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What is the difference between 720 and 1080 - resolution? Which is better - LCD or plasma? |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Not exactly a boating topic, but... What is the difference between 720 and 1080 - resolution? Which is better - LCD or plasma? 360 lines....... or 30% higher resolution Plasma. Don't believe anything anyone else tells you about Plasma vs LCD. |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 07, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
What is the difference between 720 and 1080 - resolution? On smaller screens (27") it's hardly noticeable. On larger screens it matters....... unless you watch from 50' away ;-) Which is better - LCD or plasma? Beats me. I just bought a 27" SDTV, tube type, for $250 at Sam's. Didn't buy it for the quality picture, I bought it for the digital programming that you can't pick up on an analog TV. This after checkin' out a 40" split screen HDTV/SDTV for a few minutes and seeing a little difference but not much. Granted, a big screen HDTV can impress your friends, especially for a Super Bowl party or something like that. But if you're not a TV connoisseur and just want to watch a very good picture without the "wow" factor and the bigness of it all, then a Standard Digital TV is pretty damn nice for the money. And a tube type TV will last a lot longer than either of the flat screen types, or so I'm told. Anyhow, I've been pretty happy with mine. Rick |
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PhantMan wrote:
a tube type TV will last a lot longer than either of the flat screen types, or so I'm told. Anyhow, I've been pretty happy with mine. Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: SWS, Don't listen to this man, he doesn't know what he is talking about. You're right. I have a flat screen. I meant to say, a tube type will last longer than either an LCD or Plasma (can't remember what they're called..... skinny screens?). Rick |
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Plasma's about at the end. Most are lcd. "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Not exactly a boating topic, but... What is the difference between 720 and 1080 - resolution? Which is better - LCD or plasma? |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:01:04 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Not exactly a boating topic, but... What is the difference between 720 and 1080 - resolution? Which is better - LCD or plasma? 360 lines....... or 30% higher resolution Plasma. Don't believe anything anyone else tells you about Plasma vs LCD. I'm buying one for my office - the old beast 32 inch Sony Triniton finally gave up the ghost. The HDTV in the living room was purchased by the kids - I think it's an LCD, but I don't know for sure - I know, stupid of me, but that's the wife's TV. I don't watch a lot of TV other than Dirty Jobs, Mythbusters, National Geographic Channel occasionally plus sports when I'm interested - other than that, it just sits there. So I'm replacing the old Sony and getting 37 inch HDTV, but after reading up on it, I'm just more confused. I get the resolution thing, but what the hell is "natural" when describing resolution? I've heard that plasma is generally a better TV than LCD. |
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but what the hell is "natural" when describing resolution?
I think you mean "native." It means that the TV will show you the program in whatever resolution it was broadcast. If it's SD, you'll have black bars on either side... it's better than stretching the image which distorts things. As far as 1080 or 720, if its a smaller set (ie 37"), save your money and get the 720. those numbers are vertical lines, and you won't be able to tell the difference. It's like taking a photo at 10 megapixels resolution, and printing a 4 x 6 of it. --Mike "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:01:04 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Not exactly a boating topic, but... What is the difference between 720 and 1080 - resolution? Which is better - LCD or plasma? 360 lines....... or 30% higher resolution Plasma. Don't believe anything anyone else tells you about Plasma vs LCD. I'm buying one for my office - the old beast 32 inch Sony Triniton finally gave up the ghost. The HDTV in the living room was purchased by the kids - I think it's an LCD, but I don't know for sure - I know, stupid of me, but that's the wife's TV. I don't watch a lot of TV other than Dirty Jobs, Mythbusters, National Geographic Channel occasionally plus sports when I'm interested - other than that, it just sits there. So I'm replacing the old Sony and getting 37 inch HDTV, but after reading up on it, I'm just more confused. I get the resolution thing, but what the hell is "natural" when describing resolution? I've heard that plasma is generally a better TV than LCD. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Not exactly a boating topic, but... What is the difference between 720 and 1080 - resolution? 1080p Which is better - LCD or plasma? My wife wouldn't let me get a plasma. LCD for general TV. Plasma for sports. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:01:04 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Not exactly a boating topic, but... What is the difference between 720 and 1080 - resolution? Which is better - LCD or plasma? 