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wrote:

Unix, Linux, (Apache).. Everything W2K does, only better IP
netoworking, and because it ain't MS, no one bothers writing viruses
for it. Unix machines have the ability with modules to run any MS type
language such as ASP (Active Server Pages). Also supporting many other
commercial lanuages and engines such as PHP, Miva, MySql, etc...

You do know that Mac OS X is a Unix system? Even a certified one, BTW.
http://arstechnica.com/journals/appl...-x-leopard-rec
eives-unix-03-certification

If you cannot avoid it, you can even run them under Windows (see
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html). Or run any Windows
or linux as a process under Mac OS X (see eg www.parallels.com)

As for PHP, MySQL etc see http://www.mamp.info/en/index.php
Add the following: Java, Maven, Ruby, Ruby on Rails, Python, Perl,
SQLite, ...
http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/ (see Key Technologies and
Development)
For the server version:
http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/specs.html

So according to your opinion: Everything W2K does, only better ;-)

Plus arguably the best user interface of Unix systems.
Plus the most widely deployed Unix system.
And way better on security than Windows, certainly out of the box.

I can assure you that if operating systems would be judged like boats,
Windows would not do all that well.

Serious work: How about this - The fastest Windows Vista notebook tested
this year is a Mac
(http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,13...s/article.html
)

One could go on and on - the only thing I would seriously recommend is
do a fair comparison, look at what you get, try the tools (live on a Mac
for eg 4 weeks) and only then make up your mind. You might be surprised
at what you get for your money when buying a Mac.

HTH

Marc

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HK wrote:

I keep trying Macs at the Apple stores. Just about everything I try to
do on a Mac seems to take more clicks than it does on a PC, plus there
seems to be much more in the way of "overlay" on Macs to keep users out
of the system.

I have seen that happen to me and others: If you are a user of one
system and try the other one, you end up doing things the old way, which
often is not the best one on the new system.
Usually it takes people some 2-3 weeks until they feel comfortable.
I have not yet seen anyone look back after 2-3 weeks.
http://www.apple.com/support/switch101/ can help.

I do like the way Macs look, though. But their bits and pieces are way
overpriced on the desktop machines.

When you do the comparison for equally equipped machines, this does not
hold true anymore.

Also eg: changing one of the 4 internal disks of a Mac Pro requires
exactly one lever, and 4 screws (provided!) for each of the disks, they
slide in and need no cables. Just solid engineering :-)

I would say that to a boater a Mac should look just right - it looks
nice and works well under all circumstances, like a dependeable boat.

HTH

Marc

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On Nov 1, 5:45 pm, HK wrote:
Marc Heusser wrote:

Do the comparison, have a look at the software and use it. If after that
you come to the conclusion that a PC under Windows is the better
solution, then by all means go that route. If not, you may find a better
way to do things with Mac OS X. You might be pleasently surprised.

I keep trying Macs at the Apple stores. Just about everything I try to
do on a Mac seems to take more clicks than it does on a PC,

Could that possibly an issue of familiarity? I'd presume you know all
the tricks and shortcuts on Windows, whereas with Mac OS, you don't?
It is my anecdotal observation that those ingrained within the Windows
way, often try to force a Mac to work just like Windows, and
inevitably walk away frustrated and disappointed. That proves nothing
other than Windows is better at being Windows than a Mac is.

plus there
seems to be much more in the way of "overlay" on Macs to keep users out
of the system.

As opposed to the Windows way which just invites you to f*ck it up?

I do like the way Macs look, though. But their bits and pieces are way
overpriced on the desktop machines.

Only if you assume bullet pointed spec sheets are the sole measure of
value. Spec for spec, quality for quality, bundle for bundle, Macs
can often compare quite favourably in my experience. Things usually
cost what they cost for a reason, even if it's not immediately obvious
why.

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On Oct 30, 11:30 pm, HK wrote:
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I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of
commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business
applications and/or networking on MAC. A couple of our clients use
them on their end but they are mostly single users/very small business/
single location. And as for running Bootcamp to run your home apps
and such, I guess it's like eating Bluefish. It' good
"IF"...!!! If you have to say "if" or "can" well, you get it I
think Just easier to use the PC in my opinion. My point of view is
from the perspective of a small IHP... Unix, Linux, Apache. Home
systems are XP and I run Vista just to stay informed for customer
support reasons. Our backups are also Linux boxes.

