Columbus Day
 

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Columbus can be hailed as an accomplished navigator and
courageous
explorer, but in my opinion his less noble and more ambitious
motivations make him a much more human and far more interesting
character.

Oh Geeze.... I knew if I went directly to the bottom of the post
I
would find the "but"... I was not dissappointed...

So what if Chuck admires CC's gumption instead of his landing
place?
It
doesn't change the fact that he didn't discover this country. Even
my
bank
has figured this out, and is now open on Columbus Day.

Yeah, that's why they decided to stay open snerk... Had nothing to
do with money!?

Gee....ya think? :-)- Hide quoted text -

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So, it really had nohing to do with "figuring" anything out, you admit
you lie for ideological reasons. But we already knew that...

The gradual realization that the holiday is a dud and that it means
little
to employees - that had nothing at all to do with it. Sure.- Hide quoted
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I'm surprised that your bank wasn't closed last Monday, Ocotober 8.
My wife is in the banking industry, and she got the day off. There are
some restrictions about when banks can be closed, and most of them
date back to the 1930's when banks would remain closed for days at a
time to avoid having to settle with depositors. (For example, banks
are always open the day after Thanksgiving, or on Xmas eve is it falls
on a Monday...you can't close a bank for more than three consecutive
days). I suppose there aren't similar restrictions about when banks
can be *open*, but out this way most if not all were closed on the 8th.


I was surprised to find them open, too. Oh well.

Columbus Day
 

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:40:18 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Columbus can be hailed as an accomplished navigator and courageous
explorer, but in my opinion his less noble and more ambitious
motivations make him a much more human and far more interesting
character.

And Plymouth Rock has been moved at least three times that they know
of and there's plenty of evidence that the rock never was involved in
the Pilgrims landing.

So what?

The Vikings were here first anyway. Along with Hawaii, Japan and
Antartica.

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On Oct 12, 7:55?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:40:18 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
Columbus can be hailed as an accomplished navigator and courageous
explorer, but in my opinion his less noble and more ambitious
motivations make him a much more human and far more interesting
character.

And Plymouth Rock has been moved at least three times that they know
of and there's plenty of evidence that the rock never was involved in
the Pilgrims landing.


I can't imagine anybody landing a dinghy on a big rock. It would make
more sense to row onto a beach or into a mudbank where one could make
a soft landing, rather than risk holing a boat on a rock. As any
mariner knows, when you see a rock sticking up above the surface, more
than likely there are some little cousins lurking around immediately
below. When I take a dingy ashore, I try to stay away from the rocks
and look for a flat area with sand, small gravel, or mud.

Now if "Plymouth Rock" were just a small flat stone that offered some
dry and stable footing in a soft or muddy environment that is a bit
more logical.

I've never visited Plymouth Rock, but the stereotypical illustration
shows
2-3 pilgrims standing on a shoreside boulder. Why the heck would
anybody bother to climb up onto a boulder? :-)

People behaved in the early 1600's pretty much the same way they
behave today. We are little different, if different at all. Only our
technology and culture are changed, human nature remains pretty
stable.

Columbus Day
 

On Oct 12, 9:37?am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:08:04 -0700, Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Oct 12, 7:55?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:40:18 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
Columbus can be hailed as an accomplished navigator and courageous
explorer, but in my opinion his less noble and more ambitious
motivations make him a much more human and far more interesting
character.

And Plymouth Rock has been moved at least three times that they know
of and there's plenty of evidence that the rock never was involved in
the Pilgrims landing.

I can't imagine anybody landing a dinghy on a big rock. It would make
more sense to row onto a beach or into a mudbank where one could make
a soft landing, rather than risk holing a boat on a rock. As any
mariner knows, when you see a rock sticking up above the surface, more
than likely there are some little cousins lurking around immediately
below. When I take a dingy ashore, I try to stay away from the rocks
and look for a flat area with sand, small gravel, or mud.

Now if "Plymouth Rock" were just a small flat stone that offered some
dry and stable footing in a soft or muddy environment that is a bit
more logical.

