On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 29, 6:00 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:39 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:33 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Damn - I never knew that.

Yes you did

And I'll tell y'all another thing......
If you need your bait to go to the bottom, they have these things
called weights that you can use that will do that for you, they are
smaller than a comparable size rock. Now you know my secret............

Wow - that's really informative.

Do you also use a rod with a reel or just a cane pole? :)

Both will work! It's an amazing thing. The weight actually makes the
lure/bait sink......
I've seen it with my own eyes!

Well, then I guess it's true.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 29, 6:00 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:39 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:33 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Damn - I never knew that.

Yes you did

And I'll tell y'all another thing......
If you need your bait to go to the bottom, they have these things
called weights that you can use that will do that for you, they are
smaller than a comparable size rock. Now you know my secret............

Wow - that's really informative.

Do you also use a rod with a reel or just a cane pole? :)

Both will work! It's an amazing thing. The weight actually makes the
lure/bait sink......
I've seen it with my own eyes!

Well, then I guess it's true.

Stones worked great years ago, and probably work well now. As well as
sparkplugs. We used to use sparkplugs casting into the rocky area of the
Pacific shoreline as they were cheap and you put them on a dropper and saved
the rest of rig when you snagged. As to the rocks, a few years ago when we
were traveling in Italy, we went to the fishing museum on Lake Trasimeno.
They had bronze hooks from the Romans as well as weights that were a worked
circle of rocks that were recovered from the lake bottom, We a really
interesting museum. Lake was a large shallow body of water, that looked
nasty. Talked to a couple of guys that had been bass fishing, and loading
an about 16' Tracker bass boat. Cost them about 2x what they cost here. I
think the website for the museum is http://www.museodellapesca.ch/ .

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 29, 6:00 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:39 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:33 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Damn - I never knew that.

Yes you did

And I'll tell y'all another thing......
If you need your bait to go to the bottom, they have these things
called weights that you can use that will do that for you, they are
smaller than a comparable size rock. Now you know my
secret............

Wow - that's really informative.

Do you also use a rod with a reel or just a cane pole? :)

Both will work! It's an amazing thing. The weight actually makes the
lure/bait sink......
I've seen it with my own eyes!

Well, then I guess it's true.

Stones worked great years ago, and probably work well now. As well as
sparkplugs. We used to use sparkplugs casting into the rocky area of the
Pacific shoreline as they were cheap and you put them on a dropper and
saved the rest of rig when you snagged. As to the rocks, a few years ago
when we were traveling in Italy, we went to the fishing museum on Lake
Trasimeno. They had bronze hooks from the Romans as well as weights that
were a worked circle of rocks that were recovered from the lake bottom,
We a really interesting museum. Lake was a large shallow body of water,
that looked nasty. Talked to a couple of guys that had been bass fishing,
and loading an about 16' Tracker bass boat. Cost them about 2x what they
cost here. I think the website for the museum is
http://www.museodellapesca.ch/ .


Wrong museo. Probably http://www.museodellapesca.it/

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:59:41 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



Stones worked great years ago, and probably work well now. As well as
sparkplugs. We used to use sparkplugs casting into the rocky area of the
Pacific shoreline as they were cheap and you put them on a dropper and
saved the rest of rig when you snagged. As to the rocks, a few years ago
when we were traveling in Italy, we went to the fishing museum on Lake
Trasimeno. They had bronze hooks from the Romans as well as weights that
were a worked circle of rocks that were recovered from the lake bottom,
We a really interesting museum. Lake was a large shallow body of water,
that looked nasty. Talked to a couple of guys that had been bass fishing,
and loading an about 16' Tracker bass boat. Cost them about 2x what they
cost here. I think the website for the museum is
http://www.museodellapesca.ch/ .


Wrong museo. Probably http://www.museodellapesca.it/


Some years ago when I read a lot about fishing, and had and used an
ultra-light rig for a while, I read about European ultra-light
fishing.
They actually hook and line fish for what we in the U.S. would
consider very small minnows.
Tiny hooks made by watchmakers, and line from spider webs. The "rod"
is the pinky finger, the only thing sensitive enough to feel a "hit"
without getting obscene.
They just rub the hook against material that had contained something
smelly to "bait" it. Fascinating, and quite surprising.

