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On Oct 30, 2:09 pm, Marc Heusser
d wrote:
In article ,
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote:

Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side?
I have used both Windows and Macs for many years.
If I have to buy a computer from my money, it is going to be a Mac.
Nowadays you can even run Windows on them, if you must: Bootcamp,
Parallels and others make it possible.
The laptops outperform typical PC's anyway, even when running Windows
(natively).http://www.apple.com/getamac/windows.html
Of those I have seen switching to a Mac, it took them usually some two
weeks to learn the new habits, but none of them ever looked back.

Marc

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I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of
commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business
applications and/or networking on MAC. A couple of our clients use
them on their end but they are mostly single users/very small business/
single location. And as for running Bootcamp to run your home apps
and such, I guess it's like eating Bluefish. It' good
"IF"...!!! If you have to say "if" or "can" well, you get it I
think Just easier to use the PC in my opinion. My point of view is
from the perspective of a small IHP... Unix, Linux, Apache. Home
systems are XP and I run Vista just to stay informed for customer
support reasons. Our backups are also Linux boxes.

Oh yeah, we run mods that allow us to handle ASP in case anybody is
foolish.. oh, oh... I better stop now



If you are running PC apps under an Apple Microsoft OS emulator, you are
taking a performance hit, period.

On Oct 30, 11:30 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of
commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business
applications and/or networking on MAC. A couple of our clients use
them on their end but they are mostly single users/very small business/
single location. And as for running Bootcamp to run your home apps
and such, I guess it's like eating Bluefish. It' good
"IF"...!!! If you have to say "if" or "can" well, you get it I
think Just easier to use the PC in my opinion. My point of view is
from the perspective of a small IHP... Unix, Linux, Apache. Home
systems are XP and I run Vista just to stay informed for customer
support reasons. Our backups are also Linux boxes.

Oh yeah, we run mods that allow us to handle ASP in case anybody is
foolish.. oh, oh... I better stop now

If you are running PC apps under an Apple Microsoft OS emulator, you are
taking a performance hit, period.

If by "Apple Microsoft OS emulator" you mean Bootcamp, that's not what
it is. Bootcamp is basically an idiot proofed hard disk partitioner.
Installing and running Windows on this second partition is not
emulating it. It's running it natively, just as it would on any PC.
There is no performance hit.

Only when running Windows in a virtual environment (e.g. Parallels or
Fusion) would there be some performance hit, so that method is really
not that practical for things like games. For that, you'd use the
Bootcamp created Windows partition. Luckily, you can do either.

It's really very cool to be able to run any OS X app, any Windows app,
and any Linux app, all on one PC, all at the same time! Geek
nirvana!

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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:24:43 -0000,
wrote:

I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of
commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business
applications and/or networking on MAC.

Not in the graphic arts business. My brother-in-law runs a small ad
agency and he says they have to run Macs just to be compatible with
everyone they do business with.

In article ,
Wayne.B wrote:

I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of
commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business
applications and/or networking on MAC.

Probably more than half of the high traffic websites run their Apache as
their webserver. And use ipfw as their firewall.
You get both on every single Mac OS X installation, for free.
Mac Servers are cheaper than Dell's.
Mac Servers are most likely the easiest to administer Unix servers.

No wonder, Apple has increased its market share.
Just because everyone does it, does not necessarily mean it is a better
solution.

Do the comparison, have a look at the software and use it. If after that
you come to the conclusion that a PC under Windows is the better
solution, then by all means go that route. If not, you may find a better
way to do things with Mac OS X. You might be pleasently surprised.

HTH

Marc

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Marc Heusser wrote:
In article ,
Wayne.B wrote:

I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of
commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business
applications and/or networking on MAC.

Probably more than half of the high traffic websites run their Apache as
their webserver. And use ipfw as their firewall.
You get both on every single Mac OS X installation, for free.
Mac Servers are cheaper than Dell's.
Mac Servers are most likely the easiest to administer Unix servers.

No wonder, Apple has increased its market share.
Just because everyone does it, does not necessarily mean it is a better
solution.

Do the comparison, have a look at the software and use it. If after that
you come to the conclusion that a PC under Windows is the better
solution, then by all means go that route. If not, you may find a better
way to do things with Mac OS X. You might be pleasently surprised.

HTH

Marc



I keep trying Macs at the Apple stores. Just about everything I try to
do on a Mac seems to take more clicks than it does on a PC, plus there
seems to be much more in the way of "overlay" on Macs to keep users out
of the system.

I do like the way Macs look, though. But their bits and pieces are way
overpriced on the desktop machines.

On Nov 1, 1:24 pm, Marc Heusser
d wrote:
In article ,

Wayne.B wrote:
I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of
commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business
applications and/or networking on MAC.

