The Death of RBP
 

On Nov 5, 10:34 am, Oci-One Kanubi wrote:
On Nov 5, 11:05 am, John Kuthe wrote:



On Nov 5, 3:00 am, wrote:

most people don't like to read things they don't agree with,
so they prefer moderated sites instead of usenet.

Dirk

I disagree!! Well, maybe it's true since you said "most people". I'm
definitely NOT most people! One of my fellow nursing students asked me
the other day "What's your role in society?" (an assessment thing we
have to do on.for patients), and I told her, "I'm the weirdo. Every
society needs it's weirdos to help them define the societal norms, and
whatever society I find myself in, I'm always the weirdo."

Weird how that works, yano? ;-)

John Kuthe...

Or, as I am wont to put it: "irritating as they are, we really need
the extremists to help the rest of us define the middle ground."

Oops. Did I just say Kuthe is irritating?

You would not be the first to say that! Hee hee! :-)

John Kuthe...

The Death of RBP
 

krueger wrote:

A group of us open boaters were on the Klamath 4th July week, and normally
we see rafters and kayakers, but rarely canoeist. Curly Jack CG, Sarah
Totten CG are full, commercial rafters at Trees of Heaven, Happy Camp,
Curley Jack, and Ferry Point put-ins. This year we saw one youth group of 3
rafts, and one guided raft on the Happy Camp run, and one group at Trees of
Heaven, and the camp grounds were basicly empty... Unheard of! To our
surprise though, the surf wave at School House is now considered a "park 'n
play" spot, and was occupied with lots of kayakers.

We were on the Forks o' Payette over July 4th, and it was interesting
that some runs on the river were virtually devoid of people, whereas
others such as Staircase, the Main Payette, and Cabarton were swarming.
However the best runs we did IMO-- the Gorge where Walt Blackadar died,
the South Fork Boise (not technically a fork o' Payette) and the
upper South Fork near Lowman-- had no other boaters on the river!

We still enjoyed having the river to ourselves, but it was almost too quiet!

It's nice having solitude, though!
The park'n'play aspect of recent kayaking has reduced river touring use,
and perhaps the emphasis on Xtreme kayaking has caused moderate people
to lose interest in the sport.

Added note: Rattle Snake and The Trench have seen some changes from our
last visit 2 years ago.

Can you describe how they changed?

The Death of RBP
 

riverman wrote:

Dirk wrote:

most people don't like to read things they don't agree with,
so they prefer moderated sites instead of usenet.

I disagree with that, so I won't read it.

LOL.

Dirk has a point, though. I stopped reading the financial rags
(WSJ, IBD) when they were so negative about President Clinton.
Now I hardly follow the mainstream media because they seem to think
Dubya is a good president.

Michael Moore believes this influx of subjective opinion into news
is the main reason for the demise of print journalism, but I think
it's more so the Web.

Most folks can now find a news-oriented blog to match their opinions,
which relieves them of the burden of thinking.

Recently the "subprime mortgage crisis" has served as cover for
the real problem, which is US deficit spending for the Iraq war,
and the high price of gasoline, which is probably related somehow.
Too bad my brain still functions: it's a lonely world out here.

The Death of RBP
 

There was 1200 CFS out of Iron Gate, and my observations are from an open
boater. Rattlesnake: the gravel/rock bar on river left has been eroded, so
the river is wider through here now. In the past, the conservative run has
been down the left hugging the bank. This year it was more technical and
shallower. The entrance, also, it seemed to have changed, and we had to
enter for center, and that either bump over a row of rocks about a third of
the way down or skirt them on the right and then work river left hard, From
a canoeists perspective, the holes and the ledge on river right looked much
larger along with larger diagonal waves. These looked like they could
potentially dump you into the hole behind the large rock.

Trench: you could say this whole section has changed. False Trench is much
mellow then in years past.. River scouting Trench, you would not have
guessed the route, as in the past the typical way was far river left. We
did scout, and discovered that the far left route put you right into a nasty
rooster tail rock. For the open boats, the route seemed to be right of
center of what looked like very aerated water, but was actually quite solid.

Thinking back, the other big change was at the takeout at Wingate. The
gravel ramp there now ends in a rather decent sized eddy. This is rather a
rough description, but after all your asking for ancient memories! I could
only find one picture of Rattlesnake to jog it, but it was taken from the
pullout up on the bluff.



We boated the Cabarton back in 2000, before my wrist problems started, and
it was exhilarating. I think we were at our limits, but wow!



Carol



"Bill Tuthill" wrote in message
...
krueger wrote:

A group of us open boaters were on the Klamath 4th July week, and
normally
we see rafters and kayakers, but rarely canoeist. Curly Jack CG, Sarah
Totten CG are full, commercial rafters at Trees of Heaven, Happy Camp,
Curley Jack, and Ferry Point put-ins. This year we saw one youth group
of 3
rafts, and one guided raft on the Happy Camp run, and one group at Trees
of
Heaven, and the camp grounds were basicly empty... Unheard of! To our
surprise though, the surf wave at School House is now considered a "park
'n
play" spot, and was occupied with lots of kayakers.

We were on the Forks o' Payette over July 4th, and it was interesting
that some runs on the river were virtually devoid of people, whereas
others such as Staircase, the Main Payette, and Cabarton were swarming.
However the best runs we did IMO-- the Gorge where Walt Blackadar died,
the South Fork Boise (not technically a fork o' Payette) and the
upper South Fork near Lowman-- had no other boaters on the river!

We still enjoyed having the river to ourselves, but it was almost too
quiet!

It's nice having solitude, though!
The park'n'play aspect of recent kayaking has reduced river touring use,
and perhaps the emphasis on Xtreme kayaking has caused moderate people
to lose interest in the sport.

Added note: Rattle Snake and The Trench have seen some changes from our
last visit 2 years ago.

Can you describe how they changed?

The Death of RBP
 

On Oct 31, 1:53 pm, Bill Tuthill wrote:
John Kuthe wrote:

I think one major reason RBP has lost favor in the past 10-15 years is
the advent and tremendous popularity of the WWW. Not naming any
websites in particular, but people love websites, because they offer a
much richer mix of media than simple ASCII text, which Usenet is
limited to. Plain and simple.

Agreed.

It's almost a wonder Usenet still exists! I mean, horses and buggy's
barely exist anymore, and such is the way with yesteryear's
technologies, of which Usenet is these days, yano?

If properly used (which generally it is not) Usenet can still function
as the populist Consumer Reports of the 'net. Consumer Reports may be
non-profit and all that, but sometimes one wonders why they make the
particular buying decisions that they do. Most other product comparison
magazines or websites are heavily biased by advertising.

Whereas if you know that a particular Usenet poster is reliable, you can
trust their recommendations, modulo forgeries.

The major media conglomerates probably don't want Usenet to continue.
AOL, a division of Time-Warner, was the first to kill Usenet service
for their subscribers. It's terrible when citizens talk among themselves,
rather than listening to propaganda on TV.

Time Magazine: Floating your own Boat

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surge in the popularity of kayaking. Highlighting the trend away from
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The article appeared in the US and Canadian editions of the November
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