360 lines....... or 30% higher resolution Plasma. Don't believe anything anyone else tells you about Plasma vs LCD. I'm buying one for my office - the old beast 32 inch Sony Triniton finally gave up the ghost. The HDTV in the living room was purchased by the kids - I think it's an LCD, but I don't know for sure - I know, stupid of me, but that's the wife's TV. I don't watch a lot of TV other than Dirty Jobs, Mythbusters, National Geographic Channel occasionally plus sports when I'm interested - other than that, it just sits there. So I'm replacing the old Sony and getting 37 inch HDTV, but after reading up on it, I'm just more confused. I get the resolution thing, but what the hell is "natural" when describing resolution? I've heard that plasma is generally a better TV than LCD. Plasma uses about 4x the energy of standard TV. |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:34:43 GMT, "Mike" wrote:
I think you mean "native." It means that the TV will show you the program in whatever resolution it was broadcast. If it's SD, you'll have black bars on either side... it's better than stretching the image which distorts things. As far as 1080 or 720, if its a smaller set (ie 37"), save your money and get the 720. those numbers are vertical lines, and you won't be able to tell the difference. It's like taking a photo at 10 megapixels resolution, and printing a 4 x 6 of it. Thanks. Short, sweet and precise. Mucus Grassy Ass. |
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On Nov 12, 10:16 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:01:04 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Not exactly a boating topic, but... What is the difference between 720 and 1080 - resolution? Which is better - LCD or plasma? 360 lines....... or 30% higher resolution Plasma. Don't believe anything anyone else tells you about Plasma vs LCD. I'm buying one for my office - the old beast 32 inch Sony Triniton finally gave up the ghost. The HDTV in the living room was purchased by the kids - I think it's an LCD, but I don't know for sure - I know, stupid of me, but that's the wife's TV. I don't watch a lot of TV other than Dirty Jobs, Mythbusters, National Geographic Channel occasionally plus sports when I'm interested - other than that, it just sits there. So I'm replacing the old Sony and getting 37 inch HDTV, but after reading up on it, I'm just more confused. I get the resolution thing, but what the hell is "natural" when describing resolution? I've heard that plasma is generally a better TV than LCD. One thing people forget, resolution is only as good as the signal. Lots of times the cable signal suffers over distance, and also the cabling in your home, connections, etc. |
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wrote in message oups.com... One thing people forget, resolution is only as good as the signal. Lots of times the cable signal suffers over distance, and also the cabling in your home, connections, etc. Only if it's an analog signal. If it's digital, you either get it perfect or you don't get it at all. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... One thing people forget, resolution is only as good as the signal. Lots of times the cable signal suffers over distance, and also the cabling in your home, connections, etc. Only if it's an analog signal. If it's digital, you either get it perfect or you don't get it at all. Eisboch My cable company sends "digital" signals through its wires, and what you get on your TV set depends upon the box you have to decode them. I think I saw a commercial that stated that when the switchover comes, it won't matter what sort of TV set you have, because the cable company's equipment will decode it into whatever your receiver needs. Or something like that! |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: wrote in message oups.com... One thing people forget, resolution is only as good as the signal. Lots of times the cable signal suffers over distance, and also the cabling in your home, connections, etc. Only if it's an analog signal. If it's digital, you either get it perfect or you don't get it at all. Eisboch My cable company sends "digital" signals through its wires, and what you get on your TV set depends upon the box you have to decode them. I think I saw a commercial that stated that when the switchover comes, it won't matter what sort of TV set you have, because the cable company's equipment will decode it into whatever your receiver needs. Or something like that! I have a couple of new LCD televisions that I bought for the boats. When connected to cable, they get both the analog and HD digital signals for stations broadcasting both. I was surprised that they also received the music channels provided by the cable company. It's going to be an entertainment paradise for those that watch a lot of television. Eisboch |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:29:59 -0500, HK wrote:
