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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Dec 2, 8:23 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Dec 2, 7:59 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Dec 2, 7:28 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Sorry to interrupt the usual drivel in here, but
I did want to report good customer service from Raymarine.
I have a Ray fishfinder/depthfinder on son of Yo Ho. I didn't
think
the
display was bright enough, so last September I called and asked
what
to
do. I was told to simply return the unit after the boating season
and
Ray's service department would look it over.
Sent the unit back last week, got a phone call Wednesday, told
there
was
nothing out of the ordinary, but the company was sending a brand
new
unit
just to make sure.
It arrived yesterday.
Cool.
Oh...side benefit...everyone I spoke with at Ray spoke English
properly,
with a solid Yankee accent!
I'd tell you what's paying for that great service, but it would
turn
this
into a political discussion. It's enough to say that it's your tax
dollars,
and that you should buy as much RTN stock as you can afford, along
with
some
HRS.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Aren't you the one who went all tin foil hat about some kids website
a
couple of months back?
No. You must be imagining that.
Right now, explain how you came to that conclusion based on what I
said.
Do
it carefully. Remember that you are disabled.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
No Joe, it was you. You freaked out and told us we were all
downloading some malware by clicking on the kids site. The kid post
the site every few months, been doing it for years... smerk...
OK. You're right.

Now, explain your tin foil hat bull****, and how it made sense as a
response
to my stock suggestions.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think you see conspiracy where it is not, and I think your personal
politics leads your imagination. I think you read a lot but can't
process all that information logically, or put it to practical use. I
think you either have some insider info (doubt it) or are seeing
things again when it comes to your stock call.... Hows that for
disabled? :O


We already have our quota of Larrys in here.


Jeeeeeezus....I make a positive comment about RTN's financials, and the
child goes off the deep end, talking about conspiracy theories.


You will be better off investing in Citigroup and riding out the present
troubles. RTN has never been a great dividend payer and they are already at
a very high price. Same with Harris group. You want investment advice?
Healthcare stocks will probably be number one with the greying of the
citizenry.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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You do know that Raymarine has not been a business division of
Raytheon since 2001 right?

I shuda read more of this thread.

The Navigator's electronics were ordered in 2000 and the radar, GPS,
depth/fish finder, autopilot, etc. are all marked "Raytheon".

If they had been purchased a year later they would be marked "RayMarine".

There was some initial quality and service concerns when the commercial
side was sold, but it seems that most are happy with the equipment.

Eisboch


And lots of it was Texas Instruments Military division that they sold to
RTN.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:55:49 -0500, HK wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the usual drivel in here, but
I did want to report good customer service from Raymarine.

I have a Ray fishfinder/depthfinder on son of Yo Ho. I didn't think the
display was bright enough, so last September I called and asked what to
do. I was told to simply return the unit after the boating season and
Ray's service department would look it over.

Sent the unit back last week, got a phone call Wednesday, told there was
nothing out of the ordinary, but the company was sending a brand new
unit just to make sure.

It arrived yesterday.

Cool.

Oh...side benefit...everyone I spoke with at Ray spoke English properly,
with a solid Yankee accent!
================================================== =
That's good to know but I can tell you from personal experience that
if you had bought a Furuno, the display would have been bright enough
right out of the box. I have to turn ours way down at night to keep
from being blinded by it. It is highly visible in direct sunlight on
the flybridge and that was a deciding factor in buying it.

If you take a look around at what commercial fisherman are using, well
over 90% are Furuno.





Sure, Dwayne, whatever you say. I had a Furuno fishfinder on the
original YoHo and was unimpressed by it, but I am sure your experiences
with Furuno fishfinders on the flying bridge of your RV are relevant.

Good Service from Raymarine
 

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:50:09 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:04:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Um...no - Raytheon does not have any interest in Raymarine.

The Recreational Products Division was sold to management in a
levereged buy out with backing from British private equity firm
administered by KPMG.

It has no affiliation to Raytheon.

Which is really too bad because Raytheon made some first rate
equipment.

Yeah they did, but the entire rec marine engineering staff came with
the buy out.

Don't know if they are still there though.

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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:27:31 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .

I messed around with one of these yesterday and had a lot of fun with
it.

http://www.steelguitar.com/webpix/stdpix/d10ebapr.htm

Don't know that I want to learn a whole new technique though.

Kelly has a good reputation, and for acoustic instruments, Fishman
electronics are highly regarded. But, there's one thing to consider with
acoustic basses, and it's true regardless of the brand: When you're
playing
alone, it'll sound plenty loud to you, even without an amp. It's an
illusion. It won't hold its own against other instruments, except maybe a
flute. Bass needs more power to go anywhere significant.

I don't expect to play with others - this is just for my own amusement
and trying to keep the fingers nimble enough - I've been having some
problems with dexterity and need to exercise them more.

And I hate the exercises the therapist recommends.

Bass would certainly do it. But (there's always a "but"), do you envision
sitting or standing while you play?