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:59:41 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



Stones worked great years ago, and probably work well now. As well as
sparkplugs. We used to use sparkplugs casting into the rocky area of
the
Pacific shoreline as they were cheap and you put them on a dropper and
saved the rest of rig when you snagged. As to the rocks, a few years
ago
when we were traveling in Italy, we went to the fishing museum on Lake
Trasimeno. They had bronze hooks from the Romans as well as weights that
were a worked circle of rocks that were recovered from the lake bottom,
We a really interesting museum. Lake was a large shallow body of water,
that looked nasty. Talked to a couple of guys that had been bass
fishing,
and loading an about 16' Tracker bass boat. Cost them about 2x what
they
cost here. I think the website for the museum is
http://www.museodellapesca.ch/ .


Wrong museo. Probably http://www.museodellapesca.it/


Some years ago when I read a lot about fishing, and had and used an
ultra-light rig for a while, I read about European ultra-light
fishing.
They actually hook and line fish for what we in the U.S. would
consider very small minnows.
Tiny hooks made by watchmakers, and line from spider webs. The "rod"
is the pinky finger, the only thing sensitive enough to feel a "hit"
without getting obscene.
They just rub the hook against material that had contained something
smelly to "bait" it. Fascinating, and quite surprising.

--Vic

They used some large hooks. Those bronze hooks 2000 years old, looked very
good shape and looked like a modern hook in design. They still use
fishtraps of the same design. More modern materials, but same design to
commercially fish.

On Nov 30, 2:55 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:sgg0l355ke1v41c5pt8sdooaav5ikc07vo@4ax .com...





On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 29, 6:00 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:39 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:33 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Damn - I never knew that.

Yes you did

And I'll tell y'all another thing......
If you need your bait to go to the bottom, they have these things
called weights that you can use that will do that for you, they are
smaller than a comparable size rock. Now you know my secret............

Wow - that's really informative.

Do you also use a rod with a reel or just a cane pole? :)

Both will work! It's an amazing thing. The weight actually makes the
lure/bait sink......
I've seen it with my own eyes!

Well, then I guess it's true.

Stones worked great years ago, and probably work well now. As well as
sparkplugs. We used to use sparkplugs casting into the rocky area of the
Pacific shoreline as they were cheap and you put them on a dropper and saved
the rest of rig when you snagged. As to the rocks, a few years ago when we
were traveling in Italy, we went to the fishing museum on Lake Trasimeno.
They had bronze hooks from the Romans as well as weights that were a worked
circle of rocks that were recovered from the lake bottom, We a really
interesting museum. Lake was a large shallow body of water, that looked
nasty. Talked to a couple of guys that had been bass fishing, and loading
an about 16' Tracker bass boat. Cost them about 2x what they cost here. I
think the website for the museum ishttp://www.museodellapesca.ch/ .- Hide quoted text -

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Let's have a little contest then, Bill. You use stones and sparkplugs
for weight, I'll use what I want and we'll go bass fishing and see who
has the best results........

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On Nov 30, 2:55 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 29, 6:00 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:58 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:39 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:33 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Damn - I never knew that.

Yes you did

And I'll tell y'all another thing......
If you need your bait to go to the bottom, they have these things
called weights that you can use that will do that for you, they are
smaller than a comparable size rock. Now you know my
secret............

Wow - that's really informative.

Do you also use a rod with a reel or just a cane pole? :)

Both will work! It's an amazing thing. The weight actually makes the
lure/bait sink......
I've seen it with my own eyes!

Well, then I guess it's true.

Stones worked great years ago, and probably work well now. As well as
sparkplugs. We used to use sparkplugs casting into the rocky area of the
Pacific shoreline as they were cheap and you put them on a dropper and
saved
the rest of rig when you snagged. As to the rocks, a few years ago when
we
were traveling in Italy, we went to the fishing museum on Lake Trasimeno.
They had bronze hooks from the Romans as well as weights that were a
worked
circle of rocks that were recovered from the lake bottom, We a really
interesting museum. Lake was a large shallow body of water, that looked
nasty. Talked to a couple of guys that had been bass fishing, and
loading
an about 16' Tracker bass boat. Cost them about 2x what they cost here.
I
think the website for the museum ishttp://www.museodellapesca.ch/ .- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Let's have a little contest then, Bill. You use stones and sparkplugs
for weight, I'll use what I want and we'll go bass fishing and see who
has the best results........

Not all of us just fish for bass. You surf fish the rocks of the ocean and
you may not be able to fund your IRA after buying all those expensive
weights. Lots of my bass fishing, is with weightless Senkos and if I add
weight I use a small nail. Still pretty cheap for the weight. Wish I could
say the same for the Senko.

