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Ernest Scribbler October 31st 07 11:16 PM

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What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was
boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo ID,
among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't always
been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I find the
law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both?



JoeSpareBedroom October 31st 07 11:26 PM

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"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
. ..
What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was
boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo
ID, among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't
always been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I
find the law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both?



I'm curious about something. Since 90% of drivers are not competent to
drive, it stand to reason that the percentage is valid for boaters, too.
That means someone in a boat is trying to kill you at any given moment (as
we established in an earlier thread). When one of these people succeeds and
your body's found floating a mile from your boat, how will it be identified
if you don't have your wallet in your pocket?



BAR October 31st 07 11:35 PM

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
. ..
What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was
boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo
ID, among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't
always been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I
find the law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both?



I'm curious about something. Since 90% of drivers are not competent to
drive, it stand to reason that the percentage is valid for boaters, too.
That means someone in a boat is trying to kill you at any given moment (as
we established in an earlier thread). When one of these people succeeds and
your body's found floating a mile from your boat, how will it be identified
if you don't have your wallet in your pocket?



You live a miserable existence.

JoeSpareBedroom October 31st 07 11:36 PM

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"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
. ..
What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was
boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo
ID, among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't
always been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I
find the law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both?



I'm curious about something. Since 90% of drivers are not competent to
drive, it stand to reason that the percentage is valid for boaters, too.
That means someone in a boat is trying to kill you at any given moment
(as we established in an earlier thread). When one of these people
succeeds and your body's found floating a mile from your boat, how will
it be identified if you don't have your wallet in your pocket?


You live a miserable existence.


No, child. I'm a keen observer, and you are not. Learn to accept your fate.



Chuck Gould October 31st 07 11:52 PM

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On Oct 31, 4:16?pm, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:
What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was
boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo ID,
among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't always
been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I find the
law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both?


The USCG is regulated by the Department of Homeland Security. Federal.

Interesting that they asked for a photo ID. One of the reasons that
the USCG commandant suggested that a national boater ID would be
useful is a USCG contention that they are prohibited from asking for
ID.



Ernest Scribbler October 31st 07 11:57 PM

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote
someone in a boat is trying to kill you at any given moment (as we
established in an earlier thread). When one of these people succeeds and
your body's found floating a mile from your boat, how will it be
identified if you don't have your wallet in your pocket?


I figure they'll just look down and say, "Dang, looks like some poor old
feller that was murdered by a marauding fiend with a .02 BAC."

Doubt I'll much care at that point anyway, really.



Ernest Scribbler November 1st 07 12:14 AM

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"Chuck Gould" wrote
Interesting that they asked for a photo ID. One of the reasons that
the USCG commandant suggested that a national boater ID would be
useful is a USCG contention that they are prohibited from asking for
ID.


These fellows must not have read the memo. Maybe we have a local ID law? I
don't know what they would have said if I told them no, but I wasn't too
inclined to find out, considering they were four or five strappin' big boys
carrying sidearms in a fast-looking aluminum boat with a machine gun on the
front.



Bill Kearney November 1st 07 12:19 AM

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but I wasn't too
inclined to find out, considering they were four or five strappin' big

boys
carrying sidearms in a fast-looking aluminum boat with a machine gun on

the
front.


Sure, why grow a spine now?


[email protected] November 1st 07 12:21 AM

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On Oct 31, 8:14 pm, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote

Interesting that they asked for a photo ID. One of the reasons that
the USCG commandant suggested that a national boater ID would be
useful is a USCG contention that they are prohibited from asking for
ID.


These fellows must not have read the memo. Maybe we have a local ID law? I
don't know what they would have said if I told them no, but I wasn't too
inclined to find out, considering they were four or five strappin' big boys
carrying sidearms in a fast-looking aluminum boat with a machine gun on the
front.


Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID cuz I'll
tell em "I'm your boss, the taxpayer, go away". I thought this issue
was settled in a case in Wy where a guy sitting in a truck was asked
for his ID by a cop for no reason. He had not been driving, he was
just waiting for someone. He refused and was arrested. Court ruled
cops have no right to ask for ID for no reason.


Ernest Scribbler November 1st 07 12:36 AM

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wrote
Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID


I assumed they were looking for drunks. Couple of my passengers had a beer
in hand. I had a Vernor's ginger ale, myself. Maybe they saw four fifty
year-old men in a thirty year-old ski boat loafing along next to a large
power plant and suspected we might be working for al Qaeda. Come to think of
it, we all had beards.



Reginald P. Smithers III November 1st 07 01:03 AM

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Ernest Scribbler wrote:
What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was
boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo ID,
among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't always
been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I find the
law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both?


In Georgia you need the Certificate of Boat Registration on board and a
government ID card of some kind. normally people just use their Drivers
License.

Tim November 1st 07 03:59 AM

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On Oct 31, 7:36 pm, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:
wrote

Maybe they saw four fifty
year-old men in a thirty year-old ski boat loafing along next to a large
power plant and suspected we might be working for al Qaeda. Come to think of
it, we all had beards.


Without the beard and the power plant, that sounds like me!



Eisboch November 1st 07 04:54 AM

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Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID cuz I'll
tell em "I'm your boss, the taxpayer, go away". I thought this issue
was settled in a case in Wy where a guy sitting in a truck was asked
for his ID by a cop for no reason. He had not been driving, he was
just waiting for someone. He refused and was arrested. Court ruled
cops have no right to ask for ID for no reason.


I would love to hear the results of you saying that if you are stopped and
boarded by the USCG. I don't think the same rules apply.

Eisboch



thunder November 1st 07 11:02 AM

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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:21:32 -0700, ohara5.0 wrote:


Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID cuz I'll
tell em "I'm your boss, the taxpayer, go away". I thought this issue
was settled in a case in Wy where a guy sitting in a truck was asked for
his ID by a cop for no reason. He had not been driving, he was just
waiting for someone. He refused and was arrested. Court ruled cops
have no right to ask for ID for no reason.


Yeah, but. The standard is not probable cause, it's reasonable suspicion, and you *can* be
prosecuted if you don't identify yourself.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/24/do....id/index.html

[email protected] November 1st 07 12:36 PM

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On Nov 1, 7:02 am, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:21:32 -0700, ohara5.0 wrote:
Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID cuz I'll
tell em "I'm your boss, the taxpayer, go away". I thought this issue
was settled in a case in Wy where a guy sitting in a truck was asked for
his ID by a cop for no reason. He had not been driving, he was just
waiting for someone. He refused and was arrested. Court ruled cops
have no right to ask for ID for no reason.


Yeah, but. The standard is not probable cause, it's reasonable suspicion, and you *can* be
prosecuted if you don't identify yourself.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/24/do....id/index.html


As in the WY case, simply being on a boat does not constitute
"reasonable suspicion". If you were adjacent to a power plant or
something else that could reasonably be a target, maybe, however,
simply being aboard a boat in open water could not b interpreted that
way.


[email protected] November 1st 07 12:52 PM

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On Nov 1, 8:36 am, wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:02 am, thunder wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:21:32 -0700, ohara5.0 wrote:
Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID cuz I'll
tell em "I'm your boss, the taxpayer, go away". I thought this issue
was settled in a case in Wy where a guy sitting in a truck was asked for
his ID by a cop for no reason. He had not been driving, he was just
waiting for someone. He refused and was arrested. Court ruled cops
have no right to ask for ID for no reason.


Yeah, but. The standard is not probable cause, it's reasonable suspicion, and you *can* be
prosecuted if you don't identify yourself.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/24/do....id/index.html


As in the WY case, simply being on a boat does not constitute
"reasonable suspicion". If you were adjacent to a power plant or
something else that could reasonably be a target, maybe, however,
simply being aboard a boat in open water could not b interpreted that
way.