That's a good question - probably a combination of both.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:50:09 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:04:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Um...no - Raytheon does not have any interest in Raymarine.

The Recreational Products Division was sold to management in a
levereged buy out with backing from British private equity firm
administered by KPMG.

It has no affiliation to Raytheon.
Which is really too bad because Raytheon made some first rate
equipment.

Yeah they did, but the entire rec marine engineering staff came with
the buy out.

Don't know if they are still there though.


Since it was a management buy-out and therefore there was some incentive
for the company to "make it," maybe some did. In the usual conglomerate
buy-out these days, the best thing smart employees usually can do is
desert the stinking ship before the massive layoffs begin.

I've actually seen a tee-shirt saying "Screw the New Corporate Owners
Before They Screw Us!"

Good Service from Raymarine
 

HK wrote:

================================================== =
That's good to know but I can tell you from personal experience that
if you had bought a Furuno, the display would have been bright enough
right out of the box. I have to turn ours way down at night to keep
from being blinded by it. It is highly visible in direct sunlight on
the flybridge and that was a deciding factor in buying it.

If you take a look around at what commercial fisherman are using, well
over 90% are Furuno.





Sure, Dwayne, whatever you say. I had a Furuno fishfinder on the
original YoHo and was unimpressed by it, but I am sure your experiences
with Furuno fishfinders on the flying bridge of your RV are relevant.

Harry,
Since Wayne uses his boat more in one week, than you will in 5 years,
why isn't his opinion relevant? I think you summed up your feelings
towards everyone else's opinion in your original post, when you said "
Sorry to interrupt the usual drivel in here" .

You seem to feel that the only opinion that has any value is yours. Why
is that?

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:

================================================== =
That's good to know but I can tell you from personal experience that
if you had bought a Furuno, the display would have been bright enough
right out of the box. I have to turn ours way down at night to keep
from being blinded by it. It is highly visible in direct sunlight on
the flybridge and that was a deciding factor in buying it.

If you take a look around at what commercial fisherman are using, well
over 90% are Furuno.





Sure, Dwayne, whatever you say. I had a Furuno fishfinder on the
original YoHo and was unimpressed by it, but I am sure your
experiences with Furuno fishfinders on the flying bridge of your RV
are relevant.

Harry,
Since Wayne uses his boat more in one week, than you will in 5 years,
why isn't his opinion relevant? I think you summed up your feelings
towards everyone else's opinion in your original post, when you said "
Sorry to interrupt the usual drivel in here" .

You seem to feel that the only opinion that has any value is yours. Why
is that?


For the answer to this question you are posing and any other, "Reggie,"
bend over, put your head between your knees, and look up.

Good Service from Raymarine
 

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:45:12 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:55:49 -0500, HK wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the usual drivel in here, but
I did want to report good customer service from Raymarine.

I have a Ray fishfinder/depthfinder on son of Yo Ho. I didn't think the
display was bright enough, so last September I called and asked what to
do. I was told to simply return the unit after the boating season and
Ray's service department would look it over.

Sent the unit back last week, got a phone call Wednesday, told there was
nothing out of the ordinary, but the company was sending a brand new
unit just to make sure.

It arrived yesterday.

Cool.

Oh...side benefit...everyone I spoke with at Ray spoke English properly,
with a solid Yankee accent!
================================================= ==
That's good to know but I can tell you from personal experience that
if you had bought a Furuno, the display would have been bright enough
right out of the box. I have to turn ours way down at night to keep
from being blinded by it. It is highly visible in direct sunlight on
the flybridge and that was a deciding factor in buying it.

If you take a look around at what commercial fisherman are using, well
over 90% are Furuno.

When I bought my first Contender, I looked at both systems and didn't
see a lot of difference - both quality small boat systems.

I went with Raymarine only because I have a family connection to
Raytheon and up to that point, always used Raytheon marine equipment.
And I will admit to being a "brand" loyal type of person - with two
exceptions, I've always bought Ford vehicles.

Not a knock on Furuno, but I think a lot is market penetration - used
to be DECCA 202s that were popular small marine radars. I look at
Furuno kinda like Yamaha - they are ok engines, but monkey see, monkey
do. :)

Wow - that DECCA thing goes back a few years.

~~ sheesh ~~

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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:35:43 -0500, HK wrote:

Sure, Dwayne, whatever you say. I had a Furuno fishfinder on the
original YoHo and was unimpressed by it, but I am sure your experiences
with Furuno fishfinders on the flying bridge of your RV are relevant.

Harry, cut it out - the "snark" puts you at the same level as a couple
of others here.

Good Service from Raymarine
 

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:50:09 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:04:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Um...no - Raytheon does not have any interest in Raymarine.

The Recreational Products Division was sold to management in a
levereged buy out with backing from British private equity firm
administered by KPMG.

It has no affiliation to Raytheon.
Which is really too bad because Raytheon made some first rate
equipment.

