people who don't like Picasso and Pollock, so if I ask for comments I
have to expect many will not like my work.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Eisboch,
Thanks for the comment, and I too disagree with Harry about a photograph
should be limited to "You are there" or "Postcard" record of a scenic
view. If I limited myself to this kind of photography, I would get
bored very quickly. The best photos I have seen have been manipulated
in some fashion, either by perspective, a very unique angle, shutter
speed (to enrich the colors or blur all or part of the photo, using the
aperture to change the depth of field, deliberately blurring part or all
of the scene (by moving the camera or zooming the lens while using a
slow shutter speed, HDR or other post processing techniques.


You "misunderstood" my comment. I often change perspective, angle,
shutter speed or aperture myself, but when I do, I am still looking for
a photo found in nature.

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Eisboch,
Thanks for the comment, and I too disagree with Harry about a photograph
should be limited to "You are there" or "Postcard" record of a scenic
view. If I limited myself to this kind of photography, I would get
bored very quickly. The best photos I have seen have been
manipulated in some fashion, either by perspective, a very unique
angle, shutter speed (to enrich the colors or blur all or part of the
photo, using the aperture to change the depth of field, deliberately
blurring part or all of the scene (by moving the camera or zooming the
lens while using a slow shutter speed, HDR or other post processing
techniques.


You "misunderstood" my comment. I often change perspective, angle,
shutter speed or aperture myself, but when I do, I am still looking for
a photo found in nature.

Thanks for the clarification, and you were correct, my photo was
definitely not what one would see in the real world.