I did have something similar to this happen to me.
We were at a boat landing at a FL state park eating at a picnic
table. I came back from the water and found a ranger going through my
ice chest and I asked calmly what he was doing and he said he was
searching for alchohol to which I replied "No way" and slammed it shut
telling him he had no cause for doing so. He told me that he had
ticketed my friend at a nearby table for posession of alcohol in the
park. Neither of us had any alcohol but he had simply sat down at a
table on which there was an empty beer can. Consequently, he wanted
to search my ice chest. I told him that he needed a search warrant
and sat on the ice chest. We both got tickets for posession of
alcohol. Friend #3 who is a lawyer calmly sat watching the whole
episode and whn the rangers had left said "This will be fun". Next
month, we had to appear at the Wakulla County Courthouse in
Crawfordville, real redneck land. We all showed up as did the rangers
to our surprise. The lawyer told the judge what had happed and he
(the judge) was speechless with anger. He then gave the rangers a 15
minute rant on what they could legally do and what they couldnt do.


JoeSpareBedroom November 1st 07 01:06 PM

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wrote in message
oups.com...
On Nov 1, 8:36 am, wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:02 am, thunder wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:21:32 -0700, ohara5.0 wrote:
Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID cuz
I'll
tell em "I'm your boss, the taxpayer, go away". I thought this issue
was settled in a case in Wy where a guy sitting in a truck was asked
for
his ID by a cop for no reason. He had not been driving, he was just
waiting for someone. He refused and was arrested. Court ruled cops
have no right to ask for ID for no reason.


Yeah, but. The standard is not probable cause, it's reasonable
suspicion, and you *can* be
prosecuted if you don't identify yourself.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/24/do....id/index.html


As in the WY case, simply being on a boat does not constitute
"reasonable suspicion". If you were adjacent to a power plant or
something else that could reasonably be a target, maybe, however,
simply being aboard a boat in open water could not b interpreted that
way.


I did have something similar to this happen to me.
We were at a boat landing at a FL state park eating at a picnic
table. I came back from the water and found a ranger going through my
ice chest and I asked calmly what he was doing and he said he was
searching for alchohol to which I replied "No way" and slammed it shut
telling him he had no cause for doing so. He told me that he had
ticketed my friend at a nearby table for posession of alcohol in the
park. Neither of us had any alcohol but he had simply sat down at a
table on which there was an empty beer can. Consequently, he wanted
to search my ice chest. I told him that he needed a search warrant
and sat on the ice chest. We both got tickets for posession of
alcohol. Friend #3 who is a lawyer calmly sat watching the whole
episode and whn the rangers had left said "This will be fun". Next
month, we had to appear at the Wakulla County Courthouse in
Crawfordville, real redneck land. We all showed up as did the rangers
to our surprise. The lawyer told the judge what had happed and he
(the judge) was speechless with anger. He then gave the rangers a 15
minute rant on what they could legally do and what they couldnt do.


You got lucky. Here (NY), town justices do not have to have any legal
training. You could've ended up with yahoo whose main job was stacking
produce at the local IGA grocery store.



[email protected] November 1st 07 02:00 PM

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On Oct 31, 8:19 pm, "Bill Kearney" wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:
but I wasn't too
inclined to find out, considering they were four or five strappin' big

boys
carrying sidearms in a fast-looking aluminum boat with a machine gun on

the
front.


Sure, why grow a spine now?


Why pick a fight with someone doing his job?


Reginald P. Smithers III November 1st 07 03:04 PM

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wrote:
On Oct 31, 8:19 pm, "Bill Kearney" wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:
but I wasn't too
inclined to find out, considering they were four or five strappin' big

boys
carrying sidearms in a fast-looking aluminum boat with a machine gun on

the
front.

Sure, why grow a spine now?


Why pick a fight with someone doing his job?


I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I felt
like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact.