Yeah they did, but the entire rec marine engineering staff came with
the buy out.

Don't know if they are still there though.


Since it was a management buy-out and therefore there was some incentive
for the company to "make it," maybe some did. In the usual conglomerate
buy-out these days, the best thing smart employees usually can do is
desert the stinking ship before the massive layoffs begin.

I've actually seen a tee-shirt saying "Screw the New Corporate Owners
Before They Screw Us!"


It sounds like they are the kind of employee everyone wished would quit.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
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On Dec 2, 8:36 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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...





On Dec 2, 8:23 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 2, 7:59 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 2, 7:28 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Sorry to interrupt the usual drivel in here, but
I did want to report good customer service from Raymarine.
I have a Ray fishfinder/depthfinder on son of Yo Ho. I didn't
think
the
display was bright enough, so last September I called and
asked
what
to
do. I was told to simply return the unit after the boating
season
and
Ray's service department would look it over.
Sent the unit back last week, got a phone call Wednesday, told
there
was
nothing out of the ordinary, but the company was sending a
brand
new
unit
just to make sure.
It arrived yesterday.
Cool.
Oh...side benefit...everyone I spoke with at Ray spoke English
properly,
with a solid Yankee accent!
I'd tell you what's paying for that great service, but it would
turn
this
into a political discussion. It's enough to say that it's your
tax
dollars,
and that you should buy as much RTN stock as you can afford,
along
with
some
HRS.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Aren't you the one who went all tin foil hat about some kids
website
a
couple of months back?
No. You must be imagining that.
Right now, explain how you came to that conclusion based on what I
said.
Do
it carefully. Remember that you are disabled.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
No Joe, it was you. You freaked out and told us we were all
downloading some malware by clicking on the kids site. The kid post
the site every few months, been doing it for years... smerk...
OK. You're right.
Now, explain your tin foil hat bull****, and how it made sense as a
response
to my stock suggestions.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I think you see conspiracy where it is not, and I think your personal
politics leads your imagination. I think you read a lot but can't
process all that information logically, or put it to practical use. I
think you either have some insider info (doubt it) or are seeing
things again when it comes to your stock call.... Hows that for
disabled? :O
Are you saying that Raytheon's defense business doesn't make an important
contribution to the quality of its tech support for its other customers?
That's what I said in the paragraph which I've repeated below, in case
you've already lost track of the conversation.
No, but I have grown bored of it;)


You are a terrible dancer.

You have two left feet!

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HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:50:09 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:04:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Um...no - Raytheon does not have any interest in Raymarine.

The Recreational Products Division was sold to management in a
levereged buy out with backing from British private equity firm
administered by KPMG.

It has no affiliation to Raytheon.
Which is really too bad because Raytheon made some first rate
equipment.

Yeah they did, but the entire rec marine engineering staff came with
the buy out.

Don't know if they are still there though.


Since it was a management buy-out and therefore there was some incentive
for the company to "make it," maybe some did. In the usual conglomerate
buy-out these days, the best thing smart employees usually can do is
desert the stinking ship before the massive layoffs begin.

I assume you have never been offered a retention bonus?

I've actually seen a tee-shirt saying "Screw the New Corporate Owners
Before They Screw Us!"

That depends, sometimes the New Corporate Owners are better than the Old
Corporate Owners.

Good Service from Raymarine
 

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:35:43 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:55:49 -0500, HK wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the usual drivel in here, but
I did want to report good customer service from Raymarine.

I have a Ray fishfinder/depthfinder on son of Yo Ho. I didn't think the
display was bright enough, so last September I called and asked what to
do. I was told to simply return the unit after the boating season and
Ray's service department would look it over.

Sent the unit back last week, got a phone call Wednesday, told there was
nothing out of the ordinary, but the company was sending a brand new
unit just to make sure.

It arrived yesterday.

Cool.

Oh...side benefit...everyone I spoke with at Ray spoke English properly,
with a solid Yankee accent!
================================================== =
That's good to know but I can tell you from personal experience that
if you had bought a Furuno, the display would have been bright enough
right out of the box. I have to turn ours way down at night to keep
from being blinded by it. It is highly visible in direct sunlight on
the flybridge and that was a deciding factor in buying it.

If you take a look around at what commercial fisherman are using, well
over 90% are Furuno.





Sure, Dwayne, whatever you say. I had a Furuno fishfinder on the
original YoHo and was unimpressed by it, but I am sure your experiences
with Furuno fishfinders on the flying bridge of your RV are relevant.

Harry, there were lots of times in the bay when I thought my fishfinder was
a total piece of trash. It was a Lowrance. Pure garbage.

Then someone mentioned the possibility that I was not over any fish. What
an eye opener! After a while, I thought it was a pretty decent unit.
--
John H

Good Service from Raymarine
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:45:12 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:55:49 -0500, HK wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the usual drivel in here, but
I did want to report good customer service from Raymarine.

