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Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald Smithers III" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:41:41 -0500, HK wrote:

It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a
steamfitter than it does to become a college graduate.
Harry - give it up - please, you are making an ass of yourself.
4 years for a college grad. 5 years for a steamfitter.

Eh?
Do they get paid during those 5 years?


Of course. And the major qualification is the 5 years .... not competence.

Eisboch


Untrue. If they can't cut it, they are dropped.

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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Reginald Smithers III" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:41:41 -0500, HK wrote:

It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a
steamfitter than it does to become a college graduate.
Harry - give it up - please, you are making an ass of yourself.
4 years for a college grad. 5 years for a steamfitter.

Eh?
Do they get paid during those 5 years?

Of course.

Irrelevant.


And the major qualification is the 5 years .... not competence.

Eisboch


That may be the key. I wonder what the final certification qualifications
are Do you know?



There are competency exams all along the course of study, and a very
difficult final. Book exams and practical skills exams.

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"HK" wrote in message
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There are competency exams all along the course of study, and a very
difficult final. Book exams and practical skills exams.

Very true.

And the same is true of a non-union technical school.

The bottom line is that the test for certification or license in whatever
trade or level therein has nothing to do with being union or not.

The requirements for certification or license are the same.

Eisboch

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BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp


If I had a youngster today, I'd advise them to enter a union
apprenticeship program for either plumbing or electrical. No matter
where these society goes, it is going to want indoor plumbing and
electricity.

There's a chance the nuke plant near us might be expanded. If so, it
will mean several years of very high paying work for union plumbers
and electricians, among others. We're talking about $100,000+ a
year, family-supporting jobs for hardworking men and women who have
the skills to do the necessary critical work.


I had a plumber quote me $465 to change the trap under my mothers
sink. I think he is making more than they make at the nuke plant.
Of course, I didn't hire him, I did it myself.



Yeah, well, if you weren't such an a**hole, the plumber might have
charged $125.

I would still do it myself. 20 minutes work and about $10 in supplies.

The nuke plant plumbers are mostly steamfitters.
It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a
steamfitter than it does to become a college graduate.

You can learn to be a steamfitter in the military and you can learn to
operate a nuke plant in the military too.


I also replaced the drains, so it was $65 and 45 min. She lives a hour
from me, but it was still worth it.

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..

There are competency exams all along the course of study, and a very
difficult final. Book exams and practical skills exams.

Very true.

And the same is true of a non-union technical school.

The bottom line is that the test for certification or license in whatever
trade or level therein has nothing to do with being union or not.

The requirements for certification or license are the same.

Eisboch



Which explains why skilled union membership has declined.

Construction trades in cities have suddenly shifted from over 75%
unionized to under 25%. Only the commercial sector of construction has
retained 50% or greater union representation. The inability to prevent
non-union companies from taking significant market share has undercut
union membership. Meanwhile the forces of economic liberalization
(neoliberalism), capital mobility, and globalization have improved
tremendously the material standard of living enjoyed by workers in the
United States; and mass immigration from Mexico has continued to
restructure the domestic labor force.[2]

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JimH wrote:
"Reginald Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp

If I had a youngster today, I'd advise them to enter a union
apprenticeship program for either plumbing or electrical. No matter where
these society goes, it is going to want indoor plumbing and electricity.

There's a chance the nuke plant near us might be expanded. If so, it will
mean several years of very high paying work for union plumbers and
electricians, among others. We're talking about $100,000+ a year,
family-supporting jobs for hardworking men and women who have the skills
to do the necessary critical work.

I had a plumber quote me $465 to change the trap under my mothers sink. I
think he is making more than they make at the nuke plant. Of course, I
didn't hire him, I did it myself.


It takes 5 minutes to change a trap. Why did you even bother calling a
plumber?

BTW, no offense but I do not believe you received a $465 quote to change a
trap. No way.

I believe it.

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BAR wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Reginald Smithers III" wrote in message
...
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp

If I had a youngster today, I'd advise them to enter a union
apprenticeship program for either plumbing or electrical. No matter
where these society goes, it is going to want indoor plumbing and
electricity.

There's a chance the nuke plant near us might be expanded. If so, it
will mean several years of very high paying work for union plumbers
and electricians, among others. We're talking about $100,000+ a
year, family-supporting jobs for hardworking men and women who have
the skills to do the necessary critical work.

I had a plumber quote me $465 to change the trap under my mothers
sink. I think he is making more than they make at the nuke plant. Of
course, I didn't hire him, I did it myself.


It takes 5 minutes to change a trap. Why did you even bother calling
a plumber?

BTW, no offense but I do not believe you received a $465 quote to
change a trap. No way.

I believe it.

It is Jim's MO to call people a liar. He has called Eisboch, SWS a lair
when they made simple statements. It doesn't surprise me what he would
call me one.

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Don White wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:28:01 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

What the $%$%! Our new high school in the center of the city cost
between
$20-30 million and everybody's crying about that.
How many students?


1400

That's a middle school in my county.

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Don White wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:49:13 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp
I cannot wait to find out what we celebrate tomorrow! ;-)
Armageddon.


Anybody watch that half hour cable program on the prophecies for year 2012.
Better enjoy your boating now...... things could get nasty in 5 years.

You must have missed the show in the late '90's where 2000 was when the
world was going to explode, implode or otherwise be devoid of humans.

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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:48:46 -0500, BAR wrote:

HK wrote:
Reginald Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp


If I had a youngster today, I'd advise them to enter a union
apprenticeship program for either plumbing or electrical. No matter
where these society goes, it is going to want indoor plumbing and
electricity.

There's a chance the nuke plant near us might be expanded. If so, it
will mean several years of very high paying work for union plumbers
and electricians, among others. We're talking about $100,000+ a year,
family-supporting jobs for hardworking men and women who have the
skills to do the necessary critical work.


I had a plumber quote me $465 to change the trap under my mothers
sink. I think he is making more than they make at the nuke plant. Of
course, I didn't hire him, I did it myself.



Yeah, well, if you weren't such an a**hole, the plumber might have
charged $125.

I would still do it myself. 20 minutes work and about $10 in supplies.

The nuke plant plumbers are mostly steamfitters.
It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a
steamfitter than it does to become a college graduate.

You can learn to be a steamfitter in the military and you can learn to
operate a nuke plant in the military too.

And it doesn't take no 8000 hours!