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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:44:15 GMT, "BillP"
wrote:

snippity-snip

My statement is logical, sorry if that doesn't fit your religion.

Lets make it easy for you- we'll take one at a time.


1- Atmospheric CO2 is not the only, not even the primary greenhouse gas.
Water Vapor is the major component (95%).

Is this a true or false statement ?


Oh My God! It's Bassy.
Mark E. Williams
PS...Ok I'll admit I'm the worst sock spotter on the internet but just
look and what he said and how he said it. :o)

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:24:21 -0600, Maynard G. Krebbs
wrote:

PS...Ok I'll admit I'm the worst sock spotter on the internet

Check your feet.

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"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Nov 12, 9:14 am, "BillP" wrote:
wrote in message

I notice your head is still firmly planted in the sand!
Do The Math
1- Atmospheric CO2 is not the only, not even the primary greenhouse gas.
Water Vapor is the major component (95%).
2- All atmospheric CO2 from all sources is less than (three hundredths)
.03
of the total of all greenhouse gases.
3- All man made atmospheric CO2 is less than (nine ten thousandths)
.0009 of
all greenhouse gases.
4- All US produced atmospheric CO2 is less than (three hundred twenty
four
millionths) .000324 of all greenhouse gases.
5- The Kyoto Protocol requires the US to reduce our atmospheric CO2
production by (four hundred eighty six ten millionths) .0000486 of all
greenhouse gases.
6- This US CO2 reduction is equivalent to reducing a full to the brim
standard US bathtub by 3/4 of a teaspoon. A ratio of 1 to 20,576.

A- It is mathematically unlikely that atmospheric CO2 is the cause of
global
warming.
B- It is mathematically improbable that MAN MADE atmospheric CO2 causes
global warming.
C- It is mathematically impossible that US PRODUCED atmospheric CO2 is a
cause of global warming.
D- It is mathematically 20,576 times MORE IMPOSSIBLE that reducing US
produced atmospheric CO2 will have ANY IMPACT at all on global warming.

Do you want to raise all US prices by 32%, raise unemployment by 300%,
and
give up US sovereignty to the United Nations in order to remove 3/4
teaspoon
of water from a full bathtub?

Cutting US CO2 production to the levels required by the Kyoto Protocols
results in NO STATISTICAL IMPACT on total atmospheric CO2 and NO
PRACTICAL
IMPACT on global warming.

CONCLUSION

There can be only 3 logical reasons why some people are man-made global
warming proponents.
They are either:

1- Ignorant: They don't know the truth.
2- Delusional: They know the truth but refuse to believe it.
3- Liars: They know the truth and believe it, but they promote the lie
for
personal benefit.

The world is warming but not because of man's activity.

Yeah, sure, a very few scientists, and only one's with an agenda, come
up with that drivel, while thousands upon thousands (and yes, some of
them have an agenda too) have good hard data to show otherwise. People
like you and Shortwave prefer to stick your heads in the sand and
ignore that data, and will only look at data that you THINK helps make
your point.


Take a stab at telling us why Mars is heating up at the same rate as
Earth. Tell us how the Martians have increased the level of greenhouse
gases in the Martian atmosphere.

You can't look at the Earth without looking at the surrounding planets.


Those Mars Rover SUV's. Was OK when there was just 1, but now a fleet of 2.

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Calif Bill wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Nov 12, 9:14 am, "BillP" wrote:
wrote in message

I notice your head is still firmly planted in the sand!
Do The Math
1- Atmospheric CO2 is not the only, not even the primary greenhouse gas.
Water Vapor is the major component (95%).
2- All atmospheric CO2 from all sources is less than (three hundredths)
.03
of the total of all greenhouse gases.
3- All man made atmospheric CO2 is less than (nine ten thousandths)
.0009 of
all greenhouse gases.
4- All US produced atmospheric CO2 is less than (three hundred twenty
four
millionths) .000324 of all greenhouse gases.
5- The Kyoto Protocol requires the US to reduce our atmospheric CO2
production by (four hundred eighty six ten millionths) .0000486 of all
greenhouse gases.
6- This US CO2 reduction is equivalent to reducing a full to the brim
standard US bathtub by 3/4 of a teaspoon. A ratio of 1 to 20,576.

A- It is mathematically unlikely that atmospheric CO2 is the cause of
global
warming.
B- It is mathematically improbable that MAN MADE atmospheric CO2 causes
global warming.
C- It is mathematically impossible that US PRODUCED atmospheric CO2 is a
cause of global warming.
D- It is mathematically 20,576 times MORE IMPOSSIBLE that reducing US
produced atmospheric CO2 will have ANY IMPACT at all on global warming.

Do you want to raise all US prices by 32%, raise unemployment by 300%,
and
give up US sovereignty to the United Nations in order to remove 3/4
teaspoon
of water from a full bathtub?

