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Paul G. November 6th 07 04:14 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
I have a 12' fiberglass boat that is rated for "up to 14 hp". What's
a practical size outboard for this boat? Should I go for the max or
what? Thanks,
-Paul


JoeSpareBedroom November 6th 07 04:38 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
"Paul G." wrote in message
oups.com...
I have a 12' fiberglass boat that is rated for "up to 14 hp". What's
a practical size outboard for this boat? Should I go for the max or
what? Thanks,
-Paul


I've got a 14' aluminum yacht rated for 25 hp, but my motor's 15 hp. I can
hit 22 mph on flat water with two adults on board. The boat itself weighs
about 400 lbs. Check your boat's weight and that should give you a useful
guideline.

Also consider who will be in the boat much of the time. I often fish alone,
and my motor's a tiller model. So, I'm in the stern along with the battery.
That raises the bow (affecting visibility) under certain conditions and no
amount of motor angle adjustment helps. I usually put a couple of 50 lb
sandbags in the bow. Even so, this nixed the idea of upgrading to 25 hp a
few years back. That, and the fact that flat water almost never happens
around here.



Don White November 6th 07 08:08 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Paul G." wrote in message
oups.com...
I have a 12' fiberglass boat that is rated for "up to 14 hp". What's
a practical size outboard for this boat? Should I go for the max or
what? Thanks,
-Paul


I've got a 14' aluminum yacht rated for 25 hp, but my motor's 15 hp. I can
hit 22 mph on flat water with two adults on board. The boat itself weighs
about 400 lbs. Check your boat's weight and that should give you a useful
guideline.

Also consider who will be in the boat much of the time. I often fish
alone, and my motor's a tiller model. So, I'm in the stern along with the
battery. That raises the bow (affecting visibility) under certain
conditions and no amount of motor angle adjustment helps. I usually put a
couple of 50 lb sandbags in the bow. Even so, this nixed the idea of
upgrading to 25 hp a few years back. That, and the fact that flat water
almost never happens around here.


A while back here, people would buy a 9.9 hp outboards to avoid the need to
license their boat.
I have a 25 hp on a 14' 6" aluminum boat now and found the licensing
procedure to be free and relatively painless.



Short Wave Sportfishing November 6th 07 08:19 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:08:14 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

I have a 25 hp on a 14' 6" aluminum boat now and found the licensing
procedure to be free and relatively painless.


No kidding - do tell.

A nice looking boat I assume?

JoeSpareBedroom November 6th 07 08:45 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
"Don White" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Paul G." wrote in message
oups.com...
I have a 12' fiberglass boat that is rated for "up to 14 hp". What's
a practical size outboard for this boat? Should I go for the max or
what? Thanks,
-Paul


I've got a 14' aluminum yacht rated for 25 hp, but my motor's 15 hp. I
can hit 22 mph on flat water with two adults on board. The boat itself
weighs about 400 lbs. Check your boat's weight and that should give you a
useful guideline.

Also consider who will be in the boat much of the time. I often fish
alone, and my motor's a tiller model. So, I'm in the stern along with the
battery. That raises the bow (affecting visibility) under certain
conditions and no amount of motor angle adjustment helps. I usually put a
couple of 50 lb sandbags in the bow. Even so, this nixed the idea of
upgrading to 25 hp a few years back. That, and the fact that flat water
almost never happens around here.


A while back here, people would buy a 9.9 hp outboards to avoid the need
to license their boat.
I have a 25 hp on a 14' 6" aluminum boat now and found the licensing
procedure to be free and relatively painless.


I don't know if licensing is related to horsepower here, but there's one
lake where there's a 10 hp limit. My dealer has repeatedly offered to get me
a different decal for my motor, since (according to him), the only diff
between the 10 and the 15 hp motors is the carb.



Calif Bill November 6th 07 09:32 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:08:14 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

I have a 25 hp on a 14' 6" aluminum boat now and found the licensing
procedure to be free and relatively painless.


No kidding - do tell.

A nice looking boat I assume?


Not really, no glitter stripe. ;)



Don White November 6th 07 09:32 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:08:14 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

I have a 25 hp on a 14' 6" aluminum boat now and found the licensing
procedure to be free and relatively painless.


No kidding - do tell.

A nice looking boat I assume?


