|
AT&T offer's VOIP
The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few
years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their end (they had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different techs, all of which were from India and hard to understand. I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I have a question, an English speaker providing the answers. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their end (they had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different techs, all of which were from India and hard to understand. I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I have a question, an English speaker providing the answers. I actually enjoyed being without a home phone as we have cell phones. The only reason we have a house phone is Mrs.H. Ahh, well, we're out in the boonies, with lots of rolling hills and property owners who are not fans of cell towers, so cell coverage in the immediate area of our house is not so good. It improves if I walk outdoors, but right now it is about 18F and snowy...so... We have Verizon cell, which is pretty good, generally, in this metro area and in those cities we visit a lot for pleasure or business. I had AT&T in one of its previous iterations for a while, but found its coverage outside of the downtown area sucked. Worse, AT&T was not a pleasant company with which to deal because no one was here...they were all over there, in India. Screw 'em. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote:
JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their end (they had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different techs, all of which were from India and hard to understand. I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this **** when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will from me either;) |
AT&T offer's VOIP
|
AT&T offer's VOIP
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their end (they had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different techs, all of which were from India and hard to understand. That seems to be the biggest complaint, if you have to use their India CS, it is a pain. I haven't had to call them since I set my system up. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
|
AT&T offer's VOIP
On Dec 6, 11:21 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their end (they had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different techs, all of which were from India and hard to understand. I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this **** when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will from me either;) Sadly, it usually is easy to tell when the caller is using VOIP. It is only a problem if they are limited on broadband upload and/or download. On Comcast, there is not difference on either end.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - At your NOC maybe. Problems with my bud who uses tampabay.rr.com (roadrunner?) the problems are rare, and he has a business connection (read lot's of bucks), but frequent enough to make it a pain in the ass. He does however use a hardwire for most of his client contact too. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their end (they had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different techs, all of which were from India and hard to understand. I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this **** when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will from me either;) Sadly, it usually is easy to tell when the caller is using VOIP. It is only a problem if they are limited on broadband upload and/or download. On Comcast, there is not difference on either end. Please provide that portion of your C.V. that demonstrates your competence to make such a statement. LOL, Harry you are way too sensitive today. Relax. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
JimH wrote:
The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks) then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable. Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through India. You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit might be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the VOIP market at competitive prices. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
JimH wrote:
wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their end (they had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different techs, all of which were from India and hard to understand. I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this **** when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will from me either;) The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks) then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable. Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through India. A friend in Bal'mer is raving about the telco's new optical cable services...but it'll be centuries before they get down to my lightly densely populated 'hood. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
On Dec 6, 11:21 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their end (they had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different techs, all of which were from India and hard to understand. I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this **** when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will from me either;) Sadly, it usually is easy to tell when the caller is using VOIP. It is only a problem if they are limited on broadband upload and/or download. On Comcast, there is not difference on either end.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree, I know for a FACT that you can't tell the difference between my hardwire line and VOIP. I tried it, didn't tell anybody I got VOIP. Hell, my hardline from AT&T ALWAYS had static. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
|
AT&T offer's VOIP
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:45:16 -0500, HK wrote:
A friend in Bal'mer is raving about the telco's new optical cable services...but it'll be centuries before they get down to my lightly densely populated 'hood. I liked having copper wire. When Comcast cable goes out I lose phone/TV/net. In my entire life I never lost copper wire phone, though I know it happens. --Vic |