Cutting US CO2 production to the levels required by the Kyoto Protocols
results in NO STATISTICAL IMPACT on total atmospheric CO2 and NO
PRACTICAL
IMPACT on global warming.

CONCLUSION

There can be only 3 logical reasons why some people are man-made global
warming proponents.
They are either:

1- Ignorant: They don't know the truth.
2- Delusional: They know the truth but refuse to believe it.
3- Liars: They know the truth and believe it, but they promote the lie
for
personal benefit.

The world is warming but not because of man's activity.
Yeah, sure, a very few scientists, and only one's with an agenda, come
up with that drivel, while thousands upon thousands (and yes, some of
them have an agenda too) have good hard data to show otherwise. People
like you and Shortwave prefer to stick your heads in the sand and
ignore that data, and will only look at data that you THINK helps make
your point.

Take a stab at telling us why Mars is heating up at the same rate as
Earth. Tell us how the Martians have increased the level of greenhouse
gases in the Martian atmosphere.

You can't look at the Earth without looking at the surrounding planets.


Those Mars Rover SUV's. Was OK when there was just 1, but now a fleet of 2.

Don't they know about the Kyoto Protocol?

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:02:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Playboy models are probably the most studied bodies in this Solar
|System.

Shucks.... you beat me to it....

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On Nov 12, 2:14 pm, "BillP" wrote:
wrote in message

You do realize that water vapor has risen rapidly, don't you?

Do you have proof of this?

Yes.

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On Nov 12, 5:10 pm, BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 12, 9:14 am, "BillP" wrote:
wrote in message

I notice your head is still firmly planted in the sand!
Do The Math
1- Atmospheric CO2 is not the only, not even the primary greenhouse gas.
Water Vapor is the major component (95%).
2- All atmospheric CO2 from all sources is less than (three hundredths) .03
of the total of all greenhouse gases.
3- All man made atmospheric CO2 is less than (nine ten thousandths) .0009 of
all greenhouse gases.
4- All US produced atmospheric CO2 is less than (three hundred twenty four
millionths) .000324 of all greenhouse gases.
5- The Kyoto Protocol requires the US to reduce our atmospheric CO2
production by (four hundred eighty six ten millionths) .0000486 of all
greenhouse gases.
6- This US CO2 reduction is equivalent to reducing a full to the brim
standard US bathtub by 3/4 of a teaspoon. A ratio of 1 to 20,576.

A- It is mathematically unlikely that atmospheric CO2 is the cause of global
warming.
B- It is mathematically improbable that MAN MADE atmospheric CO2 causes
global warming.
C- It is mathematically impossible that US PRODUCED atmospheric CO2 is a
cause of global warming.
D- It is mathematically 20,576 times MORE IMPOSSIBLE that reducing US
produced atmospheric CO2 will have ANY IMPACT at all on global warming.

Do you want to raise all US prices by 32%, raise unemployment by 300%, and
give up US sovereignty to the United Nations in order to remove 3/4 teaspoon
of water from a full bathtub?

Cutting US CO2 production to the levels required by the Kyoto Protocols
results in NO STATISTICAL IMPACT on total atmospheric CO2 and NO PRACTICAL
IMPACT on global warming.

CONCLUSION

There can be only 3 logical reasons why some people are man-made global
warming proponents.
They are either:

1- Ignorant: They don't know the truth.
2- Delusional: They know the truth but refuse to believe it.
3- Liars: They know the truth and believe it, but they promote the lie for
personal benefit.

The world is warming but not because of man's activity.

Yeah, sure, a very few scientists, and only one's with an agenda, come
up with that drivel, while thousands upon thousands (and yes, some of
them have an agenda too) have good hard data to show otherwise. People
like you and Shortwave prefer to stick your heads in the sand and
ignore that data, and will only look at data that you THINK helps make
your point.

Take a stab at telling us why Mars is heating up at the same rate as
Earth.

It's not heating at the same rate as Earth.


Tell us how the Martians have increased the level of greenhouse
gases in the Martian atmosphere.

Apples and oranges. It's absurdly stupid to try and compare Mar's
environment to Earths.



You can't look at the Earth without looking at the surrounding planets.-

Horse****, and ignorance.

Here's a start:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=192




Recently, there have been some suggestions that "global warming" has
been observed on Mars (e.g. here). These are based on observations of
regional change around the South Polar Cap, but seem to have been
extended into a "global" change, and used by some to infer an external
common mechanism for global warming on Earth and Mars (e.g. here and
here). But this is incorrect reasoning and based on faulty
understanding of the data.



