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What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was
boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo ID, among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't always been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I find the law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both? |
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"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
. .. What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo ID, among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't always been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I find the law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both? I'm curious about something. Since 90% of drivers are not competent to drive, it stand to reason that the percentage is valid for boaters, too. That means someone in a boat is trying to kill you at any given moment (as we established in an earlier thread). When one of these people succeeds and your body's found floating a mile from your boat, how will it be identified if you don't have your wallet in your pocket? |
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"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message . .. What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo ID, among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't always been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I find the law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both? I'm curious about something. Since 90% of drivers are not competent to drive, it stand to reason that the percentage is valid for boaters, too. That means someone in a boat is trying to kill you at any given moment (as we established in an earlier thread). When one of these people succeeds and your body's found floating a mile from your boat, how will it be identified if you don't have your wallet in your pocket? You live a miserable existence. |
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. .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message . .. What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo ID, among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't always been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I find the law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both? I'm curious about something. Since 90% of drivers are not competent to drive, it stand to reason that the percentage is valid for boaters, too. That means someone in a boat is trying to kill you at any given moment (as we established in an earlier thread). When one of these people succeeds and your body's found floating a mile from your boat, how will it be identified if you don't have your wallet in your pocket? You live a miserable existence. No, child. I'm a keen observer, and you are not. Learn to accept your fate. |
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On Oct 31, 4:16?pm, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote: What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo ID, among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't always been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I find the law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both? The USCG is regulated by the Department of Homeland Security. Federal. Interesting that they asked for a photo ID. One of the reasons that the USCG commandant suggested that a national boater ID would be useful is a USCG contention that they are prohibited from asking for ID. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote
someone in a boat is trying to kill you at any given moment (as we established in an earlier thread). When one of these people succeeds and your body's found floating a mile from your boat, how will it be identified if you don't have your wallet in your pocket? I figure they'll just look down and say, "Dang, looks like some poor old feller that was murdered by a marauding fiend with a .02 BAC." Doubt I'll much care at that point anyway, really. |
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Interesting that they asked for a photo ID. One of the reasons that the USCG commandant suggested that a national boater ID would be useful is a USCG contention that they are prohibited from asking for ID. These fellows must not have read the memo. Maybe we have a local ID law? I don't know what they would have said if I told them no, but I wasn't too inclined to find out, considering they were four or five strappin' big boys carrying sidearms in a fast-looking aluminum boat with a machine gun on the front. |
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inclined to find out, considering they were four or five strappin' big boys carrying sidearms in a fast-looking aluminum boat with a machine gun on the front. Sure, why grow a spine now? |
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On Oct 31, 8:14 pm, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote Interesting that they asked for a photo ID. One of the reasons that the USCG commandant suggested that a national boater ID would be useful is a USCG contention that they are prohibited from asking for ID. These fellows must not have read the memo. Maybe we have a local ID law? I don't know what they would have said if I told them no, but I wasn't too inclined to find out, considering they were four or five strappin' big boys carrying sidearms in a fast-looking aluminum boat with a machine gun on the front. Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID cuz I'll tell em "I'm your boss, the taxpayer, go away". I thought this issue was settled in a case in Wy where a guy sitting in a truck was asked for his ID by a cop for no reason. He had not been driving, he was just waiting for someone. He refused and was arrested. Court ruled cops have no right to ask for ID for no reason. |
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Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID I assumed they were looking for drunks. Couple of my passengers had a beer in hand. I had a Vernor's ginger ale, myself. Maybe they saw four fifty year-old men in a thirty year-old ski boat loafing along next to a large power plant and suspected we might be working for al Qaeda. Come to think of it, we all had beards. |
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Ernest Scribbler wrote:
What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo ID, among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't always been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I find the law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both? In Georgia you need the Certificate of Boat Registration on board and a government ID card of some kind. normally people just use their Drivers License. |