Chuck Gould November 1st 07 04:23 PM

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On Nov 1, 9:39?am, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:52:57 -0700, wrote:
I told him that he needed a search warrant
and sat on the ice chest.


Try that with a wildlife officer


I wouldn't be surprised to learn that when you apply for a hunting or
fishing license somewhere in that boilerplate is a statement
confirming that you will abide by all of the applicable laws in your
state. If one of the laws is that a wildlife officer will be permitted
to search creels, ice chests, fish boxes, refrigerators and other
likely areas to confirm compliance with those laws you have probably
given your consent to the search.


Chuck Gould November 1st 07 04:26 PM

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On Oct 31, 6:03?pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
Ernest Scribbler wrote:
What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was
boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo ID,
among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't always
been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I find the
law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both?


In Georgia you need the Certificate of Boat Registration on board and a
government ID card of some kind. normally people just use their Drivers
License.


What's the minimum age for operating a boat in GA, (is there one?) vs
the minimum age for driving a car?

What sort of government ID does a 14 year old kid, allowed to putt
around the harbor in the family dinghy with a 20-HP motor on it,
carry?

Could be a problem for boaters too young to drive, IMO.


Reginald P. Smithers III November 1st 07 06:19 PM

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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 31, 6:03?pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
Ernest Scribbler wrote:
What am I required to carry here on an inland waterway in the US? I was
boarded by the Coast Guard last year, and the guy wanted to see a photo ID,
among other things. I had my wallet with me that day (which hasn't always
been the case) so I showed him my driver's license. Where would I find the
law on this sort of thing? State? Federal? Both?

In Georgia you need the Certificate of Boat Registration on board and a
government ID card of some kind. normally people just use their Drivers
License.


What's the minimum age for operating a boat in GA, (is there one?) vs
the minimum age for driving a car?

What sort of government ID does a 14 year old kid, allowed to putt
around the harbor in the family dinghy with a 20-HP motor on it,
carry?

Could be a problem for boaters too young to drive, IMO.


They have to take a boater safety course, and they are given a ID card.


Reginald P. Smithers III November 1st 07 06:19 PM

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wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:26:31 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

What's the minimum age for operating a boat in GA, (is there one?) vs
the minimum age for driving a car?

What sort of government ID does a 14 year old kid, allowed to putt
around the harbor in the family dinghy with a 20-HP motor on it,
carry?

Could be a problem for boaters too young to drive, IMO.



There are lots of people who don't have a driver's license. My mother
didn't get one until she was in her 60s ... she still has it and she
ded in 2002.


I think all states have an ID card for those people who don't drive.

[email protected] November 1st 07 06:55 PM

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On Nov 1, 2:19 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:26:31 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:


What's the minimum age for operating a boat in GA, (is there one?) vs
the minimum age for driving a car?


What sort of government ID does a 14 year old kid, allowed to putt
around the harbor in the family dinghy with a 20-HP motor on it,
carry?


Could be a problem for boaters too young to drive, IMO.


There are lots of people who don't have a driver's license. My mother
didn't get one until she was in her 60s ... she still has it and she
ded in 2002.


I think all states have an ID card for those people who don't drive.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


In CT you have to be 16 to get the boating licence, and car licence.
My dad does not drive but has a CT photo id very similar in appearance
to our state drivers licence.


Wayne.B November 1st 07 07:35 PM

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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:04:14 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I felt
like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact.


Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts
before you hit that send bottom. Seriously.

Wayne.B November 1st 07 07:41 PM

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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 02:21:31 -0500, wrote:

That even becomes a dicier situaltion if they decided to look at your
passenger's ID. There is no reason in the world to require a passenger
to carry ID.


Yes but it happens all the time down our way when they suspect a boat
is involved in people smuggling. USCG recently impounded a go fast
boat in our part of the world with little or no probable cause, just
suspicion.

Ernest Scribbler November 1st 07 07:50 PM

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"John H." wrote
I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I
felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact.


Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts
before you hit that send bottom. Seriously.


