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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:22:58 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:58:41 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Almost everyone who denies science is on the right. Check it out. Count
'em up. It's not just this issue.

Tom's representative list of scientists are "denying" science?

It will be interesting so see what happens over the next 5-10 years. From
what I've read on the subject even the most ardent advocates of mankind
being responsible for a global warming trend agree that it can't be reversed
in that short of a time frame.

My hunch is that in about 5 years new data will cause the whole debate to go
away, only to be replaced by a growing concern of a coming mini Ice Age
cycle.

Remember all the dire predictions of Y2K?

Eisboch

I do not doubt that the climate is changing. I would even believe man
is responsible for some of the changes. The real question is if
changing the trend is as simple as cutting our discretionary CO2
emissions. If you look at the Scientiofic American article from last
year about the effect of agriculture on climate they peg the
beginnings of the warming trend 8,000 years ago when man first started
clearing land and planting crops.

That is only some of the evidence. There is strong evidence that this
cycle has happened in concert with solar cycles. Some science is
being done on the issue of cosmic rays - namely that during certain
periods of sun cycle activity (not the 11 year cycle, but the longer
term 50/100,000 year cycles) there isn't enough photon activity (solar
wind) effectively reducing the magnetic shield which keeps them out or
slows them down.

I suppose if we make the penalties against the western economies
strong enough (and crash them) the resulting nuclear war will reverse
the warming trend and cut way back on that pesky population growth.

That is really the issue - it's another attempt to redistribute income
only on an internationlist scale.

The disturbing thing about this whole thing is some people have
invented a tax, brokered by venture capital firms to trade "carbon
credits". That instantly takes a non existant commidity and makes it
money. Some people are going to get very rich on a scheme that may be
totally meaningless and the cult religion of environmentalism is
driving that market.

Who is leading the charge? Gore.

I said it a long time ago - carbon credits were going to be
commodities and traded as such.

Create a market - that's how you do it. It's classic.

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