Probably more than half of the high traffic websites run their Apache as
their webserver. And use ipfw as their firewall.
You get both on every single Mac OS X installation, for free.
Mac Servers are cheaper than Dell's.
Mac Servers are most likely the easiest to administer Unix servers.

No wonder, Apple has increased its market share.
Just because everyone does it, does not necessarily mean it is a better
solution.

Do the comparison, have a look at the software and use it. If after that
you come to the conclusion that a PC under Windows is the better
solution, then by all means go that route. If not, you may find a better
way to do things with Mac OS X. You might be pleasently surprised.

HTH

Marc

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I agree to some extent. I can't remember which thread(s) I noted it
in, but we do run Apache... on a blade system.

Marc Heusser wrote:
In article ,
Wayne.B wrote:

I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of
commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business
applications and/or networking on MAC.

Probably more than half of the high traffic websites run their Apache as
their webserver. And use ipfw as their firewall.
You get both on every single Mac OS X installation, for free.
Mac Servers are cheaper than Dell's.
Mac Servers are most likely the easiest to administer Unix servers.

Macs have been turned into UNIX systems running a form of BSD.

No wonder, Apple has increased its market share.
Just because everyone does it, does not necessarily mean it is a better
solution.

Because they got rid of that bomb of an OS called MacOS.

Do the comparison, have a look at the software and use it. If after that
you come to the conclusion that a PC under Windows is the better
solution, then by all means go that route. If not, you may find a better
way to do things with Mac OS X. You might be pleasently surprised.

How about comparing a PC runnings Linux vs. a Mac running "MacOS".

HTH

Marc

On Oct 31, 10:55 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:24:43 -0000,
wrote:

I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of
commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business
applications and/or networking on MAC.

Not in the graphic arts business. My brother-in-law runs a small ad
agency and he says they have to run Macs just to be compatible with
everyone they do business with.

I agree totally, that's what MAC shines at for sure. My kid was into
graphic design and used MAC for business and school. Still does, with
a PC OS installed too.. But again, that and some music mixers, and a
few others, not a lot in the contect of "commerce" though. Like I
said, each of these tools can be used for many things, but each has
it's area where it shines.

Here is a quick breakdown, my opinion only of each.

MAC- Professional and commercial Graphic arts, education, music,
virtual creativity.

PC Windows.- General personal and small business use. Finance, web,
Office type apps, general MP? and photo work, for the non-
professional. Light office networking and IP netwoking (web based
networking).

Windows 2000_Professional commerce, financial applications, dedicated
business network, security, bank communications, credit card gateways,
shopping cart and order processing, schedualing, live network
communications and dynamic web based databases, lists... etc...

Unix, Linux, (Apache).. Everything W2K does, only better IP
netoworking, and because it ain't MS, no one bothers writing viruses
for it. Unix machines have the ability with modules to run any MS type
language such as ASP (Active Server Pages). Also supporting many other
commercial lanuages and engines such as PHP, Miva, MySql, etc...

Again, these are very general observations, exceptions may even be the
rule, but I'm just sayin'

In article . com,
wrote:

Unix, Linux, (Apache).. Everything W2K does, only better IP
netoworking, and because it ain't MS, no one bothers writing viruses
for it. Unix machines have the ability with modules to run any MS type
language such as ASP (Active Server Pages). Also supporting many other
commercial lanuages and engines such as PHP, Miva, MySql, etc...

You do know that Mac OS X is a Unix system? Even a certified one, BTW.
http://arstechnica.com/journals/appl...-x-leopard-rec
eives-unix-03-certification

If you cannot avoid it, you can even run them under Windows (see
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html). Or run any Windows
or linux as a process under Mac OS X (see eg www.parallels.com)

As for PHP, MySQL etc see http://www.mamp.info/en/index.php
Add the following: Java, Maven, Ruby, Ruby on Rails, Python, Perl,
SQLite, ...
http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/ (see Key Technologies and
Development)
For the server version:
http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/specs.html

So according to your opinion: Everything W2K does, only better ;-)

Plus arguably the best user interface of Unix systems.
Plus the most widely deployed Unix system.
And way better on security than Windows, certainly out of the box.

I can assure you that if operating systems would be judged like boats,
Windows would not do all that well.

Serious work: How about this - The fastest Windows Vista notebook tested
this year is a Mac
(http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,13...s/article.html
)

One could go on and on - the only thing I would seriously recommend is
do a fair comparison, look at what you get, try the tools (live on a Mac
for eg 4 weeks) and only then make up your mind. You might be surprised
at what you get for your money when buying a Mac.

HTH

Marc

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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:27:28 -0000,
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PC Windows.- General personal and small business use. Finance, web,
Office type apps, general MP? and photo work, for the non-
professional. Light office networking and IP netwoking (web based
networking).

PC Windows? No such operating system. Most non-professional users
are on WinXP these days.