Columbus Day
 

On Oct 12, 6:18 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 12, 9:51?am, wrote:





On Oct 12, 12:33 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

On Oct 12, 9:37?am, John H. wrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:08:04 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
On Oct 12, 7:55?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:40:18 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
Columbus can be hailed as an accomplished navigator and courageous
explorer, but in my opinion his less noble and more ambitious
motivations make him a much more human and far more interesting
character.

And Plymouth Rock has been moved at least three times that they know
of and there's plenty of evidence that the rock never was involved in
the Pilgrims landing.

I can't imagine anybody landing a dinghy on a big rock. It would make
more sense to row onto a beach or into a mudbank where one could make
a soft landing, rather than risk holing a boat on a rock. As any
mariner knows, when you see a rock sticking up above the surface, more
than likely there are some little cousins lurking around immediately
below. When I take a dingy ashore, I try to stay away from the rocks
and look for a flat area with sand, small gravel, or mud.

Now if "Plymouth Rock" were just a small flat stone that offered some
dry and stable footing in a soft or muddy environment that is a bit
more logical.

I've never visited Plymouth Rock, but the stereotypical illustration
shows
2-3 pilgrims standing on a shoreside boulder. Why the heck would
anybody bother to climb up onto a boulder? :-)

People behaved in the early 1600's pretty much the same way they
behave today. We are little different, if different at all. Only our
technology and culture are changed, human nature remains pretty
stable.

To what do you tie your dingy when you land on a beach? Would a nice rock
not be appropriate?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Depending how long we will be ashore, we begin by carrying the dinghy
up beyond the high tide line. That can be a ways, with our 13-15 foot
typical tidal cycle hereabouts.

Up at the top of the high tide line we nearly always have a pile of
driftwood. Logs and such that have been tossed up onto the beach by
the previous winter's storms. They aren't going anywhere for a while-
probably not until the next major storm, so they make a good place to
tie the painter.

Tieing to many rocks could be less practical. The mooring line might
work its way up and over any rock that was tapered toward the top, or
slip down and pull out below a lot of rocks tapered toward the bottom.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And your stick could break, and your knot could come out, or a meteor
could sever the rope... Do you warm up before you stretch?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What's with you today?

JohnH asked how I tie my dinghy. I told him. Why be so nasty? Nobody
is chasing you around with crappy personal comments, so consider
returning the favor.

By the way, "stick"? You're obviously unfamiliar with our drift piles
in the NW. We're talking a continuous run of logs that weigh multiple
tons apiece.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Guess I'm still miffed at the Rush thing. I don't beleive you are
stupid enough (or stupid at all for that matter) to beleive the made
up stories by a group that Hillary has admitted having connections to.
So if you don't beleive it, and still say it, say it ain't so Chuck,
say it ain't so...

Columbus Day
 

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:47:53 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .

The dingy used by the pilgrims was undoubtedly bigger and heavier than
yours. They used really thick fiberglass in those days!


Contrary to popular belief, the Pilgrims did not initially land at Plymouth.
(Anyone who is familiar with Plymouth Harbor and the entrance can understand
why).

The official story is that the Mayflower first arrived and anchored off of
Provincetown on the tip of the Cape. A crew was then sent off on the
ship's jonboat with orders to find a safe harbor. The crew rowed across
Cape Cod Bay to Plymouth, (a distance of over 20 miles), found Plymouth,
briefly stepped upon "the Rock", then rowed back to report their findings.

Me? I just use my GPS.

Eisboch



The batteries ran down in their handhelds.

Columbus Day
 

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:08:04 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

2-3 pilgrims standing on a shoreside boulder. Why the heck would
anybody bother to climb up onto a boulder? :-)

To get their picture taken?

:-)

Columbus Day
 

On Oct 12, 4:26?pm, wrote:
On Oct 12, 6:18 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:





On Oct 12, 9:51?am, wrote:

On Oct 12, 12:33 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

On Oct 12, 9:37?am, John H. wrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:08:04 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
On Oct 12, 7:55?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:40:18 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
Columbus can be hailed as an accomplished navigator and courageous
explorer, but in my opinion his less noble and more ambitious
motivations make him a much more human and far more interesting
character.

And Plymouth Rock has been moved at least three times that they know
of and there's plenty of evidence that the rock never was involved in
the Pilgrims landing.

