On Oct 11, 11:39 am, Chuck Gould wrote:


I'm sure that if there were enough people in the US willing to sleep
in cardboard boxes along side the road, eat 600 calories a day, die of
simple diseases before age 45 and therefore able to work for that same
$50-$100 a week the industries that have been "driven away" would come
back in a heartbeat.


Am I the only one who remembers Clinton saying he did not care if we
were all making potato chips for minimum wage, as long as we were all
working? If we continue to elect communist/socialist to our govt. we
will be there soon enough...

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:45:01 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 11, 11:39 am, Chuck Gould wrote:


I'm sure that if there were enough people in the US willing to sleep
in cardboard boxes along side the road, eat 600 calories a day, die of
simple diseases before age 45 and therefore able to work for that same
$50-$100 a week the industries that have been "driven away" would come
back in a heartbeat.


Am I the only one who remembers Clinton saying he did not care if we
were all making potato chips for minimum wage, as long as we were all
working? If we continue to elect communist/socialist to our govt. we
will be there soon enough...

You need to throw in a couple 'boat' phrases to make it 'on topic' like
Chuck did.

On Oct 11, 8:45?am, wrote:
On Oct 11, 11:39 am, Chuck Gould wrote:



I'm sure that if there were enough people in the US willing to sleep
in cardboard boxes along side the road, eat 600 calories a day, die of
simple diseases before age 45 and therefore able to work for that same
$50-$100 a week the industries that have been "driven away" would come
back in a heartbeat.

Am I the only one who remembers Clinton saying he did not care if we
were all making potato chips for minimum wage, as long as we were all
working? If we continue to elect communist/socialist to our govt. we
will be there soon enough...

I'm missing something.
A quick mental review of the executive and legistlative branches of
the FEDGOV fails to identify anybody in office who is a communist or
socialist. The Executive branch is entirely Republican, and has been
for
almost seven years. The Legislative branch is a mixture of Democrats
and Republicans, with the Democrats currently holding a slim majority
(after about 15 years of a Republican majority there).

As for Clinton's comment, you may be right. Members of the other
party, (in charge of stealing for the other special interest groups)
might have said, "Why the heck should the government dictate how many
dollars per hour (minimum wage) we ought to pay the people working in
our potato chip plants?" :-)

But here's an odd question:

Why does anybody give a darn?

Politics will bleed you dry, and leave your discarded body along the
road without even a "thank you very much".

None of us really make a difference, it's just a farce.

We would do better to concentrate on the simple pleasures in life,
(like boating). We are so manipulated these days by people with one
agenda or another- whether it's on talk radio, the internet, TV,
newspaper, or whatever. At least with a boat you can control your
immediate environment. You will be safe or in peril depending to a
large degree on how well you prepared before setting out, and
sometimes you will be called upon to employ skills that will make an
important difference. That's what life ought to be about, not simply
and dutifully repeating the latest "talking point" from PBS, Al Gore,
moveon.org, Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity. The American public can be
such sheep, it's really embarrassing.

On Oct 11, 12:37 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
Just because Hillary puts a D behind her name does not mean she is a
Democrat. She is showing us more and more communist tendencies, as is
the rest of her party. Redistribution of wealth, censorship or
dismissal of opposing views, restrictions on religeous opinion/
institutional atheism, and shameless rehiring of convicted criminals
to her cabinet, for a few recent expamles. Call it the "new democatic
party" if you want, but it is communist, pure and simple.

Like I said, if we elect a communist government, we will be a
communist country. Free speech will only be the first right that they
will censor with the "anti-free enterprise and accountability
reduction" doctrine.. uh, the "fairness act"

On Oct 11, 12:37 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 11, 8:45?am, wrote:

On Oct 11, 11:39 am, Chuck Gould wrote:

I'm sure that if there were enough people in the US willing to sleep
in cardboard boxes along side the road, eat 600 calories a day, die of
simple diseases before age 45 and therefore able to work for that same
$50-$100 a week the industries that have been "driven away" would come
back in a heartbeat.

Am I the only one who remembers Clinton saying he did not care if we
were all making potato chips for minimum wage, as long as we were all
working? If we continue to elect communist/socialist to our govt. we
will be there soon enough...

I'm missing something.
A quick mental review of the executive and legistlative branches of
the FEDGOV fails to identify anybody in office who is a communist or
socialist. The Executive branch is entirely Republican, and has been
for
almost seven years. The Legislative branch is a mixture of Democrats
and Republicans, with the Democrats currently holding a slim majority
(after about 15 years of a Republican majority there).

As for Clinton's comment, you may be right. Members of the other
party, (in charge of stealing for the other special interest groups)
might have said, "Why the heck should the government dictate how many
dollars per hour (minimum wage) we ought to pay the people working in
our potato chip plants?" :-)

But here's an odd question:

Why does anybody give a darn?