I have a Ray fishfinder/depthfinder on son of Yo Ho. I didn't think the
display was bright enough, so last September I called and asked what to
do. I was told to simply return the unit after the boating season and
Ray's service department would look it over.

Sent the unit back last week, got a phone call Wednesday, told there was
nothing out of the ordinary, but the company was sending a brand new
unit just to make sure.

It arrived yesterday.

Cool.

Oh...side benefit...everyone I spoke with at Ray spoke English properly,
with a solid Yankee accent!
================================================== =
That's good to know but I can tell you from personal experience that
if you had bought a Furuno, the display would have been bright enough
right out of the box. I have to turn ours way down at night to keep
from being blinded by it. It is highly visible in direct sunlight on
the flybridge and that was a deciding factor in buying it.

If you take a look around at what commercial fisherman are using, well
over 90% are Furuno.

When I bought my first Contender, I looked at both systems and didn't
see a lot of difference - both quality small boat systems.

I went with Raymarine only because I have a family connection to
Raytheon and up to that point, always used Raytheon marine equipment.
And I will admit to being a "brand" loyal type of person - with two
exceptions, I've always bought Ford vehicles.

Not a knock on Furuno, but I think a lot is market penetration - used
to be DECCA 202s that were popular small marine radars. I look at
Furuno kinda like Yamaha - they are ok engines, but monkey see, monkey
do. :)

Wow - that DECCA thing goes back a few years.

~~ sheesh ~~


The first Furuno fishfinder mounted on the original Yo Ho died during
the first season and it took Furuno a full month to replace it. I also
had to replace the Furuno-branded transducer once. Both units were
properly installed.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:35:43 -0500, HK wrote:

Sure, Dwayne, whatever you say. I had a Furuno fishfinder on the
original YoHo and was unimpressed by it, but I am sure your experiences
with Furuno fishfinders on the flying bridge of your RV are relevant.

Harry, cut it out - the "snark" puts you at the same level as a couple
of others here.

Sorry, but I don't see where the under $1000 Furuno fishfinders are
better than any others in the same price and feature class. I had much
better service from Raymarine than Furuno.

Good Service from Raymarine
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:50:09 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:04:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Um...no - Raytheon does not have any interest in Raymarine.

The Recreational Products Division was sold to management in a
levereged buy out with backing from British private equity firm
administered by KPMG.

It has no affiliation to Raytheon.
Which is really too bad because Raytheon made some first rate
equipment.

Yeah they did, but the entire rec marine engineering staff came with
the buy out.

Don't know if they are still there though.


Since it was a management buy-out and therefore there was some
incentive for the company to "make it," maybe some did. In the usual
conglomerate buy-out these days, the best thing smart employees
usually can do is desert the stinking ship before the massive layoffs
begin.

I assume you have never been offered a retention bonus?

I've actually seen a tee-shirt saying "Screw the New Corporate Owners
Before They Screw Us!"

That depends, sometimes the New Corporate Owners are better than the Old
Corporate Owners.



I believe that might have been the case more often a few decades ago.

Good Service from Raymarine
 

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:35:43 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:55:49 -0500, HK wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the usual drivel in here, but
I did want to report good customer service from Raymarine.

I have a Ray fishfinder/depthfinder on son of Yo Ho. I didn't think the
display was bright enough, so last September I called and asked what to
do. I was told to simply return the unit after the boating season and
Ray's service department would look it over.

Sent the unit back last week, got a phone call Wednesday, told there was
nothing out of the ordinary, but the company was sending a brand new
unit just to make sure.

It arrived yesterday.

Cool.

Oh...side benefit...everyone I spoke with at Ray spoke English properly,
with a solid Yankee accent!
================================================== =
That's good to know but I can tell you from personal experience that
if you had bought a Furuno, the display would have been bright enough
right out of the box. I have to turn ours way down at night to keep
from being blinded by it. It is highly visible in direct sunlight on
the flybridge and that was a deciding factor in buying it.

If you take a look around at what commercial fisherman are using, well
over 90% are Furuno.




Sure, Dwayne, whatever you say. I had a Furuno fishfinder on the
original YoHo and was unimpressed by it, but I am sure your experiences
with Furuno fishfinders on the flying bridge of your RV are relevant.

Harry, there were lots of times in the bay when I thought my fishfinder was
a total piece of trash. It was a Lowrance. Pure garbage.

Then someone mentioned the possibility that I was not over any fish. What
an eye opener! After a while, I thought it was a pretty decent unit.


Yeah, well, my Furuno unit went teats up and it took Furuno a month to
replace it. I had to replace a Furuno 'ducer, too.

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..


Since it was a management buy-out and therefore there was some incentive
for the company to "make it," maybe some did. In the usual conglomerate
buy-out these days, the best thing smart employees usually can do is
desert the stinking ship before the massive layoffs begin.

I've actually seen a tee-shirt saying "Screw the New Corporate Owners
Before They Screw Us!"


Harry, your perpetual pessimism is truly amazing.