I've never visited Plymouth Rock, but the stereotypical illustration
shows
2-3 pilgrims standing on a shoreside boulder. Why the heck would
anybody bother to climb up onto a boulder? :-)

People behaved in the early 1600's pretty much the same way they
behave today. We are little different, if different at all. Only our
technology and culture are changed, human nature remains pretty
stable.

To what do you tie your dingy when you land on a beach? Would a nice rock
not be appropriate?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Depending how long we will be ashore, we begin by carrying the dinghy
up beyond the high tide line. That can be a ways, with our 13-15 foot
typical tidal cycle hereabouts.

Up at the top of the high tide line we nearly always have a pile of
driftwood. Logs and such that have been tossed up onto the beach by
the previous winter's storms. They aren't going anywhere for a while-
probably not until the next major storm, so they make a good place to
tie the painter.

Tieing to many rocks could be less practical. The mooring line might
work its way up and over any rock that was tapered toward the top, or
slip down and pull out below a lot of rocks tapered toward the bottom.

Columbus Day
 

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:08:04 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Oct 12, 7:55?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:40:18 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
Columbus can be hailed as an accomplished navigator and courageous
explorer, but in my opinion his less noble and more ambitious
motivations make him a much more human and far more interesting
character.

And Plymouth Rock has been moved at least three times that they know
of and there's plenty of evidence that the rock never was involved in
the Pilgrims landing.


I can't imagine anybody landing a dinghy on a big rock. It would make
more sense to row onto a beach or into a mudbank where one could make
a soft landing, rather than risk holing a boat on a rock. As any
mariner knows, when you see a rock sticking up above the surface, more
than likely there are some little cousins lurking around immediately
below. When I take a dingy ashore, I try to stay away from the rocks
and look for a flat area with sand, small gravel, or mud.

Now if "Plymouth Rock" were just a small flat stone that offered some
dry and stable footing in a soft or muddy environment that is a bit
more logical.

I've never visited Plymouth Rock, but the stereotypical illustration
shows
2-3 pilgrims standing on a shoreside boulder. Why the heck would
anybody bother to climb up onto a boulder? :-)

People behaved in the early 1600's pretty much the same way they
behave today. We are little different, if different at all. Only our
technology and culture are changed, human nature remains pretty
stable.


To what do you tie your dingy when you land on a beach? Would a nice rock
not be appropriate?

Columbus Day
 

On Oct 12, 12:33 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 12, 9:37?am, John H. wrote:





On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:08:04 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
On Oct 12, 7:55?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:40:18 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
Columbus can be hailed as an accomplished navigator and courageous
explorer, but in my opinion his less noble and more ambitious
motivations make him a much more human and far more interesting
character.

And Plymouth Rock has been moved at least three times that they know
of and there's plenty of evidence that the rock never was involved in
the Pilgrims landing.

I can't imagine anybody landing a dinghy on a big rock. It would make
more sense to row onto a beach or into a mudbank where one could make
a soft landing, rather than risk holing a boat on a rock. As any
mariner knows, when you see a rock sticking up above the surface, more
than likely there are some little cousins lurking around immediately
below. When I take a dingy ashore, I try to stay away from the rocks
and look for a flat area with sand, small gravel, or mud.

Now if "Plymouth Rock" were just a small flat stone that offered some
dry and stable footing in a soft or muddy environment that is a bit
more logical.

I've never visited Plymouth Rock, but the stereotypical illustration
shows
2-3 pilgrims standing on a shoreside boulder. Why the heck would
anybody bother to climb up onto a boulder? :-)

People behaved in the early 1600's pretty much the same way they
behave today. We are little different, if different at all. Only our
technology and culture are changed, human nature remains pretty
stable.

To what do you tie your dingy when you land on a beach? Would a nice rock
not be appropriate?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Depending how long we will be ashore, we begin by carrying the dinghy
up beyond the high tide line. That can be a ways, with our 13-15 foot
typical tidal cycle hereabouts.