Absolutely gorgeous!
I finally drained the old gear oil and replaced it this afternoon.
I tried to use my Evinrude/Johnson grease gun on the 3 nipples but the
grease didn't seem to come out. I took the gun inside to fiddle with it and
think I just have to make sure the 'plunger' is in as far as possible before
pumping away. I'll try again.
The battery is out and in the shed. I may do a load test on it in the
spring to see if it can hold a charge for any length of time.
Looked into the six cells and the fluid level is topped up
(I'll top up with the trickle charger on a monthly basis over the off
season)
There was 3 or 4 inches of water in the plastic 'battery box'. I'll keep
an eye on that next season.
I'll have to pick up a thin walled, deep 13/16th socket for the spark plugs.
The lower one was especially awkward with my open/box end wrench.
I also have to jack up and block the trailer frame, remove the two wheels
and spare for shed storage and build a frame for my tarps.
I'm still wishy/washy about leaving the motor on the *low* transom or to
remove it for a nice comfy spot in one of my sheds.





Calif Bill November 6th 07 09:33 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Paul G." wrote in message
oups.com...
I have a 12' fiberglass boat that is rated for "up to 14 hp". What's
a practical size outboard for this boat? Should I go for the max or
what? Thanks,
-Paul


I've got a 14' aluminum yacht rated for 25 hp, but my motor's 15 hp. I
can hit 22 mph on flat water with two adults on board. The boat itself
weighs about 400 lbs. Check your boat's weight and that should give you
a useful guideline.

Also consider who will be in the boat much of the time. I often fish
alone, and my motor's a tiller model. So, I'm in the stern along with
the battery. That raises the bow (affecting visibility) under certain
conditions and no amount of motor angle adjustment helps. I usually put
a couple of 50 lb sandbags in the bow. Even so, this nixed the idea of
upgrading to 25 hp a few years back. That, and the fact that flat water
almost never happens around here.


A while back here, people would buy a 9.9 hp outboards to avoid the need
to license their boat.
I have a 25 hp on a 14' 6" aluminum boat now and found the licensing
procedure to be free and relatively painless.


I don't know if licensing is related to horsepower here, but there's one
lake where there's a 10 hp limit. My dealer has repeatedly offered to get
me a different decal for my motor, since (according to him), the only diff
between the 10 and the 15 hp motors is the carb.


My 14' boat with 15 hp was automatically covered under my State Farm home
owners policy. My check on the HP limits for coverage.



JoeSpareBedroom November 6th 07 09:35 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Paul G." wrote in message
oups.com...
I have a 12' fiberglass boat that is rated for "up to 14 hp". What's
a practical size outboard for this boat? Should I go for the max or
what? Thanks,
-Paul


I've got a 14' aluminum yacht rated for 25 hp, but my motor's 15 hp. I
can hit 22 mph on flat water with two adults on board. The boat itself
weighs about 400 lbs. Check your boat's weight and that should give you
a useful guideline.

Also consider who will be in the boat much of the time. I often fish
alone, and my motor's a tiller model. So, I'm in the stern along with
the battery. That raises the bow (affecting visibility) under certain
conditions and no amount of motor angle adjustment helps. I usually put
a couple of 50 lb sandbags in the bow. Even so, this nixed the idea of
upgrading to 25 hp a few years back. That, and the fact that flat water
almost never happens around here.

A while back here, people would buy a 9.9 hp outboards to avoid the need
to license their boat.
I have a 25 hp on a 14' 6" aluminum boat now and found the licensing
procedure to be free and relatively painless.


I don't know if licensing is related to horsepower here, but there's one
lake where there's a 10 hp limit. My dealer has repeatedly offered to get
me a different decal for my motor, since (according to him), the only
diff between the 10 and the 15 hp motors is the carb.


My 14' boat with 15 hp was automatically covered under my State Farm home
owners policy. My check on the HP limits for coverage.


I saw Christmas decorations for sale today at CVS.



Chuck Gould November 6th 07 10:20 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Nov 6, 12:45?pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message

...







"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Paul G." wrote in message
groups.com...
I have a 12' fiberglass boat that is rated for "up to 14 hp". What's
a practical size outboard for this boat? Should I go for the max or
what? Thanks,
-Paul


I've got a 14' aluminum yacht rated for 25 hp, but my motor's 15 hp. I
can hit 22 mph on flat water with two adults on board. The boat itself
weighs about 400 lbs. Check your boat's weight and that should give you a
useful guideline.