AT&T offer's VOIP
On Dec 6, 11:59 am, wrote:
On Dec 6, 11:21 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their end (they had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different techs, all of which were from India and hard to understand. I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this **** when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will from me either;) Sadly, it usually is easy to tell when the caller is using VOIP. It is only a problem if they are limited on broadband upload and/or download. On Comcast, there is not difference on either end.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree, I know for a FACT that you can't tell the difference between my hardwire line and VOIP. I tried it, didn't tell anybody I got VOIP. Hell, my hardline from AT&T ALWAYS had static.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Maybe you can't tell, but others probably can at times. One or two calls don't make it fact, some days are better than otheres. Me, I can usually tell and you can take the chance if you want, but if you do business on VOIP, or cell even, I have little time to give you my money... |
AT&T offer's VOIP
|
AT&T offer's VOIP
JimH wrote:
wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their end (they had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different techs, all of which were from India and hard to understand. I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this **** when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will from me either;) The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks) then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable. Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through India. You want US tech support then double what you pay for Vonage service. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks) then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable. Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through India. You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit might be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the VOIP market at competitive prices. Indeed. I could care less if Vonage goes under as there are plenty of other options available. In the end I could do without any sort of home based phone service and it may eventually get to the point with us relying only our cell phones. Bad move. Keep the land-line for emergencies. It only costs about $10 a month. Maybe we are just stuck in our old habits................after all, how does the younger generation living on their own survive with *only* a cell phone? |
AT&T offer's VOIP
HK wrote:
JimH wrote: wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their end (they had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different techs, all of which were from India and hard to understand. I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this **** when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will from me either;) The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks) then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable. Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through India. A friend in Bal'mer is raving about the telco's new optical cable services...but it'll be centuries before they get down to my lightly densely populated 'hood. My densely populated hood doesn't have FiOS yet either. Ninety percent of the hood would switch to Verizon's cheaper "cable" and Internet if it was offered. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
BAR wrote:
HK wrote: JimH wrote: wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their end (they had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different techs, all of which were from India and hard to understand. I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this **** when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will from me either;) The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks) then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable. Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through India. A friend in Bal'mer is raving about the telco's new optical cable services...but it'll be centuries before they get down to my lightly densely populated 'hood. My densely populated hood doesn't have FiOS yet either. Ninety percent of the hood would switch to Verizon's cheaper "cable" and Internet if it was offered. From what I have read, I'd go for it. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. Your high speed internet must be significantly more reliable than ours from charter. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
Del Cecchi wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. Your high speed internet must be significantly more reliable than ours from charter. It really is. The download is at 20,000 kbs and upload at 2000 kbs, and I can't remember the last time I had an outage. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:42:21 -0600, "Del Cecchi"
wrote: Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. Your high speed internet must be significantly more reliable than ours from charter. Here is is a fairly good web site for testing your service quality: http://myspeed.visualware.com/ You could use it to document quality issues with your ISP. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:42:21 -0600, "Del Cecchi" wrote: Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. Your high speed internet must be significantly more reliable than ours from charter. Here is is a fairly good web site for testing your service quality: http://myspeed.visualware.com/ You could use it to document quality issues with your ISP. 26+ Mbps? I don't think so. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
Wayne.B wrote in