Eisboch

Good Service from Raymarine
 

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:35:43 -0500, HK wrote:

Sure, Dwayne, whatever you say. I had a Furuno fishfinder on the
original YoHo and was unimpressed by it, but I am sure your
experiences with Furuno fishfinders on the flying bridge of your RV
are relevant.

Harry, cut it out - the "snark" puts you at the same level as a couple
of others here.

Sorry, but I don't see where the under $1000 Furuno fishfinders are
better than any others in the same price and feature class. I had much
better service from Raymarine than Furuno.

Harry,
I think your service from Raymarine was excellent, and the fact that you
are now pleased with your Fishfinder, does not diminish someone else
having excellent quality and service from Furuno Fishfinders. You made
your post because you were impressed by their service. Wayne made his
post because he has been pleased with his Furuno. As much as I agree
that Raymarine provided excellent service. I think most of us would
prefer an excellent product straight out of the box, that did not need
to go back to the mfg'er.

Wayne's opinion is just as valuable as yours. The fact that he uses his
fishfinder substantially more, speaks to the dependability he has had
with his Furuno.

Good Service from Raymarine
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:35:43 -0500, HK wrote:

Sure, Dwayne, whatever you say. I had a Furuno fishfinder on the
original YoHo and was unimpressed by it, but I am sure your
experiences with Furuno fishfinders on the flying bridge of your RV
are relevant.

Harry, cut it out - the "snark" puts you at the same level as a couple
of others here.

Sorry, but I don't see where the under $1000 Furuno fishfinders are
better than any others in the same price and feature class. I had much
better service from Raymarine than Furuno.

Harry,
I think...

Why do you think I give a tinker's dam about what you think?

Good Service from Raymarine
 

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:45:34 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:45:12 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:55:49 -0500, HK wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the usual drivel in here, but
I did want to report good customer service from Raymarine.

I have a Ray fishfinder/depthfinder on son of Yo Ho. I didn't think the
display was bright enough, so last September I called and asked what to
do. I was told to simply return the unit after the boating season and
Ray's service department would look it over.

Sent the unit back last week, got a phone call Wednesday, told there was
nothing out of the ordinary, but the company was sending a brand new
unit just to make sure.

It arrived yesterday.

Cool.

Oh...side benefit...everyone I spoke with at Ray spoke English properly,
with a solid Yankee accent!
================================================== =
That's good to know but I can tell you from personal experience that
if you had bought a Furuno, the display would have been bright enough
right out of the box. I have to turn ours way down at night to keep
from being blinded by it. It is highly visible in direct sunlight on
the flybridge and that was a deciding factor in buying it.

If you take a look around at what commercial fisherman are using, well
over 90% are Furuno.

When I bought my first Contender, I looked at both systems and didn't
see a lot of difference - both quality small boat systems.

I went with Raymarine only because I have a family connection to
Raytheon and up to that point, always used Raytheon marine equipment.
And I will admit to being a "brand" loyal type of person - with two
exceptions, I've always bought Ford vehicles.

Not a knock on Furuno, but I think a lot is market penetration - used
to be DECCA 202s that were popular small marine radars. I look at
Furuno kinda like Yamaha - they are ok engines, but monkey see, monkey
do. :)

Wow - that DECCA thing goes back a few years.

~~ sheesh ~~

The first Furuno fishfinder mounted on the original Yo Ho died during
the first season and it took Furuno a full month to replace it. I also
had to replace the Furuno-branded transducer once. Both units were
properly installed.

Counter point - I've never owned a Garmin unit that worked properly
first time out of the box and, in my experience, their customer
service leaves a lot to be desired. Yet a lot of people have nothing
but good things to say about them.

So - who knows.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...


You will be better off investing in Citigroup and riding out the present
troubles. RTN has never been a great dividend payer and they are already
at a very high price. Same with Harris group. You want investment
advice? Healthcare stocks will probably be number one with the greying of
the citizenry.


EWZ is my personal favorite- I'm retiring 15 years earlier than planned
because of this one fund.

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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:25:04 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:45:34 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:45:12 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:55:49 -0500, HK wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the usual drivel in here, but
I did want to report good customer service from Raymarine.

I have a Ray fishfinder/depthfinder on son of Yo Ho. I didn't think the
display was bright enough, so last September I called and asked what to
do. I was told to simply return the unit after the boating season and
Ray's service department would look it over.

Sent the unit back last week, got a phone call Wednesday, told there was
nothing out of the ordinary, but the company was sending a brand new
unit just to make sure.

It arrived yesterday.

Cool.

Oh...side benefit...everyone I spoke with at Ray spoke English properly,
with a solid Yankee accent!
================================================== =
That's good to know but I can tell you from personal experience that
if you had bought a Furuno, the display would have been bright enough
right out of the box. I have to turn ours way down at night to keep
from being blinded by it. It is highly visible in direct sunlight on
the flybridge and that was a deciding factor in buying it.