Also consider who will be in the boat much of the time. I often fish
alone, and my motor's a tiller model. So, I'm in the stern along with the
battery. That raises the bow (affecting visibility) under certain
conditions and no amount of motor angle adjustment helps. I usually put a
couple of 50 lb sandbags in the bow. Even so, this nixed the idea of
upgrading to 25 hp a few years back. That, and the fact that flat water
almost never happens around here.


A while back here, people would buy a 9.9 hp outboards to avoid the need
to license their boat.
I have a 25 hp on a 14' 6" aluminum boat now and found the licensing
procedure to be free and relatively painless.


I don't know if licensing is related to horsepower here, but there's one
lake where there's a 10 hp limit. My dealer has repeatedly offered to get me
a different decal for my motor, since (according to him), the only diff
between the 10 and the 15 hp motors is the carb.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I'd be very very careful about doing business with anybody so
nonchalant about violating the law. How will you know he hasn't
swtiched the decal on something he sells you?


Wayne.B November 6th 07 10:41 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:38:02 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Also consider who will be in the boat much of the time. I often fish alone,
and my motor's a tiller model. So, I'm in the stern along with the battery.
That raises the bow (affecting visibility) under certain conditions and no
amount of motor angle adjustment helps. I usually put a couple of 50 lb
sandbags in the bow. Even so, this nixed the idea of upgrading to 25 hp a
few years back. That, and the fact that flat water almost never happens
around here.


You can probably fix that issue by installing a Doel-fin (whale tail)
on the cavitation plate. I just put one on my 20 hp Honda and it made
a huge difference.

As for the original question, I guess you have to settle for a 10
horse since 15 would exceed the rating. Otherwise I'd max it out and
go for the 15.

[email protected] November 6th 07 11:45 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Tue, 06 Nov 07 10:38am CST, "JoeSpareBedroom"
my motor's a tiller model. So, I'm in the stern along with the battery.
That raises the bow (affecting visibility) under certain conditions


Which certain conditions? Conditions other than planning?

On Tue, 06 Nov 07, 4:41pm CST, Wayne.B wrote:
You can probably fix that issue by installing a Doel-fin (whale tail)
on the cavitation plate. I just put one on my 20 hp Honda and it made
a huge difference.


What type boat do you have it on? I have a 20hp Honda that I've been
using on a 16' planning dory. Not sure about the boat weight but I'm
thinking 400-450 lbs. Even at top end, the bow is too high so I've
considered Doel Fins. Problem is, I'll also want to use it on a 14',
225lb skiff. I haven't tried the Honda on the skiff yet but I'm
thinking I shouldn't have a bow trim problem with that one. Soooo....I
wouldn't want Doel Fins for that. Not sure what I'll do (or not do) at
this point.

As for the original question, I agree with Wayne. I can't think of an
outboard at 14hp or 13, 12, or 11 for that matter. I think 9.9 hp is
the most you'll find without exceeding the hp recomendation. You'll
have lots of choices at 9.9 and, with the right prop, that should push
a 12 footer along smartly. On the other hand, it depends on what you
want to do with it. A 5 or 6hp will shove it along well too, but just
not as fast. Maybe you can borrow a motor from someone just to get an
idea what you want.

Rick

JoeSpareBedroom November 7th 07 12:03 AM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Nov 07 10:38am CST, "JoeSpareBedroom"
my motor's a tiller model. So, I'm in the stern along with the battery.
That raises the bow (affecting visibility) under certain conditions


Which certain conditions? Conditions other than planning?



Planning? Rephrase your question, please. As written, it makes no sense.



Wayne.B November 7th 07 12:06 AM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:45:32 -0600, lid wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 07, 4:41pm CST, Wayne.B wrote:
You can probably fix that issue by installing a Doel-fin (whale tail)
on the cavitation plate. I just put one on my 20 hp Honda and it made
a huge difference.


What type boat do you have it on? I have a 20hp Honda that I've been
using on a 16' planning dory. Not sure about the boat weight but I'm
thinking 400-450 lbs. Even at top end, the bow is too high so I've
considered Doel Fins. Problem is, I'll also want to use it on a 14',
225lb skiff. I haven't tried the Honda on the skiff yet but I'm
thinking I shouldn't have a bow trim problem with that one. Soooo....I
wouldn't want Doel Fins for that. Not sure what I'll do (or not do) at
this point.