My cable company sends "digital" signals through its wires, and what you get on your TV set depends upon the box you have to decode them. I think I saw a commercial that stated that when the switchover comes, it won't matter what sort of TV set you have, because the cable company's equipment will decode it into whatever your receiver needs. Or something like that! And then there's the "big switch": http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12..._drm_analysis/ Personally, using Linux, I don't much care about Vista or it's DRM. However, those signed drivers could be a worry for me. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: wrote in message oups.com... One thing people forget, resolution is only as good as the signal. Lots of times the cable signal suffers over distance, and also the cabling in your home, connections, etc. Only if it's an analog signal. If it's digital, you either get it perfect or you don't get it at all. Eisboch My cable company sends "digital" signals through its wires, and what you get on your TV set depends upon the box you have to decode them. I think I saw a commercial that stated that when the switchover comes, it won't matter what sort of TV set you have, because the cable company's equipment will decode it into whatever your receiver needs. Or something like that! I have a couple of new LCD televisions that I bought for the boats. When connected to cable, they get both the analog and HD digital signals for stations broadcasting both. I was surprised that they also received the music channels provided by the cable company. It's going to be an entertainment paradise for those that watch a lot of television. Eisboch We have two "digital" boxes, three TV sets. The two "digital" boxes are connected to TVs that handle HD and the music channels, too. One of the sets is an LCD, the other is a big glass tube SONY. I have yet to see the equal of the glass tube SONY's picture quality in any of the new flat screen TVs. Damn thing weighs about 225 pounds, though. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: wrote in message oups.com... One thing people forget, resolution is only as good as the signal. Lots of times the cable signal suffers over distance, and also the cabling in your home, connections, etc. Only if it's an analog signal. If it's digital, you either get it perfect or you don't get it at all. Eisboch My cable company sends "digital" signals through its wires, and what you get on your TV set depends upon the box you have to decode them. I think I saw a commercial that stated that when the switchover comes, it won't matter what sort of TV set you have, because the cable company's equipment will decode it into whatever your receiver needs. Or something like that! I have a couple of new LCD televisions that I bought for the boats. When connected to cable, they get both the analog and HD digital signals for stations broadcasting both. I was surprised that they also received the music channels provided by the cable company. It's going to be an entertainment paradise for those that watch a lot of television. Eisboch We have two "digital" boxes, three TV sets. The two "digital" boxes are connected to TVs that handle HD and the music channels, too. One of the sets is an LCD, the other is a big glass tube SONY. I have yet to see the equal of the glass tube SONY's picture quality in any of the new flat screen TVs. Damn thing weighs about 225 pounds, though. Same here... can it be almost 2 years since I bought my Sony 30" HDTV tube type? The TV has been flawless... wish I could say the same thing for the cable company supplied Motorola DVR cable box. (rental at $15.00 per month) |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:50:30 -0500, HK wrote:
I don't play movies through my computer so I can watch them on my computer screen, so the DRM problem mentioned in the article you referenced is not an issue for me. I do process sound files through various software programs running under Windows, typically so I can load them onto my iPOD. I haven't had the first "DRM" related problem. There is considerable FUD relating to this issue, and I haven't been following it closely, but I believe the DRM hasn't been turned on as yet. As I understand it, when the protected content becomes available, it is the content that will ask Vista to activate the DRM. If it's not protected content, you shouldn't have any problems, in theory. |
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: wrote in message oups.com... One thing people forget, resolution is only as good as the signal. Lots of times the cable signal suffers over distance, and also the cabling in your home, connections, etc. Only if it's an analog signal. If it's digital, you either get it perfect or you don't get it at all. Eisboch My cable company sends "digital" signals through its wires, and what you get on your TV set depends upon the box you have to decode them. I think I saw a commercial that stated that when the switchover comes, it won't matter what sort of TV set you have, because the cable company's equipment will decode it into whatever your receiver needs. Or something like that! I have a couple of new LCD televisions that I bought for the boats. When connected to cable, they get both the analog and HD digital signals for stations broadcasting both. I was surprised that they also received the music channels provided by the cable company. It's going to be an entertainment paradise for those that watch a lot of television. Eisboch We have two "digital" boxes, three TV sets. The two "digital" boxes are connected to TVs that handle HD and the music channels, too. One of the sets is an LCD, the other is a big glass tube SONY. I have yet to see the equal of the glass tube SONY's picture quality in any of the new flat screen TVs. Damn thing weighs about 225 pounds, though. Same here... can it be almost 2 years since I bought my Sony 30" HDTV tube type? The TV has been flawless... wish I could say the same thing for the cable company supplied Motorola DVR cable box. (rental at $15.00 per month) Wow. We pay under $5 for a DVR digital box. |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:05:53 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Which is better - LCD or plasma? The reviews that I have read indicate that the very best LCD sets are almost as good as plasma. Based on that, plasma is obviously better but uses a lot more power and is heavier. 1080 is the wave of the future although there is very little source material presently at that resolution. 720 looks pretty darn good compared to regular TV. http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-a...tag=prod.txt.1 |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Wow. We pay under $5 for a DVR digital box. Is that for the primary box or for a second, additional box? Eisboch |