If you take a look around at what commercial fisherman are using, well
over 90% are Furuno.

When I bought my first Contender, I looked at both systems and didn't
see a lot of difference - both quality small boat systems.

I went with Raymarine only because I have a family connection to
Raytheon and up to that point, always used Raytheon marine equipment.
And I will admit to being a "brand" loyal type of person - with two
exceptions, I've always bought Ford vehicles.

Not a knock on Furuno, but I think a lot is market penetration - used
to be DECCA 202s that were popular small marine radars. I look at
Furuno kinda like Yamaha - they are ok engines, but monkey see, monkey
do. :)

Wow - that DECCA thing goes back a few years.

~~ sheesh ~~

The first Furuno fishfinder mounted on the original Yo Ho died during
the first season and it took Furuno a full month to replace it. I also
had to replace the Furuno-branded transducer once. Both units were
properly installed.

Counter point - I've never owned a Garmin unit that worked properly
first time out of the box and, in my experience, their customer
service leaves a lot to be desired. Yet a lot of people have nothing
but good things to say about them.

So - who knows.

da, DA!

The Shadow knows....
--
John H

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:27:31 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..

I messed around with one of these yesterday and had a lot of fun with
it.

http://www.steelguitar.com/webpix/stdpix/d10ebapr.htm

Don't know that I want to learn a whole new technique though.

Kelly has a good reputation, and for acoustic instruments, Fishman
electronics are highly regarded. But, there's one thing to consider with
acoustic basses, and it's true regardless of the brand: When you're
playing
alone, it'll sound plenty loud to you, even without an amp. It's an
illusion. It won't hold its own against other instruments, except maybe
a
flute. Bass needs more power to go anywhere significant.

I don't expect to play with others - this is just for my own amusement
and trying to keep the fingers nimble enough - I've been having some
problems with dexterity and need to exercise them more.

And I hate the exercises the therapist recommends.

Bass would certainly do it. But (there's always a "but"), do you envision
sitting or standing while you play?

That's a good question - probably a combination of both.


Hollow body instruments can present problems if you play while sitting. The
body has a sharp bend where your right arm hangs over the edge. If the edge
presses into your wrist/lower arm in just the right way, it's painful enough
to make you want to stop playing.

Even a solid body bass with a smooth, round edge can be a problem while
sitting, depending on where the edge lands on your arm. Be sure you spend
some time in the store, sitting with the bass in a chair that's similar to
the one you'll use at home. You should be able to play without bending your
wrist too much. Otherwise, fatigue sets in quickly and you won't want to
play.

By the way, the Kelly bass isn't really an acoustic in the same category as
this style, for instance:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...ass?sku=511994

What I said last night about lack of sound projection will be even more
pronounced with the Kelly and others that have a thin acoustic body. So, an
amp is almost a necessity. You can learn to milk more sound out of an
unamplified instrument, but it'll still only be enough for practice.

Finally, take a close look at where the neck meets the body of a bass. For
instance, compare these three:

http://www.michaelkellyguitars.com/dragonfly.html
http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?...ollectionID=12
http://www.peavey.com/products/brows...%20Bubinga.cfm

The three examples show various levels of access to the last few frets.
Although bassists don't play down there often, you may want to. He did, and
his basses always had enough of a cutaway to allow it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4kzCoLNAjo

Anyway, if I were starting over, I'd go for a solid body. Don't fall in love
with the wood. Get something that's really comfortable.

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"BAR" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
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On Dec 2, 8:36 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Dec 2, 8:23 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message
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On Dec 2, 7:59 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 2, 7:28 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Sorry to interrupt the usual drivel in here, but
I did want to report good customer service from Raymarine.
I have a Ray fishfinder/depthfinder on son of Yo Ho. I didn't
think
the
display was bright enough, so last September I called and asked
what
to
do. I was told to simply return the unit after the boating
season
and
Ray's service department would look it over.
Sent the unit back last week, got a phone call Wednesday, told
there
was
nothing out of the ordinary, but the company was sending a brand
new
unit
just to make sure.
It arrived yesterday.
Cool.
Oh...side benefit...everyone I spoke with at Ray spoke English
properly,
with a solid Yankee accent!
I'd tell you what's paying for that great service, but it would
turn
this
into a political discussion. It's enough to say that it's your
tax
dollars,
and that you should buy as much RTN stock as you can afford,
along
with
some
HRS.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Aren't you the one who went all tin foil hat about some kids
website
a
couple of months back?
No. You must be imagining that.
Right now, explain how you came to that conclusion based on what I
said.
Do
it carefully. Remember that you are disabled.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
No Joe, it was you. You freaked out and told us we were all
downloading some malware by clicking on the kids site. The kid post
the site every few months, been doing it for years... smerk...
OK. You're right.
Now, explain your tin foil hat bull****, and how it made sense as a
response
to my stock suggestions.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I think you see conspiracy where it is not, and I think your personal
politics leads your imagination. I think you read a lot but can't
process all that information logically, or put it to practical use. I
think you either have some insider info (doubt it) or are seeing
things again when it comes to your stock call.... Hows that for
disabled? :O
Are you saying that Raytheon's defense business doesn't make an
important
contribution to the quality of its tech support for its other
customers?
That's what I said in the paragraph which I've repeated below, in case
you've already lost track of the conversation.
No, but I have grown bored of it;)


You are a terrible dancer.