I'm using it on an 11 ft rigid bottom inflatable (RIB). The boat
weighs about 160, motor 130 (elec start/power tilt), battery 10, and
fuel 50 - total about 350 lbs. It does about 20 kts at wide open
throttle using a 9 inch pitch prop.

You should be able to compensate for the differences between boats by
adjusting the tilt. I think you'll like the Doel-fin. It made a huge
difference on my boat, inexpensive and easy to install.

Dan November 7th 07 12:38 AM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
lid wrote:
On Tue, 06 Nov 07 10:38am CST, "JoeSpareBedroom"
my motor's a tiller model. So, I'm in the stern along with the battery.
That raises the bow (affecting visibility) under certain conditions


Which certain conditions? Conditions other than planning?

On Tue, 06 Nov 07, 4:41pm CST, Wayne.B wrote:
You can probably fix that issue by installing a Doel-fin (whale tail)
on the cavitation plate. I just put one on my 20 hp Honda and it made
a huge difference.


What type boat do you have it on? I have a 20hp Honda that I've been
using on a 16' planning dory. Not sure about the boat weight but I'm
thinking 400-450 lbs. Even at top end, the bow is too high so I've
considered Doel Fins. Problem is, I'll also want to use it on a 14',
225lb skiff. I haven't tried the Honda on the skiff yet but I'm
thinking I shouldn't have a bow trim problem with that one. Soooo....I
wouldn't want Doel Fins for that. Not sure what I'll do (or not do) at
this point.

As for the original question, I agree with Wayne. I can't think of an
outboard at 14hp or 13, 12, or 11 for that matter. I think 9.9 hp is
the most you'll find without exceeding the hp recomendation. You'll
have lots of choices at 9.9 and, with the right prop, that should push
a 12 footer along smartly. On the other hand, it depends on what you
want to do with it. A 5 or 6hp will shove it along well too, but just
not as fast. Maybe you can borrow a motor from someone just to get an
idea what you want.

Rick


I would skip the single cylinder models and get the 8HP or 9.9HP. They
are much smoother motors.

Chuck Gould November 7th 07 02:21 AM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Nov 6, 8:14?am, "Paul G." wrote:
I have a 12' fiberglass boat that is rated for "up to 14 hp". What's
a practical size outboard for this boat? Should I go for the max or
what? Thanks,
-Paul


What do you want to do with it?

If speed is a high priority, go for the larger motor.

Be aware that if this is an older boat, that 14HP designation was
likely made with a 2-stroke in mind. Four stroke engines are heavier,
so from a weight standpoint you may want to back off on the max HP if
you're gong to use a four stroke.

You can move the boat with a very small outboard, beyond that it's a
question of how important you think speed will be.


[email protected] November 7th 07 05:22 AM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
"JoeSpareBedroom"
my motor's a tiller model. So, I'm in the stern along with the battery.
That raises the bow (affecting visibility) under certain conditions


Phantman:
Which certain conditions? Conditions other than planning?


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
Planning?


oh.... hmmm....was it the extra "n" that threw you??

Rephrase your question, please. As written, it makes no sense


Never mind. It wasn't important.

Rick

[email protected] November 7th 07 06:12 AM

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Wayne.B wrote:
I think you'll like the Doel-fin. It made a huge
difference on my boat,


Besides trimming the bow down, did it make a difference in the top
speed? And fuel economy? And the minimum planing speed?

Rick ----- just wondering

Tom G November 7th 07 06:18 AM

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Paul G." wrote in message
oups.com...
I have a 12' fiberglass boat that is rated for "up to 14 hp". What's
a practical size outboard for this boat? Should I go for the max or
what? Thanks,
-Paul


I've got a 14' aluminum yacht rated for 25 hp, but my motor's 15 hp. I
can hit 22 mph on flat water with two adults on board. The boat itself
weighs about 400 lbs. Check your boat's weight and that should give you
a useful guideline.

Also consider who will be in the boat much of the time. I often fish
alone, and my motor's a tiller model. So, I'm in the stern along with
the battery. That raises the bow (affecting visibility) under certain
conditions and no amount of motor angle adjustment helps. I usually put
a couple of 50 lb sandbags in the bow. Even so, this nixed the idea of
upgrading to 25 hp a few years back. That, and the fact that flat water
almost never happens around here.