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On Nov 13, 9:22 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... One thing people forget, resolution is only as good as the signal. Lots of times the cable signal suffers over distance, and also the cabling in your home, connections, etc. Only if it's an analog signal. If it's digital, you either get it perfect or you don't get it at all. Eisboch Digital signal can degrade, and still work. You'll get tiling, etc. sometimes , along with quantization noise, and incorrect color. |
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wrote in message ups.com... On Nov 13, 9:22 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... One thing people forget, resolution is only as good as the signal. Lots of times the cable signal suffers over distance, and also the cabling in your home, connections, etc. Only if it's an analog signal. If it's digital, you either get it perfect or you don't get it at all. Eisboch Digital signal can degrade, and still work. You'll get tiling, etc. sometimes , along with quantization noise, and incorrect color. Agreed, but not by much before your digital tuner in the TV or cable box will reject the signal. If you are getting a picture and it occasionally goes screwy, it's unlikely the problem is in your cable feed. Eisboch |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:21:48 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... On Nov 13, 9:22 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... One thing people forget, resolution is only as good as the signal. Lots of times the cable signal suffers over distance, and also the cabling in your home, connections, etc. Only if it's an analog signal. If it's digital, you either get it perfect or you don't get it at all. Eisboch Digital signal can degrade, and still work. You'll get tiling, etc. sometimes , along with quantization noise, and incorrect color. Agreed, but not by much before your digital tuner in the TV or cable box will reject the signal. If you are getting a picture and it occasionally goes screwy, it's unlikely the problem is in your cable feed. Comcast sends garbled data often enough. Picture freezes, no sound for 5-10 seconds. It doesn't catch up, so you lose it. Correction algorithms would cut into commercial time. --Vic |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Wow. We pay under $5 for a DVR digital box. Is that for the primary box or for a second, additional box? Eisboch Any box. |
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LoogyPic wrote in message
One thing people forget, resolution is only as good as the signal. Lots of times the cable signal suffers over distance, and also the cabling in your home, connections, etc. On Nov 13, 9:22 am, "Eisboch" wrote: Only if it's an analog signal. If it's digital, you either get it perfect or you don't get it at all. On Tue, 13 Nov 07, LoogyPicker wrote: Digital signal can degrade, and still work. You'll get tiling, etc. sometimes , along with quantization noise, and incorrect color. Not mine. I finally got rid of my cable and just put up an antenna. The worst digital reception ever does is jerk around a bit right before it goes completely blank lol! But if I'm watching a program that's being simultaneously broadcast on an analog signal, I just switch to analog. And there's my program again but just not as picture perfect. Rick |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Wow. We pay under $5 for a DVR digital box. Is that for the primary box or for a second, additional box? Eisboch Any box. That's pretty cheap. Whadaya get, 3 or 4 channels? Another subject. I am going to stay with Windows XP until the computer industry comes out with this technology: http://www.livescience.com/php/video...light&plugin=f Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Wow. We pay under $5 for a DVR digital box. Is that for the primary box or for a second, additional box? Eisboch Any box. That's pretty cheap. Whadaya get, 3 or 4 channels? That's just the price for the box. Actually, I suppose the first box's price is embedded into the service, if you get anything more than the non-premium channels. |