You have two left feet!


I know, and one is backwards.

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Sorry to interrupt the usual drivel in here, but
I did want to report good customer service from Raymarine.

I have a Ray fishfinder/depthfinder on son of Yo Ho. I didn't think the
display was bright enough, so last September I called and asked what to
do. I was told to simply return the unit after the boating season and
Ray's service department would look it over.

Sent the unit back last week, got a phone call Wednesday, told there was
nothing out of the ordinary, but the company was sending a brand new
unit just to make sure.

It arrived yesterday.

Cool.

Oh...side benefit...everyone I spoke with at Ray spoke English properly,
with a solid Yankee accent!


I'd tell you what's paying for that great service, but it would turn this
into a political discussion. It's enough to say that it's your tax
dollars, and that you should buy as much RTN stock as you can afford,
along with some HRS.

How much HRS and RTN do you own?


None, yet. I'm fully invested in my IRA, and all my attention is now on my
son's request to begin investing. He began with Citigroup. RTN and HRS
wouldn't fit his plans at this time.

Good Service from Raymarine
 

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:35:43 -0500, HK wrote:

Sure, Dwayne, whatever you say. I had a Furuno fishfinder on the
original YoHo and was unimpressed by it, but I am sure your
experiences with Furuno fishfinders on the flying bridge of your RV
are relevant.

Harry, cut it out - the "snark" puts you at the same level as a couple
of others here.

Sorry, but I don't see where the under $1000 Furuno fishfinders are
better than any others in the same price and feature class. I had
much better service from Raymarine than Furuno.

Harry,
I think...

Why do you think I give a tinker's dam about what you think?

Whenever someone makes a post in a NG, they are making to post to the OP
and whomever else reads the post. It really doesn't matter if you give
a damn, I am giving my opinion, which in this case is 100% accurate.
Feel free to ignore it. If you notice, SWF made the same observation I
did.

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

Anyway, if I were starting over, I'd go for a solid body. Don't fall in
love with the wood. Get something that's really comfortable.


Not a bass, but ...

The other day I was talking to one of my dock neighbors. He and his wife
are full-time liveaboards, and are really good folks. (Here's their
"yacht")

http://www.eisboch.com/yachtclub.jpg

While we were yaking I happened to notice a guitar on his houseboat. Turns
out it's a late 50's vintage Guild 12 string and his pride and joy. He's a
country music type, but we plan to get together and hum and strum this
winter, serenading the fish.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

Anyway, if I were starting over, I'd go for a solid body. Don't fall in
love with the wood. Get something that's really comfortable.


Not a bass, but ...

The other day I was talking to one of my dock neighbors. He and his wife
are full-time liveaboards, and are really good folks. (Here's their
"yacht")

http://www.eisboch.com/yachtclub.jpg

While we were yaking I happened to notice a guitar on his houseboat.
Turns out it's a late 50's vintage Guild 12 string and his pride and joy.
He's a country music type, but we plan to get together and hum and strum
this winter, serenading the fish.

Eisboch


Nice yot!

Good Service from Raymarine
 

Eisboch wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
Anyway, if I were starting over, I'd go for a solid body. Don't fall in
love with the wood. Get something that's really comfortable.


Not a bass, but ...

The other day I was talking to one of my dock neighbors. He and his wife
are full-time liveaboards, and are really good folks. (Here's their
"yacht")

http://www.eisboch.com/yachtclub.jpg

While we were yaking I happened to notice a guitar on his houseboat. Turns
out it's a late 50's vintage Guild 12 string and his pride and joy. He's a
country music type, but we plan to get together and hum and strum this
winter, serenading the fish.

Eisboch




He certainly has the right attitude about "yots" and those who frequent
"yot clubs."

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On Dec 3, 9:03 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message

...



Anyway, if I were starting over, I'd go for a solid body. Don't fall in
love with the wood. Get something that's really comfortable.

Not a bass, but ...

The other day I was talking to one of my dock neighbors. He and his wife
are full-time liveaboards, and are really good folks. (Here's their
"yacht")

http://www.eisboch.com/yachtclub.jpg

While we were yaking I happened to notice a guitar on his houseboat. Turns
out it's a late 50's vintage Guild 12 string and his pride and joy. He's a
country music type, but we plan to get together and hum and strum this
winter, serenading the fish.

Eisboch

Hey, I wanna' jam too;)

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On Dec 2, 8:30 pm, wrote:
On Dec 2, 8:23 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





wrote in message

...

On Dec 2, 7:59 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Dec 2, 7:28 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...