A couple of basic issues first : the Martian year is about 2 Earth
years (687 days). Currently it is late winter in Mars's northern
hemisphere, so late summer in the southern hemisphere. Martian
eccentricity is about 0.1 - over 5 times larger than Earth's, so the
insolation (INcoming SOLar radiATION) variation over the orbit is
substantial, and contributes significantly more to seasonality than on
the Earth, although Mars's obliquity (the angle of its spin axis to
the orbital plane) still dominates the seasons. The alignment of
obliquity and eccentricity due to precession is a much stronger effect
than for the Earth, leading to "great" summers and winters on time
scales of tens of thousands of years (the precessional period is
170,000 years). Since Mars has no oceans and a thin atmosphere, the
thermal inertia is low, and Martian climate is easily perturbed by
external influences, including solar variations. However, solar
irradiance is now well measured by satellite and has been declining
slightly over the last few years as it moves towards a solar minimum.

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:10:40 -0500, BAR penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

wrote:
| On Nov 12, 9:14 am, "BillP" wrote:
| wrote in message
|
| I notice your head is still firmly planted in the sand!
| Do The Math
| 1- Atmospheric CO2 is not the only, not even the primary greenhouse gas.
| Water Vapor is the major component (95%).
| 2- All atmospheric CO2 from all sources is less than (three hundredths) .03
| of the total of all greenhouse gases.
| 3- All man made atmospheric CO2 is less than (nine ten thousandths) .0009 of
| all greenhouse gases.
| 4- All US produced atmospheric CO2 is less than (three hundred twenty four
| millionths) .000324 of all greenhouse gases.
| 5- The Kyoto Protocol requires the US to reduce our atmospheric CO2
| production by (four hundred eighty six ten millionths) .0000486 of all
| greenhouse gases.
| 6- This US CO2 reduction is equivalent to reducing a full to the brim
| standard US bathtub by 3/4 of a teaspoon. A ratio of 1 to 20,576.
|
| A- It is mathematically unlikely that atmospheric CO2 is the cause of global
| warming.
| B- It is mathematically improbable that MAN MADE atmospheric CO2 causes
| global warming.
| C- It is mathematically impossible that US PRODUCED atmospheric CO2 is a
| cause of global warming.
| D- It is mathematically 20,576 times MORE IMPOSSIBLE that reducing US
| produced atmospheric CO2 will have ANY IMPACT at all on global warming.
|
| Do you want to raise all US prices by 32%, raise unemployment by 300%, and
| give up US sovereignty to the United Nations in order to remove 3/4 teaspoon
| of water from a full bathtub?
|
| Cutting US CO2 production to the levels required by the Kyoto Protocols
| results in NO STATISTICAL IMPACT on total atmospheric CO2 and NO PRACTICAL
| IMPACT on global warming.
|
| CONCLUSION
|
| There can be only 3 logical reasons why some people are man-made global
| warming proponents.
| They are either:
|
| 1- Ignorant: They don't know the truth.
| 2- Delusional: They know the truth but refuse to believe it.
| 3- Liars: They know the truth and believe it, but they promote the lie for
| personal benefit.
|
| The world is warming but not because of man's activity.
|
| Yeah, sure, a very few scientists, and only one's with an agenda, come
| up with that drivel, while thousands upon thousands (and yes, some of
| them have an agenda too) have good hard data to show otherwise. People
| like you and Shortwave prefer to stick your heads in the sand and
| ignore that data, and will only look at data that you THINK helps make
| your point.
|
|
|Take a stab at telling us why Mars is heating up at the same rate as
|Earth. Tell us how the Martians have increased the level of greenhouse
|gases in the Martian atmosphere.

Wrong.

"Global warming could be heating Mars four times faster than Earth due
to a mutually reinforcing interplay of wind-swept dust and changes in
reflected heat from the Sun, according to a study released Wednesday."
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...ow_article= 1

|You can't look at the Earth without looking at the surrounding planets.

Wrong.

"The paper is interesting but it hasn't got anything to do with the
question of human impact on global warming on Earth," Dr. Nicholls
said.

"It's not an excuse to argue that humans are not causing global
warming on Earth."
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21506814-2,00.html


".....variations in radiation from the surface of Mars are fueling
strong winds that stir up giant dust storms, trapping heat and raising
the planet's temperature. "
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...4/s1890339.htm

I guess it is the giant dust storms, here on Earth, that make our
weather even vaguely comparable to Mars. Or not.

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Gene Kearns wrote:

".....variations in radiation from the surface of Mars are fueling
strong winds that stir up giant dust storms, trapping heat and raising
the planet's temperature. "
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...4/s1890339.htm

I guess it is the giant dust storms, here on Earth, that make our
weather even vaguely comparable to Mars. Or not.


What is causing the variations in radiation?

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BAR wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:

".....variations in radiation from the surface of Mars are fueling
strong winds that stir up giant dust storms, trapping heat and raising
the planet's temperature. "
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...4/s1890339.htm

I guess it is the giant dust storms, here on Earth, that make our
weather even vaguely comparable to Mars. Or not.


What is causing the variations in radiation?


Not what, who. It's SW Tom. Someone, stupidly, gave him the Universal
Radiation Rheostat.