(You're getting pretty picky!)


Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms...



JoeSpareBedroom November 1st 07 07:53 PM

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"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
...
"John H." wrote
I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I
felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact.

Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts
before you hit that send bottom. Seriously.


(You're getting pretty picky!)


Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms...


Or, perhaps he has a low transom.



Wayne.B November 1st 07 07:58 PM

Speaking of Boater ID
 
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:52:57 -0700, wrote:

Friend #3 who is a lawyer calmly sat watching the whole
episode and whn the rangers had left said "This will be fun". Next
month, we had to appear at the Wakulla County Courthouse in
Crawfordville, real redneck land. We all showed up as did the rangers
to our surprise. The lawyer told the judge what had happed and he
(the judge) was speechless with anger. He then gave the rangers a 15
minute rant on what they could legally do and what they couldnt do.


Good work, they were clearly out of line.

Wayne.B November 1st 07 08:02 PM

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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:23:21 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that when you apply for a hunting or
fishing license somewhere in that boilerplate is a statement
confirming that you will abide by all of the applicable laws in your
state. If one of the laws is that a wildlife officer will be permitted
to search creels, ice chests, fish boxes, refrigerators and other
likely areas to confirm compliance with those laws you have probably
given your consent to the search.


And if you have visible fishing equipment that would constitute
reasonable suspicion, otherwise not.

[email protected] November 1st 07 08:10 PM

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On Oct 31, 8:21 pm, wrote:
On Oct 31, 8:14 pm, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote


Interesting that they asked for a photo ID. One of the reasons that
the USCG commandant suggested that a national boater ID would be
useful is a USCG contention that they are prohibited from asking for
ID.


These fellows must not have read the memo. Maybe we have a local ID law? I
don't know what they would have said if I told them no, but I wasn't too
inclined to find out, considering they were four or five strappin' big boys
carrying sidearms in a fast-looking aluminum boat with a machine gun on the
front.


Unless they have probable cause they better not ask for my ID cuz I'll
tell em "I'm your boss, the taxpayer, go away". I thought this issue
was settled in a case in Wy where a guy sitting in a truck was asked
for his ID by a cop for no reason. He had not been driving, he was
just waiting for someone. He refused and was arrested. Court ruled
cops have no right to ask for ID for no reason.


The high courts have watered down probable cause laws until they are
almost non-existant, just like entrapment laws.


Short Wave Sportfishing November 1st 07 08:40 PM

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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:53:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
...
"John H." wrote
I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I
felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact.

Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts
before you hit that send bottom. Seriously.

(You're getting pretty picky!)


Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms...


Or, perhaps he has a low transom.


I'm telling you - that is never going to end.

Never. :)

John H. November 1st 07 08:48 PM

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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:35:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:04:14 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I felt
like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact.


Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts
before you hit that send bottom. Seriously.


Change 'agree' to 'argue' (one letter off) and see if that helps!

(You're getting pretty picky!)

Short Wave Sportfishing November 1st 07 08:49 PM

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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:58:25 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:19:44 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I think all states have an ID card for those people who don't drive.


But there is no law requiring you to get one. That is the basis for
the suits against "voter ID".


Here's what I don't understand about this whole voter ID thing.

Here in CT, a form of positive ID which essentially is a driver's
license is required. The ID has to show residency in the town or, in
matter of taxation, real estate in the town. No exceptions.

What's do hard about doing this at the Federal level?

John H. November 1st 07 08:56 PM

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On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:50:30 -0400, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:

"John H." wrote
I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I
felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact.

Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts
before you hit that send bottom. Seriously.


(You're getting pretty picky!)


Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms...


You need to proof read your post before you hit that button. You're liable
to **** someone off talking about the 'bottoms' they're pushing!

John H. November 1st 07 10:55 PM

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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:49:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:58:25 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:19:44 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I think all states have an ID card for those people who don't drive.