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On Oct 31, 7:36 pm, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote: wrote Maybe they saw four fifty year-old men in a thirty year-old ski boat loafing along next to a large power plant and suspected we might be working for al Qaeda. Come to think of it, we all had beards. Without the beard and the power plant, that sounds like me! |
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wrote in message oups.com... Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID cuz I'll tell em "I'm your boss, the taxpayer, go away". I thought this issue was settled in a case in Wy where a guy sitting in a truck was asked for his ID by a cop for no reason. He had not been driving, he was just waiting for someone. He refused and was arrested. Court ruled cops have no right to ask for ID for no reason. I would love to hear the results of you saying that if you are stopped and boarded by the USCG. I don't think the same rules apply. Eisboch |
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:21:32 -0700, ohara5.0 wrote:
Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID cuz I'll tell em "I'm your boss, the taxpayer, go away". I thought this issue was settled in a case in Wy where a guy sitting in a truck was asked for his ID by a cop for no reason. He had not been driving, he was just waiting for someone. He refused and was arrested. Court ruled cops have no right to ask for ID for no reason. Yeah, but. The standard is not probable cause, it's reasonable suspicion, and you *can* be prosecuted if you don't identify yourself. http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/24/do....id/index.html |
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On Nov 1, 7:02 am, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:21:32 -0700, ohara5.0 wrote: Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID cuz I'll tell em "I'm your boss, the taxpayer, go away". I thought this issue was settled in a case in Wy where a guy sitting in a truck was asked for his ID by a cop for no reason. He had not been driving, he was just waiting for someone. He refused and was arrested. Court ruled cops have no right to ask for ID for no reason. Yeah, but. The standard is not probable cause, it's reasonable suspicion, and you *can* be prosecuted if you don't identify yourself. http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/24/do....id/index.html As in the WY case, simply being on a boat does not constitute "reasonable suspicion". If you were adjacent to a power plant or something else that could reasonably be a target, maybe, however, simply being aboard a boat in open water could not b interpreted that way. |
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On Nov 1, 8:36 am, wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:02 am, thunder wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:21:32 -0700, ohara5.0 wrote: Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID cuz I'll tell em "I'm your boss, the taxpayer, go away". I thought this issue was settled in a case in Wy where a guy sitting in a truck was asked for his ID by a cop for no reason. He had not been driving, he was just waiting for someone. He refused and was arrested. Court ruled cops have no right to ask for ID for no reason. Yeah, but. The standard is not probable cause, it's reasonable suspicion, and you *can* be prosecuted if you don't identify yourself. http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/24/do....id/index.html As in the WY case, simply being on a boat does not constitute "reasonable suspicion". If you were adjacent to a power plant or something else that could reasonably be a target, maybe, however, simply being aboard a boat in open water could not b interpreted that way. I did have something similar to this happen to me. We were at a boat landing at a FL state park eating at a picnic table. I came back from the water and found a ranger going through my ice chest and I asked calmly what he was doing and he said he was searching for alchohol to which I replied "No way" and slammed it shut telling him he had no cause for doing so. He told me that he had ticketed my friend at a nearby table for posession of alcohol in the park. Neither of us had any alcohol but he had simply sat down at a table on which there was an empty beer can. Consequently, he wanted to search my ice chest. I told him that he needed a search warrant and sat on the ice chest. We both got tickets for posession of alcohol. Friend #3 who is a lawyer calmly sat watching the whole episode and whn the rangers had left said "This will be fun". Next month, we had to appear at the Wakulla County Courthouse in Crawfordville, real redneck land. We all showed up as did the rangers to our surprise. The lawyer told the judge what had happed and he (the judge) was speechless with anger. He then gave the rangers a 15 minute rant on what they could legally do and what they couldnt do. |
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oups.com... On Nov 1, 8:36 am, wrote: On Nov 1, 7:02 am, thunder wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:21:32 -0700, ohara5.0 wrote: Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID cuz I'll tell em "I'm your boss, the taxpayer, go away". I thought this issue was settled in a case in Wy where a guy sitting in a truck was asked for his ID by a cop for no reason. He had not been driving, he was just waiting for someone. He refused and was arrested. Court ruled cops have no right to ask for ID for no reason. Yeah, but. The standard is not probable cause, it's reasonable suspicion, and you *can* be prosecuted if you don't identify yourself. http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/24/do....id/index.html As in the WY case, simply being on a boat does not constitute "reasonable suspicion". If you were adjacent to a power plant or something else that could reasonably be a target, maybe, however, simply being aboard a boat in open water could not b interpreted that way. I did have something similar to this happen to me. We were at a boat landing at a FL state park eating at a picnic table. I came back from the water and found a ranger going through my ice chest and I asked calmly what he was doing and he said he was searching for alchohol to which I replied "No way" and slammed it shut telling him he had no cause for doing so. He told me that he had ticketed my friend at a nearby table for posession of alcohol in the park. Neither of us had any alcohol but he had simply sat down at a table on which there was an empty beer can. Consequently, he wanted to search my ice chest. I told him that he needed a search warrant and sat on the ice chest. We both got tickets for posession of alcohol. Friend #3 who is a lawyer calmly sat watching the whole episode and whn the rangers had left said "This will be fun". Next month, we had to appear at the Wakulla County Courthouse in Crawfordville, real redneck land. We all showed up as did the rangers to our surprise. The lawyer told the judge what had happed and he (the judge) was speechless with anger. He then gave the rangers a 15 minute rant on what they could legally do and what they couldnt do. You got lucky. Here (NY), town justices do not have to have any legal training. You could've ended up with yahoo whose main job was stacking produce at the local IGA grocery store. |