Up at the top of the high tide line we nearly always have a pile of
driftwood. Logs and such that have been tossed up onto the beach by
the previous winter's storms. They aren't going anywhere for a while-
probably not until the next major storm, so they make a good place to
tie the painter.

Tieing to many rocks could be less practical. The mooring line might
work its way up and over any rock that was tapered toward the top, or
slip down and pull out below a lot of rocks tapered toward the bottom.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And your stick could break, and your knot could come out, or a meteor
could sever the rope... Do you warm up before you stretch?

Columbus Day
 

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On Oct 12, 12:33 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 12, 9:37?am, John H. wrote:





On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:08:04 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
On Oct 12, 7:55?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:40:18 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
Columbus can be hailed as an accomplished navigator and courageous
explorer, but in my opinion his less noble and more ambitious
motivations make him a much more human and far more interesting
character.

And Plymouth Rock has been moved at least three times that they know
of and there's plenty of evidence that the rock never was involved
in
the Pilgrims landing.

I can't imagine anybody landing a dinghy on a big rock. It would make
more sense to row onto a beach or into a mudbank where one could make
a soft landing, rather than risk holing a boat on a rock. As any
mariner knows, when you see a rock sticking up above the surface, more
than likely there are some little cousins lurking around immediately
below. When I take a dingy ashore, I try to stay away from the rocks
and look for a flat area with sand, small gravel, or mud.

Now if "Plymouth Rock" were just a small flat stone that offered some
dry and stable footing in a soft or muddy environment that is a bit
more logical.

I've never visited Plymouth Rock, but the stereotypical illustration
shows
2-3 pilgrims standing on a shoreside boulder. Why the heck would
anybody bother to climb up onto a boulder? :-)

People behaved in the early 1600's pretty much the same way they
behave today. We are little different, if different at all. Only our
technology and culture are changed, human nature remains pretty
stable.

To what do you tie your dingy when you land on a beach? Would a nice
rock
not be appropriate?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Depending how long we will be ashore, we begin by carrying the dinghy
up beyond the high tide line. That can be a ways, with our 13-15 foot
typical tidal cycle hereabouts.

Up at the top of the high tide line we nearly always have a pile of
driftwood. Logs and such that have been tossed up onto the beach by
the previous winter's storms. They aren't going anywhere for a while-
probably not until the next major storm, so they make a good place to
tie the painter.

Tieing to many rocks could be less practical. The mooring line might
work its way up and over any rock that was tapered toward the top, or
slip down and pull out below a lot of rocks tapered toward the bottom.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And your stick could break, and your knot could come out, or a meteor
could sever the rope... Do you warm up before you stretch?

"Do you warm up before you stretch?" That's good one, I've filed that one
away.

Columbus Day
 

On Oct 12, 9:51?am, wrote:
On Oct 12, 12:33 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:





On Oct 12, 9:37?am, John H. wrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:08:04 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
On Oct 12, 7:55?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:40:18 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
Columbus can be hailed as an accomplished navigator and courageous
explorer, but in my opinion his less noble and more ambitious
motivations make him a much more human and far more interesting
character.

And Plymouth Rock has been moved at least three times that they know
of and there's plenty of evidence that the rock never was involved in
the Pilgrims landing.

I can't imagine anybody landing a dinghy on a big rock. It would make
more sense to row onto a beach or into a mudbank where one could make
a soft landing, rather than risk holing a boat on a rock. As any
mariner knows, when you see a rock sticking up above the surface, more
than likely there are some little cousins lurking around immediately
below. When I take a dingy ashore, I try to stay away from the rocks
and look for a flat area with sand, small gravel, or mud.

Now if "Plymouth Rock" were just a small flat stone that offered some
dry and stable footing in a soft or muddy environment that is a bit
more logical.

I've never visited Plymouth Rock, but the stereotypical illustration
shows
2-3 pilgrims standing on a shoreside boulder. Why the heck would
anybody bother to climb up onto a boulder? :-)

People behaved in the early 1600's pretty much the same way they
behave today. We are little different, if different at all. Only our
technology and culture are changed, human nature remains pretty
stable.