Sorry to interrupt the usual drivel in here, but
I did want to report good customer service from Raymarine.

I have a Ray fishfinder/depthfinder on son of Yo Ho. I didn't think
the
display was bright enough, so last September I called and asked what
to
do. I was told to simply return the unit after the boating season
and
Ray's service department would look it over.

Sent the unit back last week, got a phone call Wednesday, told there
was
nothing out of the ordinary, but the company was sending a brand new
unit
just to make sure.

It arrived yesterday.

Cool.

Oh...side benefit...everyone I spoke with at Ray spoke English
properly,
with a solid Yankee accent!

I'd tell you what's paying for that great service, but it would turn
this
into a political discussion. It's enough to say that it's your tax
dollars,
and that you should buy as much RTN stock as you can afford, along
with
some
HRS.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Aren't you the one who went all tin foil hat about some kids website a
couple of months back?

No. You must be imagining that.

Right now, explain how you came to that conclusion based on what I said.
Do
it carefully. Remember that you are disabled.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No Joe, it was you. You freaked out and told us we were all
downloading some malware by clicking on the kids site. The kid post
the site every few months, been doing it for years... smerk...

OK. You're right.

Now, explain your tin foil hat bull****, and how it made sense as a response
to my stock suggestions.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think you see conspiracy where it is not, and I think your personal
politics leads your imagination.

Sort of like 90%+ of scientists that are lying about global warming?

Good Service from Raymarine
 

On Dec 3, 2:15 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
You want investment advice?

Not from the handyman.

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On Dec 3, 10:08 am, wrote:
On Dec 2, 8:30 pm, wrote:





On Dec 2, 8:23 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

wrote in message

...

On Dec 2, 7:59 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Dec 2, 7:28 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...

Sorry to interrupt the usual drivel in here, but
I did want to report good customer service from Raymarine.

I have a Ray fishfinder/depthfinder on son of Yo Ho. I didn't think
the
display was bright enough, so last September I called and asked what
to
do. I was told to simply return the unit after the boating season
and
Ray's service department would look it over.

Sent the unit back last week, got a phone call Wednesday, told there
was
nothing out of the ordinary, but the company was sending a brand new
unit
just to make sure.

It arrived yesterday.

Cool.

Oh...side benefit...everyone I spoke with at Ray spoke English
properly,
with a solid Yankee accent!

I'd tell you what's paying for that great service, but it would turn
this
into a political discussion. It's enough to say that it's your tax
dollars,
and that you should buy as much RTN stock as you can afford, along
with
some
HRS.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Aren't you the one who went all tin foil hat about some kids website a
couple of months back?

No. You must be imagining that.

Right now, explain how you came to that conclusion based on what I said.
Do
it carefully. Remember that you are disabled.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No Joe, it was you. You freaked out and told us we were all
downloading some malware by clicking on the kids site. The kid post
the site every few months, been doing it for years... smerk...

OK. You're right.

Now, explain your tin foil hat bull****, and how it made sense as a response
to my stock suggestions.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think you see conspiracy where it is not, and I think your personal
politics leads your imagination.

Sort of like 90%+ of scientists that are lying about global warming?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, only about 50%, the other 50% see it the other way. But as with
the 90% figure, we know that "your side" is willing to lie...

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wrote in message
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On Dec 3, 2:15 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
You want investment advice?

Not from the handyman.



Better than from a pothead.

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On Dec 3, 1:31 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Dec 3, 2:15 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
You want investment advice?

Not from the handyman.

Better than from a pothead.

True, I'd have to agree with that. Why, are you a pothead, too?

Good Service from Raymarine
 

wrote in message
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On Dec 3, 1:31 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Dec 3, 2:15 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
You want investment advice?

Not from the handyman.

Better than from a pothead.

True, I'd have to agree with that. Why, are you a pothead, too?


Bill probably thinks pot is a gateway drug, orders of magnitude more
dangerous than booze.

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On Dec 3, 1:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Dec 3, 1:31 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Dec 3, 2:15 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
You want investment advice?

Not from the handyman.

Better than from a pothead.

True, I'd have to agree with that. Why, are you a pothead, too?

Bill probably thinks pot is a gateway drug, orders of magnitude more
dangerous than booze.

He and Dan aren't bright enough to not accuse someone of something
illegal without any proof.

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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:35:43 -0500, HK wrote:

I am sure your experiences
with Furuno fishfinders on the flying bridge of your RV are relevant.

We have the Furuno Navnet integrated system which includes a fish
finder/depth sounder, radar and GPS plotter - separate transducer
modules for each, networked into a common display unit. I installed
it myself 3 years and 11,000+ nautical miles ago, and it has never
skipped a beat. Mrs B is not exactly the world's biggest marine
electronics enthusiast but she has nothing but good things to say
about this system.

Have you ever seen a professional crab boat on the Chesapeake that did
not have a Furuno radar? I don't think I have, and that should tell
you something.