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On Oct 31, 8:19 pm, "Bill Kearney" wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:
but I wasn't too inclined to find out, considering they were four or five strappin' big boys carrying sidearms in a fast-looking aluminum boat with a machine gun on the front. Sure, why grow a spine now? Why pick a fight with someone doing his job? |
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On Nov 1, 9:39?am, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:52:57 -0700, wrote: I told him that he needed a search warrant and sat on the ice chest. Try that with a wildlife officer I wouldn't be surprised to learn that when you apply for a hunting or fishing license somewhere in that boilerplate is a statement confirming that you will abide by all of the applicable laws in your state. If one of the laws is that a wildlife officer will be permitted to search creels, ice chests, fish boxes, refrigerators and other likely areas to confirm compliance with those laws you have probably given your consent to the search. |
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On Oct 31, 6:03?pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Ernest Scribbler wrote: What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo ID, among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't always been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I find the law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both? In Georgia you need the Certificate of Boat Registration on board and a government ID card of some kind. normally people just use their Drivers License. What's the minimum age for operating a boat in GA, (is there one?) vs the minimum age for driving a car? What sort of government ID does a 14 year old kid, allowed to putt around the harbor in the family dinghy with a 20-HP motor on it, carry? Could be a problem for boaters too young to drive, IMO. |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 31, 6:03?pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Ernest Scribbler wrote: What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo ID, among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't always been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I find the law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both? In Georgia you need the Certificate of Boat Registration on board and a government ID card of some kind. normally people just use their Drivers License. What's the minimum age for operating a boat in GA, (is there one?) vs the minimum age for driving a car? What sort of government ID does a 14 year old kid, allowed to putt around the harbor in the family dinghy with a 20-HP motor on it, carry? Could be a problem for boaters too young to drive, IMO. They have to take a boater safety course, and they are given a ID card. |
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On Nov 1, 2:19 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: wrote: On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:26:31 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: What's the minimum age for operating a boat in GA, (is there one?) vs the minimum age for driving a car? What sort of government ID does a 14 year old kid, allowed to putt around the harbor in the family dinghy with a 20-HP motor on it, carry? Could be a problem for boaters too young to drive, IMO. There are lots of people who don't have a driver's license. My mother didn't get one until she was in her 60s ... she still has it and she ded in 2002. I think all states have an ID card for those people who don't drive.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - In CT you have to be 16 to get the boating licence, and car licence. My dad does not drive but has a CT photo id very similar in appearance to our state drivers licence. |
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:04:14 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact. Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts before you hit that send bottom. Seriously. |
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"John H." wrote
I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact. Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts before you hit that send bottom. Seriously. (You're getting pretty picky!) Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms... |
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"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
... "John H." wrote I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact. Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts before you hit that send bottom. Seriously. (You're getting pretty picky!) Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms... Or, perhaps he has a low transom. |
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:23:21 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to learn that when you apply for a hunting or fishing license somewhere in that boilerplate is a statement confirming that you will abide by all of the applicable laws in your state. If one of the laws is that a wildlife officer will be permitted to search creels, ice chests, fish boxes, refrigerators and other likely areas to confirm compliance with those laws you have probably given your consent to the search. And if you have visible fishing equipment that would constitute reasonable suspicion, otherwise not. |
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On Oct 31, 8:21 pm, wrote:
On Oct 31, 8:14 pm, "Ernest Scribbler" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote Interesting that they asked for a photo ID. One of the reasons that the USCG commandant suggested that a national boater ID would be useful is a USCG contention that they are prohibited from asking for ID. These fellows must not have read the memo. Maybe we have a local ID law? I don't know what they would have said if I told them no, but I wasn't too inclined to find out, considering they were four or five strappin' big boys carrying sidearms in a fast-looking aluminum boat with a machine gun on the front. Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID cuz I'll tell em "I'm your boss, the taxpayer, go away". I thought this issue was settled in a case in Wy where a guy sitting in a truck was asked for his ID by a cop for no reason. He had not been driving, he was just waiting for someone. He refused and was arrested. Court ruled cops have no right to ask for ID for no reason. The high courts have watered down probable cause laws until they are almost non-existant, just like entrapment laws. |