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On Nov 13, 11:21 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... On Nov 13, 9:22 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... One thing people forget, resolution is only as good as the signal. Lots of times the cable signal suffers over distance, and also the cabling in your home, connections, etc. Only if it's an analog signal. If it's digital, you either get it perfect or you don't get it at all. Eisboch Digital signal can degrade, and still work. You'll get tiling, etc. sometimes , along with quantization noise, and incorrect color. Agreed, but not by much before your digital tuner in the TV or cable box will reject the signal. If you are getting a picture and it occasionally goes screwy, it's unlikely the problem is in your cable feed. Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My house's cable was builder grade stuff just like alot of things in a new home. When I went to digital I had problems with just what I was referring to above, and Comcast came out and changed just about every end fitting there was in my house. Much better now, but things happen, and I notice it more when everyone is home from work, and watching the news! |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: wrote in message oups.com... One thing people forget, resolution is only as good as the signal. Lots of times the cable signal suffers over distance, and also the cabling in your home, connections, etc. Only if it's an analog signal. If it's digital, you either get it perfect or you don't get it at all. Eisboch My cable company sends "digital" signals through its wires, and what you get on your TV set depends upon the box you have to decode them. I think I saw a commercial that stated that when the switchover comes, it won't matter what sort of TV set you have, because the cable company's equipment will decode it into whatever your receiver needs. Or something like that! I have a couple of new LCD televisions that I bought for the boats. When connected to cable, they get both the analog and HD digital signals for stations broadcasting both. I was surprised that they also received the music channels provided by the cable company. It's going to be an entertainment paradise for those that watch a lot of television. Eisboch We have two "digital" boxes, three TV sets. The two "digital" boxes are connected to TVs that handle HD and the music channels, too. One of the sets is an LCD, the other is a big glass tube SONY. I have yet to see the equal of the glass tube SONY's picture quality in any of the new flat screen TVs. Damn thing weighs about 225 pounds, though. Same here... can it be almost 2 years since I bought my Sony 30" HDTV tube type? The TV has been flawless... wish I could say the same thing for the cable company supplied Motorola DVR cable box. (rental at $15.00 per month) Wow. We pay under $5 for a DVR digital box. We tend to get screwed on a lot of prices here. A regular digital Motorola box is cheap...($5.00) It's the HD versions that cost... a non-recording version is $10.00 per month. http://www.eastlink.ca/cable/dvr/index.asp |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Not exactly a boating topic, but... What is the difference between 720 and 1080 - resolution? Which is better - LCD or plasma? As I understand it... the 1080i is true HD and the 720 is a poor man's version. And as usual you're wrong. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Not exactly a boating topic, but... What is the difference between 720 and 1080 - resolution? Which is better - LCD or plasma? What size TV are you looking for? Where will it be located? How far away will you be watching it from? |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:05:53 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Which is better - LCD or plasma? The reviews that I have read indicate that the very best LCD sets are almost as good as plasma. Based on that, plasma is obviously better but uses a lot more power and is heavier. 1080 is the wave of the future although there is very little source material presently at that resolution. 720 looks pretty darn good compared to regular TV. http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-a...tag=prod.txt.1 When I saw the 1080 on a 50 in set and compared it to 720, it was as drastic of a difference as analog vs 720. |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:58:58 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: When I saw the 1080 on a 50 in set and compared it to 720, it was as drastic of a difference as analog vs 720. Was it 1080 source material? My understanding, possibly incorrect, is that there is no broadcast or cable 1080 at this time, and very little on DVD. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:58:58 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: When I saw the 1080 on a 50 in set and compared it to 720, it was as drastic of a difference as analog vs 720. Was it 1080 source material? My understanding, possibly incorrect, is that there is no broadcast or cable 1080 at this time, and very little on DVD. There's plenty of 1080i (interlaced) on broadcast TV, there just isn't any 1080p (progressive) available (Other than video games, HD, and Blu-Ray DVD's) 1080p is awesome, 720p is excellent, and 1080i sucks- there are just too many motion related artifacts when watching 1080i high motion video. Try watching an HD football game on FOX, ABC, or ESPN (all 720p) as compared to NBC or CBS (1080i) and you'll see what I mean. The only advantage 1080i has over 720p is on static, or very slow moving images. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:58:58 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: When I saw the 1080 on a 50 in set and compared it to 720, it was as drastic of a difference as analog vs 720. Was it 1080 source material? My understanding, possibly incorrect, is that there is no broadcast or cable 1080 at this time, and very little on DVD. It was a HD DVD |
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