To what do you tie your dingy when you land on a beach? Would a nice rock
not be appropriate?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Depending how long we will be ashore, we begin by carrying the dinghy
up beyond the high tide line. That can be a ways, with our 13-15 foot
typical tidal cycle hereabouts.

Up at the top of the high tide line we nearly always have a pile of
driftwood. Logs and such that have been tossed up onto the beach by
the previous winter's storms. They aren't going anywhere for a while-
probably not until the next major storm, so they make a good place to
tie the painter.

Tieing to many rocks could be less practical. The mooring line might
work its way up and over any rock that was tapered toward the top, or
slip down and pull out below a lot of rocks tapered toward the bottom.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And your stick could break, and your knot could come out, or a meteor
could sever the rope... Do you warm up before you stretch?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What's with you today?

JohnH asked how I tie my dinghy. I told him. Why be so nasty? Nobody
is chasing you around with crappy personal comments, so consider
returning the favor.

By the way, "stick"? You're obviously unfamiliar with our drift piles
in the NW. We're talking a continuous run of logs that weigh multiple
tons apiece.

Columbus Day
 

"John H." wrote in message
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The dingy used by the pilgrims was undoubtedly bigger and heavier than
yours. They used really thick fiberglass in those days!


Contrary to popular belief, the Pilgrims did not initially land at Plymouth.
(Anyone who is familiar with Plymouth Harbor and the entrance can understand
why).

The official story is that the Mayflower first arrived and anchored off of
Provincetown on the tip of the Cape. A crew was then sent off on the
ship's jonboat with orders to find a safe harbor. The crew rowed across
Cape Cod Bay to Plymouth, (a distance of over 20 miles), found Plymouth,
briefly stepped upon "the Rock", then rowed back to report their findings.

Me? I just use my GPS.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:50 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Oct 12, 9:37?am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:08:04 -0700, Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Oct 12, 7:55?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:40:18 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
Columbus can be hailed as an accomplished navigator and courageous
explorer, but in my opinion his less noble and more ambitious
motivations make him a much more human and far more interesting
character.

And Plymouth Rock has been moved at least three times that they know
of and there's plenty of evidence that the rock never was involved in
the Pilgrims landing.

I can't imagine anybody landing a dinghy on a big rock. It would make
more sense to row onto a beach or into a mudbank where one could make
a soft landing, rather than risk holing a boat on a rock. As any
mariner knows, when you see a rock sticking up above the surface, more
than likely there are some little cousins lurking around immediately
below. When I take a dingy ashore, I try to stay away from the rocks
and look for a flat area with sand, small gravel, or mud.

Now if "Plymouth Rock" were just a small flat stone that offered some
dry and stable footing in a soft or muddy environment that is a bit
more logical.

I've never visited Plymouth Rock, but the stereotypical illustration
shows
2-3 pilgrims standing on a shoreside boulder. Why the heck would
anybody bother to climb up onto a boulder? :-)

People behaved in the early 1600's pretty much the same way they
behave today. We are little different, if different at all. Only our
technology and culture are changed, human nature remains pretty
stable.

To what do you tie your dingy when you land on a beach? Would a nice rock
not be appropriate?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Depending how long we will be ashore, we begin by carrying the dinghy
up beyond the high tide line. That can be a ways, with our 13-15 foot
typical tidal cycle hereabouts.

Up at the top of the high tide line we nearly always have a pile of
driftwood. Logs and such that have been tossed up onto the beach by
the previous winter's storms. They aren't going anywhere for a while-
probably not until the next major storm, so they make a good place to
tie the painter.

Tieing to many rocks could be less practical. The mooring line might
work its way up and over any rock that was tapered toward the top, or
slip down and pull out below a lot of rocks tapered toward the bottom.

The dingy used by the pilgrims was undoubtedly bigger and heavier than
yours. They used really thick fiberglass in those days!