Oh yeah, we run mods that allow us to handle ASP in case anybody is
foolish.. oh, oh... I better stop now

If you are running PC apps under an Apple Microsoft OS emulator, you are
taking a performance hit, period.

If by "Apple Microsoft OS emulator" you mean Bootcamp, that's not what
it is. Bootcamp is basically an idiot proofed hard disk partitioner.
Installing and running Windows on this second partition is not
emulating it. It's running it natively, just as it would on any PC.
There is no performance hit.

Only when running Windows in a virtual environment (e.g. Parallels or
Fusion) would there be some performance hit, so that method is really
not that practical for things like games. For that, you'd use the
Bootcamp created Windows partition. Luckily, you can do either.

It's really very cool to be able to run any OS X app, any Windows app,
and any Linux app, all on one PC, all at the same time! Geek
nirvana!

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Marc Heusser wrote:
In article ,
HK wrote:

I keep trying Macs at the Apple stores. Just about everything I try to
do on a Mac seems to take more clicks than it does on a PC, plus there
seems to be much more in the way of "overlay" on Macs to keep users out
of the system.

I have seen that happen to me and others: If you are a user of one
system and try the other one, you end up doing things the old way, which
often is not the best one on the new system.
Usually it takes people some 2-3 weeks until they feel comfortable.
I have not yet seen anyone look back after 2-3 weeks.
http://www.apple.com/support/switch101/ can help.

I do like the way Macs look, though. But their bits and pieces are way
overpriced on the desktop machines.

When you do the comparison for equally equipped machines, this does not
hold true anymore.

Also eg: changing one of the 4 internal disks of a Mac Pro requires
exactly one lever, and 4 screws (provided!) for each of the disks, they
slide in and need no cables. Just solid engineering :-)

I would say that to a boater a Mac should look just right - it looks
nice and works well under all circumstances, like a dependeable boat.

HTH

Marc



One of my clients provided a Mac for me to use in a vacant office when I
have to do some last-minute editing on site. I messed with the damned
thing for a month, and then just brought in my spare laptop and plopped
it down there.

Marc Heusser wrote:
In article ,
Wayne.B wrote:

I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of
commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business
applications and/or networking on MAC.

Probably more than half of the high traffic websites run their Apache as
their webserver. And use ipfw as their firewall.
You get both on every single Mac OS X installation, for free.
Mac Servers are cheaper than Dell's.
Mac Servers are most likely the easiest to administer Unix servers.

Macs have been turned into UNIX systems running a form of BSD.

No wonder, Apple has increased its market share.
Just because everyone does it, does not necessarily mean it is a better
solution.

Because they got rid of that bomb of an OS called MacOS.

Do the comparison, have a look at the software and use it. If after that
you come to the conclusion that a PC under Windows is the better
solution, then by all means go that route. If not, you may find a better
way to do things with Mac OS X. You might be pleasently surprised.

How about comparing a PC runnings Linux vs. a Mac running "MacOS".

HTH

Marc

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:04:22 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

5 years for her. As could not get all the classes she needed. One
advantage of a private univ.

That's become a common problem from what I'm hearing.

$100K is nothing to sneeze at but you actually got a pretty good deal
in my opinion. Our two were closer to $250 and that included some
scholarship assistance but not a lot. They're both doing well
however, out of the house, married, and well on their way to
successful careers so I guess we got our money's worth.

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:27:44 +0100, Marc Heusser
d wrote:

I would say that to a boater a Mac should look just right - it looks
nice and works well under all circumstances, like a dependeable boat.

Only if you run Windows on it. Most of the navigation apps do not run
under Mac operating systems.

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:27:28 -0000,
wrote:

PC Windows.- General personal and small business use. Finance, web,
Office type apps, general MP? and photo work, for the non-
professional. Light office networking and IP netwoking (web based
networking).

PC Windows? No such operating system. Most non-professional users
are on WinXP these days.

In article ,
Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:27:44 +0100, Marc Heusser
d wrote:

I would say that to a boater a Mac should look just right - it looks
nice and works well under all circumstances, like a dependeable boat.

Only if you run Windows on it. Most of the navigation apps do not run
under Mac operating systems.

You will find navigation applications for the Mac as well.
I'd rather not have my radar running Windows, sorry.

Marc

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