Politics will bleed you dry, and leave your discarded body along the
road without even a "thank you very much".

None of us really make a difference, it's just a farce.

We would do better to concentrate on the simple pleasures in life,
(like boating). We are so manipulated these days by people with one
agenda or another- whether it's on talk radio, the internet, TV,
newspaper, or whatever. At least with a boat you can control your
immediate environment. You will be safe or in peril depending to a
large degree on how well you prepared before setting out, and
sometimes you will be called upon to employ skills that will make an
important difference. That's what life ought to be about, not simply
and dutifully repeating the latest "talking point" from PBS, Al Gore,
moveon.org, Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity. The American public can be
such sheep, it's really embarrassing.



Exactly, Busheep talking points. Ever hear Horseface Colter and that
simp Sean Hannity together? Ever third word is either "Socialist" or
"Communist".

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:37:01 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Oct 11, 8:45?am, wrote:
On Oct 11, 11:39 am, Chuck Gould wrote:



I'm sure that if there were enough people in the US willing to sleep
in cardboard boxes along side the road, eat 600 calories a day, die of
simple diseases before age 45 and therefore able to work for that same
$50-$100 a week the industries that have been "driven away" would come
back in a heartbeat.

Am I the only one who remembers Clinton saying he did not care if we
were all making potato chips for minimum wage, as long as we were all
working? If we continue to elect communist/socialist to our govt. we
will be there soon enough...

I'm missing something.
A quick mental review of the executive and legistlative branches of
the FEDGOV fails to identify anybody in office who is a communist or
socialist.

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"Bernard "Bernie" Sanders (born September 8, 1941) is the current
junior United States Senator from Vermont. Sanders was elected on
November 7, 2006, and is presently a member of the 110th United States
Congress. Before becoming Senator, Sanders represented Vermont's
at-large district in the United States House of Representatives for 15
years.

Sanders is a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST, but because he does not belong to a
formal political party he appears as an independent on the ballot."

Sanders is the first self-described socialist to be elected to the
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

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The Executive branch is entirely Republican, and has been
for
almost seven years. The Legislative branch is a mixture of Democrats
and Republicans, with the Democrats currently holding a slim majority
(after about 15 years of a Republican majority there).

As for Clinton's comment, you may be right. Members of the other
party, (in charge of stealing for the other special interest groups)
might have said, "Why the heck should the government dictate how many
dollars per hour (minimum wage) we ought to pay the people working in
our potato chip plants?" :-)

But here's an odd question:

Why does anybody give a darn?

Politics will bleed you dry, and leave your discarded body along the
road without even a "thank you very much".

None of us really make a difference, it's just a farce.

We would do better to concentrate on the simple pleasures in life,
(like boating). We are so manipulated these days by people with one
agenda or another- whether it's on talk radio, the internet, TV,
newspaper, or whatever. At least with a boat you can control your
immediate environment. You will be safe or in peril depending to a
large degree on how well you prepared before setting out, and
sometimes you will be called upon to employ skills that will make an
important difference. That's what life ought to be about, not simply
and dutifully repeating the latest "talking point" from PBS, Al Gore,
moveon.org, Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity. The American public can be
such sheep, it's really embarrassing.

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:39:57 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Oct 11, 7:44?am, wrote:
On Oct 11, 10:26 am, HK wrote:

especially since the jobs created will be union jobs.

Yeah, we need unions to do to the nuke industry what they have done to
the Grocery, Airline, Auto, Manufacturing, and so many other
industries who have been driven over the borders, and into
bankruptcy...

One batch of *******s steals for one group of special interests, and
the other batch of *******s steals for the other.

Industries haven't been "driven over the borders", they have moved to
where socialist economies, substandard "standards" of living, and very
little expectation of property ownership or wealth accumulation among
the working class provide unlimited numbers of people willing to work
for
$50-$100 US per week.

I'm sure that if there were enough people in the US willing to sleep
in cardboard boxes along side the road, eat 600 calories a day, die of
simple diseases before age 45 and therefore able to work for that same
$50-$100 a week the industries that have been "driven away" would come
back in a heartbeat.

But we can't simply blame the industrialists. (On topic, here..).
Certain products wouldn't even exist if they had to be built in the
US. Sure, when WalMart dictates to an appliance company that it will
only pay $6 for a waffle iron (but will buy a million of them a year)
a lot of companies are forced to move offshore to compete. That $6
wholesale allows Walmart to sell that waffle iron for $19.99 and come
out OK.
If Walmart would pay $10 for the same waffle iron, consumers might
have to pay $25, but there would be a waffle iron factory in Chicago
rather than in Shanghai..... but that's waffle irons, and not what I'm
referring to.