: http://myspeed.visualware.com/ Man that sucks! They said I was only doing 2.3Mbps and too jerky for VoIP service! Use the Flash tester at Speakeasy from lots of places across the country. http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ Speakeasy uses a LARGE file for the test, bypassing any ISP pulse of data from some trick. The speeds Speakeasy shows are SUSTAINED, not peak speeds...a true characterization of your speed. Here's my results on the SAME system from Speakeasy's Atlanta hub: Last Result: Download Speed: 7373 kbps (921.6 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 349 kbps (43.6 KB/sec transfer rate) There's 4 people connected to my Skype supernode, during this test, but they hardly use any bandwidth like Grabit downloading from Usenet does. Seattle is as far from me as Speakeasy tests. It only showed: Last Result: Download Speed: 3037 kbps (379.6 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 310 kbps (38.8 KB/sec transfer rate) at this moment's net loading. My ISP head end is in Atlanta, so that shows what Knology does to the head end of the net at 7.3Mbps. Your URL must be on the west coast to get only 2.3Mbps down to me. It reads way slow, giving a false report of your true speed. Larry -- Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you you're downloads threaten their networks...... .....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v |
AT&T offer's VOIP
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:24:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. VOIP is a diaster waiting to happen and when it does, all you VOIP losers...er...users are going to be stuck with no way to communicate. You heard it here first. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:24:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. VOIP is a diaster waiting to happen and when it does, all you VOIP losers...er...users are going to be stuck with no way to communicate. You heard it here first. Shhhhhhhh. Reggie stuck with no way to communicate? What's the down side to that? |
AT&T offer's VOIP
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:24:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. VOIP is a diaster waiting to happen and when it does, all you VOIP losers...er...users are going to be stuck with no way to communicate. You heard it here first. What, I can't hear you, can you speak a little louder. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
On Dec 6, 5:49 pm, HK wrote:
wrote: On Dec 6, 11:59 am, wrote: On Dec 6, 11:21 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their end (they had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different techs, all of which were from India and hard to understand. I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this **** when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will from me either;) Sadly, it usually is easy to tell when the caller is using VOIP. It is only a problem if they are limited on broadband upload and/or download. On Comcast, there is not difference on either end.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree, I know for a FACT that you can't tell the difference between my hardwire line and VOIP. I tried it, didn't tell anybody I got VOIP. Hell, my hardline from AT&T ALWAYS had static.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Maybe you can't tell, but others probably can at times. One or two calls don't make it fact, some days are better than otheres. Me, I can usually tell and you can take the chance if you want, but if you do business on VOIP, or cell even, I have little time to give you my money... Well, I'm not going to get into a posting marathon with Loggy, but I think it funny that he claims "for a fACT" that one cannot tell the difference between a hardwired line and a VOIP line because "he tried it."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Why do you find it funny, Harry? I switched, never told anyone I switched, and no one ever said anything about my sound quality. Now, my landline always had noise in it. Always. I'll guarantee that if you are in tune with such things, you'll hear noise in yours too. I've never regretted getting rid of my landline and DSL and going to cable high speed internet and VOIP. It's a shame that you and another person here always **** on things that you don't have. Just because you don't have it, nor want it, doesn't mean that it's a bad thing. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
On Dec 6, 7:12 pm, BAR wrote:
JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks) then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable. Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through India. You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit might be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the VOIP market at competitive prices. Indeed. I could care less if Vonage goes under as there are plenty of other options available. In the end I could do without any sort of home based phone service and it may eventually get to the point with us relying only our cell phones. Bad move. Keep the land-line for emergencies. It only costs about $10 a month. Maybe we are just stuck in our old habits................after all, how does the younger generation living on their own survive with *only* a cell phone?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What emergency would a land line handle that a cell phone won't? |
AT&T offer's VOIP
On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:15:09 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: VOIP is a diaster waiting to happen There are some places, like the Bahamas, where it makes a lot of sense. WiFi internet is readily available there but the cost of making phone calls is very high. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
On Dec 7, 7:11 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:24:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. VOIP is a diaster waiting to happen and when it does, all you VOIP losers...er...users are going to be stuck with no way to communicate. You heard it here first. What, I can't hear you, can you speak a little louder.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now Reggie, you must know that VOIP can't possibly compete with ancient 2 copper wire and switchhouse technology where every connection you make degrades the signal! Or can it?? Legacy telephony solutions are narrowband, which seriously limits the achievable quality. Wideband codecs could potentially be used in digital telephone systems, but this has never been practical enough to gain any real interest. In fact, in traditional telephony applications, the speech bandwidth is restricted much more than the inherent limitations of narrowband coding. Typical telephony is band limited to 300 Hz to 3400 Hz. This bandwidth limitation explains why we are used to expect telephony speech to sound weak, unnatural, and lack crispness. Sound Sample 4: First: Speech sampled at 44.1 kHz. Second: Narrowband speech. Third: Telephony band speech. Most phone lines connected to a household are traditional two-wire copper cables. Pure digital connections are typically only found in enterprise environments. Due to poor connections or old wires, significant distortion is often generated in the analog part of the phone connection, a type of distortion that is entirely absent from VoIP implementations. The cordless phones so popular today also generate significant amounts of analog distortion due to radio interference and other implementation issues. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