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:53:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message ... "John H." wrote I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact. Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts before you hit that send bottom. Seriously. (You're getting pretty picky!) Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms... Or, perhaps he has a low transom. I'm telling you - that is never going to end. Never. :) |
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:35:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:04:14 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact. Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts before you hit that send bottom. Seriously. Change 'agree' to 'argue' (one letter off) and see if that helps! (You're getting pretty picky!) |
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On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:50:30 -0400, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote: "John H." wrote I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact. Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts before you hit that send bottom. Seriously. (You're getting pretty picky!) Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms... You need to proof read your post before you hit that button. You're liable to **** someone off talking about the 'bottoms' they're pushing! |
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:49:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:58:25 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:19:44 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: I think all states have an ID card for those people who don't drive. But there is no law requiring you to get one. That is the basis for the suits against "voter ID". Here's what I don't understand about this whole voter ID thing. Here in CT, a form of positive ID which essentially is a driver's license is required. The ID has to show residency in the town or, in matter of taxation, real estate in the town. No exceptions. What's do hard about doing this at the Federal level? Tom, there's lots of folks in lots of places that want *no* ID requirement for voters. |
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:53:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message ... "John H." wrote I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact. Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts before you hit that send bottom. Seriously. (You're getting pretty picky!) Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms... Or, perhaps he has a low transom. I'm telling you - that is never going to end. Never. :) Saw a beautiful boat today parked in front of West Marine. It's owner was in the store, shopping. It was a 2007 (I checked the transom) Seacrat 23. Classic lines. Seen many of those around, Tom? |
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:46:51 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:53:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message ... "John H." wrote I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact. Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts before you hit that send bottom. Seriously. (You're getting pretty picky!) Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms... Or, perhaps he has a low transom. I'm telling you - that is never going to end. Never. :) Saw a beautiful boat today parked in front of West Marine. It's owner was in the store, shopping. It was a 2007 (I checked the transom) Seacrat 23. Classic lines. Seen many of those around, Tom? SeaCraft boats? Sure - Johnny Morris owns SeaCraft as part of the Tracker Marine franchise. Nice boats, but not what they used to be. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:46:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:53:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message ... "John H." wrote I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact. Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts before you hit that send bottom. Seriously. (You're getting pretty picky!) Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms... Or, perhaps he has a low transom. I'm telling you - that is never going to end. Never. :) Saw a beautiful boat today parked in front of West Marine. It's owner was in the store, shopping. It was a 2007 (I checked the transom) Seacrat 23. Classic lines. Seen many of those around, Tom? SeaCraft boats? Sure - Johnny Morris owns SeaCraft as part of the Tracker Marine franchise. Nice boats, but not what they used to be. Is anything, except of course, for Parker? |
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:12:02 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:46:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:53:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message ... "John H." wrote I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact. Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts before you hit that send bottom. Seriously. (You're getting pretty picky!) Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms... Or, perhaps he has a low transom. I'm telling you - that is never going to end. Never. :) Saw a beautiful boat today parked in front of West Marine. It's owner was in the store, shopping. It was a 2007 (I checked the transom) Seacrat 23. Classic lines. Seen many of those around, Tom? SeaCraft boats? Sure - Johnny Morris owns SeaCraft as part of the Tracker Marine franchise. Nice boats, but not what they used to be. Is anything, except of course, for Parker? Bass Cat probably is another - still family owned and a very nice bass boat. In fact, if I were in the market for another bass boat, Bass Cat would be first on the list believe it or not - over Ranger to boot. http://www.basscat.com/ Gambler is another one that build one hell of a bass boat. http://www.gamblerboats.com/ Blue Fin is a great one off boat builder in Bristol RI that make a solid boat. http://www.bluefinboats.com/ North Coast, Cape Horn, Steiger, Contender, Regulator - all solid boats and still built in the same fashion as they were originally - all quality boats, guality components and built with style. Can't really say anything about Parkers as I don't honestly believe that I've ever seen one in the areas I run. |
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