A while back here, people would buy a 9.9 hp outboards to avoid the need
to license their boat.
I have a 25 hp on a 14' 6" aluminum boat now and found the licensing
procedure to be free and relatively painless.


I don't know if licensing is related to horsepower here, but there's one
lake where there's a 10 hp limit. My dealer has repeatedly offered to get
me a different decal for my motor, since (according to him), the only diff
between the 10 and the 15 hp motors is the carb.

Also, here in N. Il. the reason for the 9.9 was to be legal on the smaller
lakes that restricted horsepower to under 10hp. Even canoes and rowboats
have to be licensed. Our local state park/lake has no restrictions on hp,
now, but restricts all boats to "no wake".

Tom G.



Tom G November 7th 07 06:32 AM

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(clipped)

I don't know if licensing is related to horsepower here, but there's one
lake where there's a 10 hp limit. My dealer has repeatedly offered to get
me a different decal for my motor, since (according to him), the only
diff between the 10 and the 15 hp motors is the carb.


My 14' boat with 15 hp was automatically covered under my State Farm home
owners policy. My check on the HP limits for coverage.


You might want to double check that insurance. I also assumed that my
homeowners insurance with State Farm covered boats up to 14ft and under 25
hp. as it stated. However, my agent told me that was just for loss or
liability if it was operated on waters totally within my property. Or was
stolen or damaged by wind/fire/etc. He said that as soon as I pull away
from my dock on the river, the coverage ceases and that I would need
liability coverage to protect from any injury or damage that I might cause
to anyone else. Liability on a boat is pretty cheap. I pay about $70 a
year to cover my 24 ft pontoon boat..well, maybe not so cheap since I only
managed about two weeks in the water this year due to flood waters. I've
been back in this area 5 years, now and this is the second Summer that the
Sheriff has closed the river to boating due to high waters. 50 years ago,
when I was a kid in this same house, nobody ever thought of closing the
river...we just all had the common sense to stay off when water levels were
dangerous. But then, there weren't any million dollar houses with expensive
boats and docks to be damaged by boat waves, either.

Tom G





Calif Bill November 7th 07 06:44 AM

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"Tom G" wrote in message
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I don't know if licensing is related to horsepower here, but there's one
lake where there's a 10 hp limit. My dealer has repeatedly offered to
get me a different decal for my motor, since (according to him), the
only diff between the 10 and the 15 hp motors is the carb.


My 14' boat with 15 hp was automatically covered under my State Farm home
owners policy. My check on the HP limits for coverage.


You might want to double check that insurance. I also assumed that my
homeowners insurance with State Farm covered boats up to 14ft and under 25
hp. as it stated. However, my agent told me that was just for loss or
liability if it was operated on waters totally within my property. Or was
stolen or damaged by wind/fire/etc. He said that as soon as I pull away
from my dock on the river, the coverage ceases and that I would need
liability coverage to protect from any injury or damage that I might cause
to anyone else. Liability on a boat is pretty cheap. I pay about $70 a
year to cover my 24 ft pontoon boat..well, maybe not so cheap since I only
managed about two weeks in the water this year due to flood waters. I've
been back in this area 5 years, now and this is the second Summer that the
Sheriff has closed the river to boating due to high waters. 50 years ago,
when I was a kid in this same house, nobody ever thought of closing the
river...we just all had the common sense to stay off when water levels
were dangerous. But then, there weren't any million dollar houses with
expensive boats and docks to be damaged by boat waves, either.

Tom G



\


My policy covered me liability wise with the 14' boat. Was in the small
print. My 21' boat costs me $240 a year for $20k boat and trailer.



Paul G. November 7th 07 07:11 AM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Nov 6, 6:21 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 6, 8:14?am, "Paul G." wrote:

I have a 12' fiberglass boat that is rated for "up to 14 hp". What's
a practical size outboard for this boat? Should I go for the max or
what? Thanks,
-Paul


What do you want to do with it?

If speed is a high priority, go for the larger motor.

Be aware that if this is an older boat, that 14HP designation was
likely made with a 2-stroke in mind. Four stroke engines are heavier,
so from a weight standpoint you may want to back off on the max HP if
you're gong to use a four stroke.

You can move the boat with a very small outboard, beyond that it's a
question of how important you think speed will be.