I can't imagine anybody landing a dinghy on a big rock. It would make
more sense to row onto a beach or into a mudbank where one could make
a soft landing, rather than risk holing a boat on a rock. As any
mariner knows, when you see a rock sticking up above the surface, more
than likely there are some little cousins lurking around immediately
below. When I take a dingy ashore, I try to stay away from the rocks
and look for a flat area with sand, small gravel, or mud.

Now if "Plymouth Rock" were just a small flat stone that offered some
dry and stable footing in a soft or muddy environment that is a bit
more logical.

I've never visited Plymouth Rock, but the stereotypical illustration
shows
2-3 pilgrims standing on a shoreside boulder. Why the heck would
anybody bother to climb up onto a boulder? :-)

People behaved in the early 1600's pretty much the same way they
behave today. We are little different, if different at all. Only our
technology and culture are changed, human nature remains pretty
stable.

To what do you tie your dingy when you land on a beach? Would a nice rock
not be appropriate?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Depending how long we will be ashore, we begin by carrying the dinghy
up beyond the high tide line. That can be a ways, with our 13-15 foot
typical tidal cycle hereabouts.

Up at the top of the high tide line we nearly always have a pile of
driftwood. Logs and such that have been tossed up onto the beach by
the previous winter's storms. They aren't going anywhere for a while-
probably not until the next major storm, so they make a good place to
tie the painter.

Tieing to many rocks could be less practical. The mooring line might
work its way up and over any rock that was tapered toward the top, or
slip down and pull out below a lot of rocks tapered toward the bottom.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And your stick could break, and your knot could come out, or a meteor
could sever the rope... Do you warm up before you stretch?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What's with you today?

JohnH asked how I tie my dinghy. I told him. Why be so nasty? Nobody
is chasing you around with crappy personal comments, so consider
returning the favor.

By the way, "stick"? You're obviously unfamiliar with our drift piles
in the NW. We're talking a continuous run of logs that weigh multiple
tons apiece.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Guess I'm still miffed at the Rush thing. I don't beleive you are
stupid enough (or stupid at all for that matter) to beleive the made
up stories by a group that Hillary has admitted having connections to.
So if you don't beleive it, and still say it, say it ain't so Chuck,
say it ain't so...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"Miffed at the Rush thing?"

Oh my.

Being miffed at me because I have a negative opinion of Rush Limbaugh
would make no more sense than me being miffed at you because you have
a negative opinion of folks you deem "too liberal".
Being miffed from either side makes no sense. This is supposed to be a
boating NG. Besides, spite or anger is an emotional reaction and if
you are reacting emotionally many people will naturally conclude it is
because your basic premise can't be supported with logic. The same
litmus test applies in all other discussions just about the same way
it does in the NG- the side resorting to personal remarks, name
calling, stereotyping, etc is the side most afraid that its points
will not withstand calm and reasoned scrutiny. Sometimes its one side,
sometimes its the other, but its always easy to tell who's full of
schidt at any given moment by the nature and tone of their argument.

You will notice that I make a serious effort not come after you on a
personal basis when you're discussing boating. I endeavor to avoid
blasting you with some snarky or bitchy attitude based on a real or
perceived difference of opinion in some field unrelated to the nominal
topic of this group. Should I fail to live up to that standard and
begin harrassing you, please call my attention to the fact. My
political opinions don't belong in a boating NG, and when in a weak
moment one sneaks into the fray I'd like to believe that it wouldn't
require punctuation with name calling or crappy personal remarks to
resonate.

So thanks in advance for helping me strive to adhere to an
intellectual rather than emotional tone in discussions- please let me
know whenever I'm guilty of interjecting a smart ass remark into one
of your boating discussions, etc.

(The heaviest thing any man can carry is a grudge).

Columbus Day
 

On Oct 13, 1:44 am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 12, 4:26?pm, wrote:





On Oct 12, 6:18 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

On Oct 12, 9:51?am, wrote:

On Oct 12, 12:33 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

On Oct 12, 9:37?am, John H. wrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:08:04 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
On Oct 12, 7:55?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:40:18 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
Columbus can be hailed as an accomplished navigator and courageous
explorer, but in my opinion his less noble and more ambitious
motivations make him a much more human and far more interesting
character.