When it comes to boats it's not so simple. Even manufacturing in China
results in 7-figure price tages on 55-60 foot boats. Having $1-million
puts you somewhere near upper-middle class these days, (70,000
families in my home county are reputed to have $1 million or more in
net financial assets *excluding* equity in a home), but still there
are a limited number of people who have the means and will so
prioritize their spending to sink $1,2, or 3 million into a boat.
Manufacturing some of the larger yacts in the US, even in a "right to
work (for less)" environment would probably double the pricing on many
large yachts.

Case in point: Recently compared two very nice boats. One built in the
US selling for just under $900,000 and one bult in China selling for
just over $1mm. The US boat is a 42-footer, the boat built in China is
59 feet.


Hey Chuck! Just think, when the socialists get our economy to their liking,
our cardboard boxes may be a little bigger, and we may be making $100-$150
a week. But, we'll sure be proud of our redistributed wealth. Of course the
wealthy politicos (socialists, of course), will be living high on the hog.
(That's where the tenderloin is, high on the hog.)

Then, only the bosses will be able to afford a (on topic again) boat,
whether made in China or the USA.

Was the quality of construction the same on both of those boats?

On Oct 11, 10:04?am, John H. wrote:
..

Was the quality of construction the same on both of those boats?- Hide quoted text -

Both laid up with infusion process, both with Kevlar reinforced hull.
Systems installation and quality of stainless steel slightly better on
the US built boat. *Quantity* of stainless steel greater on the
Chinese boat.
Interior joinery and workmanship, fit and finish good or better on the
US made boat, woodworking especially noteworthy on the Chinese vessel.
Engines and major systems all US made, both boats. Wiring outstanding
on the US vessel, and even though not quite up to the same level still
admirably accomplished on the Chinese.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Oct 11, 7:44?am, wrote:
On Oct 11, 10:26 am, HK wrote:

especially since the jobs created will be union jobs.

Yeah, we need unions to do to the nuke industry what they have done to
the Grocery, Airline, Auto, Manufacturing, and so many other
industries who have been driven over the borders, and into
bankruptcy...

One batch of *******s steals for one group of special interests, and
the other batch of *******s steals for the other.

Industries haven't been "driven over the borders", they have moved to
where socialist economies, substandard "standards" of living, and very
little expectation of property ownership or wealth accumulation among
the working class provide unlimited numbers of people willing to work
for
$50-$100 US per week.

I'm sure that if there were enough people in the US willing to sleep
in cardboard boxes along side the road, eat 600 calories a day, die of
simple diseases before age 45 and therefore able to work for that same
$50-$100 a week the industries that have been "driven away" would come
back in a heartbeat.

But we can't simply blame the industrialists. (On topic, here..).
Certain products wouldn't even exist if they had to be built in the
US. Sure, when WalMart dictates to an appliance company that it will
only pay $6 for a waffle iron (but will buy a million of them a year)
a lot of companies are forced to move offshore to compete. That $6
wholesale allows Walmart to sell that waffle iron for $19.99 and come
out OK.
If Walmart would pay $10 for the same waffle iron, consumers might
have to pay $25, but there would be a waffle iron factory in Chicago
rather than in Shanghai..... but that's waffle irons, and not what I'm
referring to.

When it comes to boats it's not so simple. Even manufacturing in China
results in 7-figure price tages on 55-60 foot boats. Having $1-million
puts you somewhere near upper-middle class these days, (70,000
families in my home county are reputed to have $1 million or more in
net financial assets *excluding* equity in a home), but still there
are a limited number of people who have the means and will so
prioritize their spending to sink $1,2, or 3 million into a boat.
Manufacturing some of the larger yacts in the US, even in a "right to
work (for less)" environment would probably double the pricing on many
large yachts.

Case in point: Recently compared two very nice boats. One built in the
US selling for just under $900,000 and one bult in China selling for
just over $1mm. The US boat is a 42-footer, the boat built in China is
59 feet.



You should travel more. Lots of home ownership in those foreign countries.
May not be the 2000+ sq ft McMansions, but homes are owned. The people buy
food, cost is less than here, and may be different, but the hours worked per
loaf of bread may be very similar. Due to exorbitant contracts and over
spending by the Federal Government over the last 50 years (both parties) we
have priced ourselves out of a lot of the global markets. 25 years ago a
good white collar engineering job was in the $20-30k range. Due to big
inflation that same job is a $100-140k job. 5x or so increase. 25 years
ago, the US worker did not make 10-20x the wage of an overseas worker.
Maybe a 2x amount. We need to vote out almost all the leaders we now have
and make it more of a people run government. Now it is life time employment
with fantastic perks and full salary for life after about 2 terms. We are
being controlled by an elitest group who basically let us vote for a couple
of stooges running for office. Closest we got to breaking that cycle is
when Perot made a 3rd party run. Unfortunately, that has also given us a
couple of real Bozos as leaders and looks like the next POTUS will also be
either a Bozo or Bozette.

Great post, and definitely related to this NG.

It is nice to see you make a constructive post without trolling for a
political flamefest.