Thanks, that's useful info. Speed is not a big deal, but I do want to
get it planing efficiently. I hadn't thought about the weight issue,
it is 25 yr old or so Sears fiberglass 12' boat. Sounds like the 9.9
hp would be OK, and I know some lakes around here limit boats to under
10 hp.
-Paul


Wayne.B November 7th 07 01:15 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:12:29 -0600, lid wrote:

Besides trimming the bow down, did it make a difference in the top
speed? And fuel economy? And the minimum planing speed?


I think top speed is about the same but I'm able to run faster than
before because of improved trim, less bounce and better control.

I don't really track fuel economy on the dinghy but consumption seems
to be inline with what I'd expect for a 20 hp motor. I probably
average about 1.5 gph unless I'm really running it hard.

Minimum planing speed has improved a great deal but even more
importantly, the transition between planing and not planing has
smoothed out, allowing much better control of speed in that range.

JoeSpareBedroom November 7th 07 01:32 PM

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"Tom G" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Paul G." wrote in message
oups.com...
I have a 12' fiberglass boat that is rated for "up to 14 hp". What's
a practical size outboard for this boat? Should I go for the max or
what? Thanks,
-Paul


I've got a 14' aluminum yacht rated for 25 hp, but my motor's 15 hp. I
can hit 22 mph on flat water with two adults on board. The boat itself
weighs about 400 lbs. Check your boat's weight and that should give you
a useful guideline.

Also consider who will be in the boat much of the time. I often fish
alone, and my motor's a tiller model. So, I'm in the stern along with
the battery. That raises the bow (affecting visibility) under certain
conditions and no amount of motor angle adjustment helps. I usually put
a couple of 50 lb sandbags in the bow. Even so, this nixed the idea of
upgrading to 25 hp a few years back. That, and the fact that flat water
almost never happens around here.

A while back here, people would buy a 9.9 hp outboards to avoid the need
to license their boat.
I have a 25 hp on a 14' 6" aluminum boat now and found the licensing
procedure to be free and relatively painless.


I don't know if licensing is related to horsepower here, but there's one
lake where there's a 10 hp limit. My dealer has repeatedly offered to get
me a different decal for my motor, since (according to him), the only
diff between the 10 and the 15 hp motors is the carb.

Also, here in N. Il. the reason for the 9.9 was to be legal on the smaller
lakes that restricted horsepower to under 10hp. Even canoes and rowboats
have to be licensed. Our local state park/lake has no restrictions on hp,
now, but restricts all boats to "no wake".

Tom G.


Here, the limit on this particular lake is for reasons of cleanliness, at
least in theory. It's the water supply for the city of Rochester. In
reality, you can have a legal size motor that creates an oil slick as soon
as it hits the water, but a larger motor that's spotless is illegal.

Nobody knows how to deal with this irony, so the law stands.



Don White November 7th 07 01:56 PM

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"Tom G" wrote in message
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I don't know if licensing is related to horsepower here, but there's one
lake where there's a 10 hp limit. My dealer has repeatedly offered to
get me a different decal for my motor, since (according to him), the
only diff between the 10 and the 15 hp motors is the carb.


My 14' boat with 15 hp was automatically covered under my State Farm home
owners policy. My check on the HP limits for coverage.


You might want to double check that insurance. I also assumed that my
homeowners insurance with State Farm covered boats up to 14ft and under 25
hp. as it stated. However, my agent told me that was just for loss or
liability if it was operated on waters totally within my property. Or was
stolen or damaged by wind/fire/etc. He said that as soon as I pull away
from my dock on the river, the coverage ceases and that I would need
liability coverage to protect from any injury or damage that I might cause
to anyone else. Liability on a boat is pretty cheap. I pay about $70 a
year to cover my 24 ft pontoon boat..well, maybe not so cheap since I only
managed about two weeks in the water this year due to flood waters. I've
been back in this area 5 years, now and this is the second Summer that the
Sheriff has closed the river to boating due to high waters. 50 years ago,
when I was a kid in this same house, nobody ever thought of closing the
river...we just all had the common sense to stay off when water levels
were dangerous. But then, there weren't any million dollar houses with
expensive boats and docks to be damaged by boat waves, either.

Tom G



My homeowners policy would cover a trailerable boat up to $2.5K
I pay for a rider to cover the actual value of my boat.



[email protected] November 7th 07 02:15 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Wed, 07 Nov 07, 12:12am CST, PhantMan wrote:
Besides trimming the bow down, did it make a difference in the top
speed? And fuel economy? And the minimum planing speed?