wrote in message ... On Dec 7, 7:11 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:24:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. VOIP is a diaster waiting to happen and when it does, all you VOIP losers...er...users are going to be stuck with no way to communicate. You heard it here first. What, I can't hear you, can you speak a little louder.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now Reggie, you must know that VOIP can't possibly compete with ancient 2 copper wire and switchhouse technology where every connection you make degrades the signal! Or can it?? Legacy telephony solutions are narrowband, which seriously limits the achievable quality. Wideband codecs could potentially be used in digital telephone systems, but this has never been practical enough to gain any real interest. In fact, in traditional telephony applications, the speech bandwidth is restricted much more than the inherent limitations of narrowband coding. Typical telephony is band limited to 300 Hz to 3400 Hz. This bandwidth limitation explains why we are used to expect telephony speech to sound weak, unnatural, and lack crispness. Sound Sample 4: First: Speech sampled at 44.1 kHz. Second: Narrowband speech. Third: Telephony band speech. Most phone lines connected to a household are traditional two-wire copper cables. Pure digital connections are typically only found in enterprise environments. Due to poor connections or old wires, significant distortion is often generated in the analog part of the phone connection, a type of distortion that is entirely absent from VoIP implementations. The cordless phones so popular today also generate significant amounts of analog distortion due to radio interference and other implementation issues. If you going to plagiarize something at least post the link to where the whole article can be read. For all users of VoIP to enjoy its full "capabilities", the Internet and all connections to it will have to be improved. It's no different than degraded copper lines used in POTS, the network must be up to the task. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 7:12 pm, BAR wrote: JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks) then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable. Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through India. You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit might be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the VOIP market at competitive prices. Indeed. I could care less if Vonage goes under as there are plenty of other options available. In the end I could do without any sort of home based phone service and it may eventually get to the point with us relying only our cell phones. Bad move. Keep the land-line for emergencies. It only costs about $10 a month. Maybe we are just stuck in our old habits................after all, how does the younger generation living on their own survive with *only* a cell phone?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What emergency would a land line handle that a cell phone won't? When AC power is down. Landline phones run off large battery banks. One of the reasons that you should have at least one, old fashioned non wireless phone in the house. If the power goes out, ou can not call for help of service. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 7:12 pm, BAR wrote: JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks) then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable. Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through India. You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit might be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the VOIP market at competitive prices. Indeed. I could care less if Vonage goes under as there are plenty of other options available. In the end I could do without any sort of home based phone service and it may eventually get to the point with us relying only our cell phones. Bad move. Keep the land-line for emergencies. It only costs about $10 a month. Maybe we are just stuck in our old habits................after all, how does the younger generation living on their own survive with *only* a cell phone?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What emergency would a land line handle that a cell phone won't? When AC power is down. Landline phones run off large battery banks. One of the reasons that you should have at least one, old fashioned non wireless phone in the house. If the power goes out, ou can not call for help of service. Bingo. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 7:12 pm, BAR wrote: JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks) then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable. Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through India. You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit might be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the VOIP market at competitive prices. Indeed. I could care less if Vonage goes under as there are plenty of other options available. In the end I could do without any sort of home based phone service and it may eventually get to the point with us relying only our cell phones. Bad move. Keep the land-line for emergencies. It only costs about $10 a month. Maybe we are just stuck in our old habits................after all, how does the younger generation living on their own survive with *only* a cell phone?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What emergency would a land line handle that a cell phone won't? When AC power is down. Landline phones run off large battery banks. One of the reasons that you should have at least one, old fashioned non wireless phone in the house. If the power goes out, ou can not call for help of service. Why couldn't you use your cell phone? |