And Plymouth Rock has been moved at least three times that they know
of and there's plenty of evidence that the rock never was involved in
the Pilgrims landing.

I can't imagine anybody landing a dinghy on a big rock. It would make
more sense to row onto a beach or into a mudbank where one could make
a soft landing, rather than risk holing a boat on a rock. As any
mariner knows, when you see a rock sticking up above the surface, more
than likely there are some little cousins lurking around immediately
below. When I take a dingy ashore, I try to stay away from the rocks
and look for a flat area with sand, small gravel, or mud.

Now if "Plymouth Rock" were just a small flat stone that offered some
dry and stable footing in a soft or muddy environment that is a bit
more logical.

I've never visited Plymouth Rock, but the stereotypical illustration
shows
2-3 pilgrims standing on a shoreside boulder. Why the heck would
anybody bother to climb up onto a boulder? :-)

People behaved in the early 1600's pretty much the same way they
behave today. We are little different, if different at all. Only our
technology and culture are changed, human nature remains pretty
stable.

To what do you tie your dingy when you land on a beach? Would a nice rock
not be appropriate?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Depending how long we will be ashore, we begin by carrying the dinghy
up beyond the high tide line. That can be a ways, with our 13-15 foot
typical tidal cycle hereabouts.

Up at the top of the high tide line we nearly always have a pile of
driftwood. Logs and such that have been tossed up onto the beach by
the previous winter's storms. They aren't going anywhere for a while-
probably not until the next major storm, so they make a good place to
tie the painter.

Tieing to many rocks could be less practical. The mooring line might
work its way up and over any rock that was tapered toward the top, or
slip down and pull out below a lot of rocks tapered toward the bottom.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And your stick could break, and your knot could come out, or a meteor
could sever the rope... Do you warm up before you stretch?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What's with you today?

JohnH asked how I tie my dinghy. I told him. Why be so nasty? Nobody
is chasing you around with crappy personal comments, so consider
returning the favor.

By the way, "stick"? You're obviously unfamiliar with our drift piles
in the NW. We're talking a continuous run of logs that weigh multiple
tons apiece.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Guess I'm still miffed at the Rush thing. I don't beleive you are
stupid enough (or stupid at all for that matter) to beleive the made
up stories by a group that Hillary has admitted having connections to.
So if you don't beleive it, and still say it, say it ain't so Chuck,
say it ain't so...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"Miffed at the Rush thing?"

Oh my.

Being miffed at me because I have a negative opinion of Rush Limbaugh
would make no more sense than me being miffed at you because you have
a negative opinion of folks you deem "too liberal".
Being miffed from either side makes no sense. This is supposed to be a
boating NG. Besides, spite or anger is an emotional reaction and if
you are reacting emotionally many people will naturally conclude it is
because your basic premise can't be supported with logic. The same
litmus test applies in all other discussions just about the same way
it does in the NG- the side resorting to personal remarks, name
calling, stereotyping, etc is the side most afraid that its points
will not withstand calm and reasoned scrutiny. Sometimes its one side,
sometimes its the other, but its always easy to tell who's full of
schidt at any given moment by the nature and tone of their argument.

You will notice that I make a serious effort not come after you on a
personal basis when you're discussing boating. I endeavor to avoid
blasting you with some snarky or bitchy attitude based on a real or
perceived difference of opinion in some field unrelated to the nominal
topic of this group. Should I fail to live up to that standard and
begin harrassing you, please call my attention to the fact. My
political opinions don't belong in a boating NG, and when in a weak
moment one sneaks into the fray I'd like to believe that it wouldn't
require punctuation with name calling or crappy personal remarks to
resonate.

So thanks in advance for helping me strive to adhere to an
intellectual rather than emotional tone in discussions- please let me
know whenever I'm guilty of interjecting a smart ass remark into one
of your boating discussions, etc.

(The heaviest thing any man can carry is a grudge).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Of course the whole premise of your rant here is disingenuous.... You
asked me a question, I answered.. But you did not read or understand
my answer. I was not miffed because you "have a negative opinons of
Rush Limbaugh". I am miffed because I think that because you have a
bad opinion of him, you were dishonest and ran with obvious lies about
him.. The rest is just your whining over my answer..... Later Chuck
Should I add a few more paragraphs, no, I think I have been pretty
clear already...