On Wed, 07 Nov 07, 7:15am CST, Wayne.B wrote:
I think top speed is about the same but I'm able to run faster than
before because of improved trim, less bounce and better control.

I don't really track fuel economy on the dinghy but consumption seems
to be inline with what I'd expect for a 20 hp motor. I probably
average about 1.5 gph unless I'm really running it hard.

Minimum planing speed has improved a great deal but even more
importantly, the transition between planing and not planing has
smoothed out, allowing much better control of speed in that range.


Thanks, I just may give it a go.
One other sort of off the wall question. Do you use muffs to flush
your engine? Something unique to this 20hp Honda, I've found that my
engine eats impellers for breakfast when I regularly flush it on a
garden hose with muffs. I've lately started running it only in a
barrell and so far -fingers crossed- so good. I've owned a lot of
outboards but this is the first one that's acted like this.
Anyhow, I was just wondering.

Rick

Paul G. November 7th 07 05:10 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Nov 6, 3:45 pm, wrote:


As for the original question, I agree with Wayne. I can't think of an
outboard at 14hp or 13, 12, or 11 for that matter. I think 9.9 hp is
the most you'll find without exceeding the hp recomendation. You'll
have lots of choices at 9.9 and, with the right prop, that should push
a 12 footer along smartly. On the other hand, it depends on what you
want to do with it. A 5 or 6hp will shove it along well too, but just
not as fast. Maybe you can borrow a motor from someone just to get an
idea what you want.


Thanks for the info. I wasn't sure how much power was needed to get a
12' boat planing. I'm pretty good at searching the internet, but
couldn't find any guidelines on outboard hp selection.

If 6 hp will get it moving, and 15 hp is beyond the boat's rating, 9.9
hp sounds like a good choice.
-Paul


Paul G. November 7th 07 05:12 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Nov 6, 4:38 pm, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote:


I would skip the single cylinder models and get the 8HP or 9.9HP. They
are much smoother motors.


Thanks, that's the kind of info I need. These tips will save me from
learning the hard way.
-Paul



Wayne.B November 7th 07 08:21 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:15:55 -0600, lid wrote:

One other sort of off the wall question. Do you use muffs to flush
your engine? Something unique to this 20hp Honda, I've found that my
engine eats impellers for breakfast when I regularly flush it on a
garden hose with muffs. I've lately started running it only in a
barrell and so far -fingers crossed- so good. I've owned a lot of
outboards but this is the first one that's acted like this.
Anyhow, I was just wondering.


There is a port built into my BF-20 where you can flush it without
running the engine. Honda sells a small screw in adapter for a garden
house that costs about $15 if my memory is correct. It's a lot
cheaper and easier than replacing impellers.

Wayne.B November 7th 07 08:24 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:10:46 -0800, "Paul G."
wrote:

If 6 hp will get it moving, and 15 hp is beyond the boat's rating, 9.9
hp sounds like a good choice.


It should go pretty well with a 9.9 if you don't load it down too
much. I'd recommend a Doel-fin if it is slow to get on plane. I've
become a believer since I got mine.

[email protected] November 7th 07 09:07 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
Wayne.B wrote:
There is a port built into my BF-20 where you can flush it without
running the engine.


But.....I run mine anyway.
I let mine sit up once for about 6 weeks. Wasn't worried about it as
I'd drained the carb as usual and I've never had a problem with other
outboards doing that. Ended up having to buy a new carb for it. The
shop tells me you can't get all the fuel out of those things no matter
what you do. So now I run it every week or two. YMMV

Rick

Wayne.B November 7th 07 10:22 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:07:48 -0600, lid wrote:

Ended up having to buy a new carb for it. The
shop tells me you can't get all the fuel out of those things no matter
what you do. So now I run it every week or two.


Have you discovered the drain screw in the bottom of the carburetor
bowl? I stumbed on to it more or less by accident after getting some
water in the fuel. Once you back it out half way the bowl starts to
drain. I would also recommend putting some "Stabil" in the fuel
before you run it the last time prior to storage.

FWIW, I was told by my Honda dealer to *not* run the engine when using
the flush port.

HK November 7th 07 10:30 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:07:48 -0600, lid wrote:

Ended up having to buy a new carb for it. The
shop tells me you can't get all the fuel out of those things no matter
what you do. So now I run it every week or two.