AT&T offer's VOIP
On Dec 7, 2:56 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Dec 7, 7:11 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:24:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage. Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the market place working. VOIP is a diaster waiting to happen and when it does, all you VOIP losers...er...users are going to be stuck with no way to communicate. You heard it here first. What, I can't hear you, can you speak a little louder.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now Reggie, you must know that VOIP can't possibly compete with ancient 2 copper wire and switchhouse technology where every connection you make degrades the signal! Or can it?? Legacy telephony solutions are narrowband, which seriously limits the achievable quality. Wideband codecs could potentially be used in digital telephone systems, but this has never been practical enough to gain any real interest. In fact, in traditional telephony applications, the speech bandwidth is restricted much more than the inherent limitations of narrowband coding. Typical telephony is band limited to 300 Hz to 3400 Hz. This bandwidth limitation explains why we are used to expect telephony speech to sound weak, unnatural, and lack crispness. Sound Sample 4: First: Speech sampled at 44.1 kHz. Second: Narrowband speech. Third: Telephony band speech. Most phone lines connected to a household are traditional two-wire copper cables. Pure digital connections are typically only found in enterprise environments. Due to poor connections or old wires, significant distortion is often generated in the analog part of the phone connection, a type of distortion that is entirely absent from VoIP implementations. The cordless phones so popular today also generate significant amounts of analog distortion due to radio interference and other implementation issues. If you going to plagiarize something at least post the link to where the whole article can be read. Yeah, yeah.......... For all users of VoIP to enjoy its full "capabilities", the Internet and all connections to it will have to be improved. It's no different than degraded copper lines used in POTS, the network must be up to the task.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, HK wrote:
Calif Bill wrote: wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 7:12 pm, BAR wrote: JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message news:MZmdnUKGHs4SuMXanZ2dnUVZ_uDinZ2d@comcast. com... JimH wrote: The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks) then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable. Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through India. You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit might be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the VOIP market at competitive prices. Indeed. I could care less if Vonage goes under as there are plenty of other options available. In the end I could do without any sort of home based phone service and it may eventually get to the point with us relying only our cell phones. Bad move. Keep the land-line for emergencies. It only costs about $10 a month. Maybe we are just stuck in our old habits................after all, how does the younger generation living on their own survive with *only* a cell phone?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What emergency would a land line handle that a cell phone won't? When AC power is down. Landline phones run off large battery banks. One of the reasons that you should have at least one, old fashioned non wireless phone in the house. If the power goes out, ou can not call for help of service. Bingo.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I've never had a problem with my cell phone. Our area was without power for four days because of an ice storm three years ago. |
AT&T offer's VOIP
On Dec 7, 3:28 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:05:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Calif Bill wrote: wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 7:12 pm, BAR wrote: JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message news:MZmdnUKGHs4SuMXanZ2dnUVZ_uDinZ2d@comcast .com... JimH wrote: The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks) then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable. Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through India. You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit might be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the VOIP market at competitive prices. Indeed. I could care less if Vonage goes under as there are plenty of other options available. In the end I could do without any sort of home based phone service and it may eventually get to the point with us relying only our cell phones. Bad move. Keep the land-line for emergencies. It only costs about $10 a month. Maybe we are just stuck in our old habits................after all, how does the younger generation living on their own survive with *only* a cell phone?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What emergency would a land line handle that a cell phone won't? When AC power is down. Landline phones run off large battery banks. One of the reasons that you should have at least one, old fashioned non wireless phone in the house. If the power goes out, ou can not call for help of service. Why couldn't you use your cell phone? Cell sites need power to run, as well. They may have a small UPS, but that likely won't keep it operational for very long.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We was without power for four days in our area because of an ice storm, which by the way took phone lines out, too, and my cell phone worked the whole time. |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:21 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 BoatBanter.com