On Nov 30, 4:28 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
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On Nov 30, 2:55 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 29, 6:00 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:58 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:39 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:33 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Damn - I never knew that.

Yes you did

And I'll tell y'all another thing......
If you need your bait to go to the bottom, they have these things
called weights that you can use that will do that for you, they are
smaller than a comparable size rock. Now you know my
secret............

Wow - that's really informative.

Do you also use a rod with a reel or just a cane pole? :)

Both will work! It's an amazing thing. The weight actually makes the
lure/bait sink......
I've seen it with my own eyes!

Well, then I guess it's true.

Stones worked great years ago, and probably work well now. As well as
sparkplugs. We used to use sparkplugs casting into the rocky area of the
Pacific shoreline as they were cheap and you put them on a dropper and
saved
the rest of rig when you snagged. As to the rocks, a few years ago when
we
were traveling in Italy, we went to the fishing museum on Lake Trasimeno.
They had bronze hooks from the Romans as well as weights that were a
worked
circle of rocks that were recovered from the lake bottom, We a really
interesting museum. Lake was a large shallow body of water, that looked
nasty. Talked to a couple of guys that had been bass fishing, and
loading
an about 16' Tracker bass boat. Cost them about 2x what they cost here.
I
think the website for the museum ishttp://www.museodellapesca.ch/.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Let's have a little contest then, Bill. You use stones and sparkplugs
for weight, I'll use what I want and we'll go bass fishing and see who
has the best results........

Not all of us just fish for bass. You surf fish the rocks of the ocean and
you may not be able to fund your IRA after buying all those expensive
weights. Lots of my bass fishing, is with weightless Senkos and if I add
weight I use a small nail. Still pretty cheap for the weight. Wish I could
say the same for the Senko.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bass Pro Shops has a clone of Senko that I like even better. Not that
I use them all of the time, but.....
Again, if you want to go surf fishing with sparkplugs, have at it!

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:47:41 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 30, 4:28 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
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Not all of us just fish for bass. You surf fish the rocks of the ocean and
you may not be able to fund your IRA after buying all those expensive
weights. Lots of my bass fishing, is with weightless Senkos and if I add
weight I use a small nail. Still pretty cheap for the weight. Wish I could
say the same for the Senko.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bass Pro Shops has a clone of Senko that I like even better. Not that
I use them all of the time, but.....
Again, if you want to go surf fishing with sparkplugs, have at it!

Not bass, but when I was at St Pete Beach a couple months ago there
was German kid, about 8 years old, who hooked a maybe 4 foot tarpon at
the beach.
He had one of those dimestore Zebco rigs, and my wife and
his family walked about 200 yards down the beach trying to land it.
His dad looked exactly like Adolph Hitler, but no mustache.
The fish never ran out, but down the beach in a couple feet of water,
very light surf. I kept my mouth shut, as the kid was doing a good
job on the drag with Adolph's instructions. The fish finally lost the
hook, but the kid - and me - had a good experience to remember.
Luckily there were few swimmers, and they were deeper than where
the fish was running.
I think the kid said he was using a spark plug as weight, but my
German isn't too good.

--Vic

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:40:41 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:47:41 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 30, 4:28 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message


Not all of us just fish for bass. You surf fish the rocks of the ocean and
you may not be able to fund your IRA after buying all those expensive
weights. Lots of my bass fishing, is with weightless Senkos and if I add
weight I use a small nail. Still pretty cheap for the weight. Wish I could
say the same for the Senko.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bass Pro Shops has a clone of Senko that I like even better. Not that
I use them all of the time, but.....
Again, if you want to go surf fishing with sparkplugs, have at it!

Not bass, but when I was at St Pete Beach a couple months ago there
was German kid, about 8 years old, who hooked a maybe 4 foot tarpon at
the beach.
He had one of those dimestore Zebco rigs, and my wife and
his family walked about 200 yards down the beach trying to land it.
His dad looked exactly like Adolph Hitler, but no mustache.
The fish never ran out, but down the beach in a couple feet of water,
very light surf. I kept my mouth shut, as the kid was doing a good
job on the drag with Adolph's instructions. The fish finally lost the
hook, but the kid - and me - had a good experience to remember.
Luckily there were few swimmers, and they were deeper than where
the fish was running.
I think the kid said he was using a spark plug as weight, but my
German isn't too good.

--Vic


If he was yelling, "Meine Zündkerze springt auf dem Boden!" then he was
saying, "My spark plug is bouncing off the bottom!" With a four-foot tarpon
trying to escape, it sounds like something the kid may have said.
--
John H