But there is no law requiring you to get one. That is the basis for
the suits against "voter ID".


Here's what I don't understand about this whole voter ID thing.

Here in CT, a form of positive ID which essentially is a driver's
license is required. The ID has to show residency in the town or, in
matter of taxation, real estate in the town. No exceptions.

What's do hard about doing this at the Federal level?


Tom, there's lots of folks in lots of places that want *no* ID requirement
for voters.

HK November 2nd 07 12:46 AM

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:53:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
...
"John H." wrote
I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I
felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact.
Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts
before you hit that send bottom. Seriously.
(You're getting pretty picky!)
Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms...

Or, perhaps he has a low transom.


I'm telling you - that is never going to end.

Never. :)



Saw a beautiful boat today parked in front of West Marine. It's owner
was in the store, shopping. It was a 2007 (I checked the transom)
Seacrat 23. Classic lines. Seen many of those around, Tom?

Short Wave Sportfishing November 2nd 07 12:55 AM

Speaking of Boater ID
 
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:46:51 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:53:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
...
"John H." wrote
I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I
felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact.
Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts
before you hit that send bottom. Seriously.
(You're getting pretty picky!)
Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms...

Or, perhaps he has a low transom.


I'm telling you - that is never going to end.

Never. :)


Saw a beautiful boat today parked in front of West Marine. It's owner
was in the store, shopping. It was a 2007 (I checked the transom)
Seacrat 23. Classic lines. Seen many of those around, Tom?


SeaCraft boats? Sure - Johnny Morris owns SeaCraft as part of the
Tracker Marine franchise.

Nice boats, but not what they used to be.

HK November 2nd 07 01:12 AM

Speaking of Boater ID
 
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:46:51 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:53:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
...
"John H." wrote
I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I
felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact.
Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts
before you hit that send bottom. Seriously.
(You're getting pretty picky!)
Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms...

Or, perhaps he has a low transom.
I'm telling you - that is never going to end.

Never. :)

Saw a beautiful boat today parked in front of West Marine. It's owner
was in the store, shopping. It was a 2007 (I checked the transom)
Seacrat 23. Classic lines. Seen many of those around, Tom?


SeaCraft boats? Sure - Johnny Morris owns SeaCraft as part of the
Tracker Marine franchise.

Nice boats, but not what they used to be.



Is anything, except of course, for Parker?


Short Wave Sportfishing November 2nd 07 01:21 AM

Speaking of Boater ID
 
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:12:02 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:46:51 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:53:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
...
"John H." wrote
I agree, I would never agree with the cop or USCG at the time, if I
felt like my rights were violated, I would handle it after the fact.
Reggie, you need to take a bit more time proof reading your posts
before you hit that send bottom. Seriously.
(You're getting pretty picky!)
Maybe he's just trying to push someone's bottoms...

Or, perhaps he has a low transom.
I'm telling you - that is never going to end.

Never. :)
Saw a beautiful boat today parked in front of West Marine. It's owner
was in the store, shopping. It was a 2007 (I checked the transom)
Seacrat 23. Classic lines. Seen many of those around, Tom?


SeaCraft boats? Sure - Johnny Morris owns SeaCraft as part of the
Tracker Marine franchise.

Nice boats, but not what they used to be.


Is anything, except of course, for Parker?


Bass Cat probably is another - still family owned and a very nice bass
boat. In fact, if I were in the market for another bass boat, Bass
Cat would be first on the list believe it or not - over Ranger to
boot.

http://www.basscat.com/

Gambler is another one that build one hell of a bass boat.

http://www.gamblerboats.com/

Blue Fin is a great one off boat builder in Bristol RI that make a
solid boat.

http://www.bluefinboats.com/

North Coast, Cape Horn, Steiger, Contender, Regulator - all solid
boats and still built in the same fashion as they were originally -
all quality boats, guality components and built with style.

Can't really say anything about Parkers as I don't honestly believe
that I've ever seen one in the areas I run.


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