Have you discovered the drain screw in the bottom of the carburetor
bowl? I stumbed on to it more or less by accident after getting some
water in the fuel. Once you back it out half way the bowl starts to
drain. I would also recommend putting some "Stabil" in the fuel
before you run it the last time prior to storage.

FWIW, I was told by my Honda dealer to *not* run the engine when using
the flush port.



Ahh, for the good old days of simple outboards that were run in salt
water and got flushed once at the end of the season and ran and ran and
ran... :}

Wayne.B November 7th 07 11:17 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:30:58 -0500, HK wrote:

Ahh, for the good old days of simple outboards that were run in salt
water and got flushed once at the end of the season and ran and ran and
ran... :}


Do you flush your Yamaha every time out?

HK November 7th 07 11:21 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:30:58 -0500, HK wrote:

Ahh, for the good old days of simple outboards that were run in salt
water and got flushed once at the end of the season and ran and ran and
ran... :}


Do you flush your Yamaha every time out?



Sure. But it's easy. And it's part of my routine of washing out the boat
each and every time I use it. There's a flush hose inlet on the port
side of the motor just under the "hood" that hooks up to a garden hose.

[email protected] November 7th 07 11:25 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
PhantMan wrote:
Ended up having to buy a new carb for it. The
shop tells me you can't get all the fuel out of those things no matter
what you do. So now I run it every week or two.


Wayne.B wrote:
Have you discovered the drain screw in the bottom of the carburetor
bowl?


Yep. The shop tells me it won't get all the fuel out either. I can't
believe how complex the carburetor is on this dinky little outboard.
And I've never seen jets so tiny.

I would also recommend putting some "Stabil" in the fuel
before you run it the last time prior to storage.


I keep Stabil in it since the new carb. But we don't do much "Winter"
here so "storage" just means I haven't had a chance to use it for a
few weeks. And sometimes the weeks turn into months. I never know
ahead of time.

FWIW, I was told by my Honda dealer to *not* run the engine when using
the flush port.


Exactly. I think I'm correct in saying that water going into the port
would never go through the waterpump. So the impeller would be
spinning dry.

Rick

[email protected] November 7th 07 11:37 PM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Wed, 07 Nov 07, HK wrote:
Ahh, for the good old days of simple outboards that were run in salt
water and got flushed once at the end of the season and ran and ran and
ran... :}


Ain't *that* the truth.
I have a 1968 6hp Evinrude in my shed that sometimes goes 2-3 years
without being run. I just pull on the starter rope now and then when I
pass by to spin the crank a little. But I have no doubt that if I
hooked it up right now, it would start and run like a champ on the
first/second pull.
Needless to say, I've been sorely disappointed in this Honda. But I'm
told all the new motors are as finicky.

Rick

HK November 8th 07 12:53 AM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:30:17 -0500, John H. wrote:

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:21:52 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:30:58 -0500, HK wrote:

Ahh, for the good old days of simple outboards that were run in salt
water and got flushed once at the end of the season and ran and ran and
ran... :}
Do you flush your Yamaha every time out?

Sure. But it's easy. And it's part of my routine of washing out the boat
each and every time I use it. There's a flush hose inlet on the port
side of the motor just under the "hood" that hooks up to a garden hose.

Engine running or not?


Put a comma after 'running'.


Not running.

John H. November 8th 07 01:30 AM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:21:52 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:30:58 -0500, HK wrote:

Ahh, for the good old days of simple outboards that were run in salt
water and got flushed once at the end of the season and ran and ran and
ran... :}


Do you flush your Yamaha every time out?



Sure. But it's easy. And it's part of my routine of washing out the boat
each and every time I use it. There's a flush hose inlet on the port
side of the motor just under the "hood" that hooks up to a garden hose.


Engine running or not?

John H. November 8th 07 01:37 AM

How much motor does a 12' fg need?
 
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:30:17 -0500, John H. wrote:

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:21:52 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:30:58 -0500, HK wrote:

Ahh, for the good old days of simple outboards that were run in salt
water and got flushed once at the end of the season and ran and ran and
ran... :}

Do you flush your Yamaha every time out?



Sure. But it's easy. And it's part of my routine of washing out the boat
each and every time I use it. There's a flush hose inlet on the port
side of the motor just under the "hood" that hooks up to a garden hose.


Engine running or not?


Put a comma after 'running'.


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