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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:31:36 -0000, Tim wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:16:13 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:35:32 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:10:50 -0000, shipmk wrote:

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Can you build a low transom 21 foot center console?
Why would anyone want to build one of those?

There are some who believe that wet decks and unstable platforms in
stern seas are a plus. It's a kind of "macho" thing.

Not to mention any names of course, but a set of initials might just
look like...

Well, let's just leave it at that.

Plus, based on Gene's story, they make good artificial reefs. :)


Speaking of wet decks, this is a 22' Bay Ranger:

http://tinyurl.com/2rlax5

Specs say it is only 16.5" deep from the cockpit sole to the
gunnels...couple of interesting broadsides, and glug, glug, glug.

Nice boat for the Florida flats or the North Florida ICW...I'd certainly
not take it out in the ocean or a big bay.

Tell you what - let's do a little "test".

I'll bring my Ranger down there when I leave for SC next week and on
my way back, we'll put your Parker up against my Ranger in some heavy
wakes or seas.

Broadside. I guarentee you I will be nice and dry and you will be
soaked. No boots - deck shoes for evidence.

And just for giggles, let's see if your 150 Yamaha can pull the stern
of my Ranger under. Then we'll see if my ETEC can pull the stern of
your Parker under.

How 'bout it? Up for it? :)

I'd like to see a test between the ETEC 150 hp and a 140hp (3.0) GM/
Mercuiser.

Too far away, but I'd put my little chris craft up to the test.

Chicken. :)

This could turn into quie the event - a tow off!!

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On Oct 8, 3:42 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:21:15 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:56:05 -0400, HK wrote:

Oh the first part makes perfect sense, as my boat, though a foot shorter
than yours (you have a 22' boat, right?), it is about a foot deeper from
the deck to the gunnels, has the typical "Carolina flare," has 21
degrees of deadrise at the transom and probably weighs about 1000 pounds
more. Right. Makes perfect sense, even though what you are saying
violates the laws of physics. Yep, your boat is going to be drier in
heavy seas. Sure it is.

20' and I can see you are already backing down.

Chicken. :)

The second part would be fun if we had the same sized engines on the
transom...don't you have a 300 hp deadTec on that wet little boat? :}

I only have a 150.

200 HO.

I'll only go half throttle. :)

You have the 20' SmallBayRanger? Ranger must have dropped that model, as
the 20-footer is not rated for 200 horsepower. Unless you are exceeding
the recommended maximum.

Finally figured it out - heh...

Mines rated for 225 and is a completely different boat from the "new"
bay boats.

Are the dimensions on your boat, but for length, about the same as the
22-footer? If so, you have a very wide, fairly flat-bottomed, modified
vee hull. Hard riding in the chop and wet.

Hey - ask Scott. He's been in some crap with me in it.

I've seen Ranger bay boats out on nice days. How many Parker 2100CC's
have you seen? Probably none. There are plenty of Parker 21's out there,
but they mostly are the "SE" models. Different boat.

A few actually - very few, but a few.

However, Parker's aren't that unique in design - they are pretty much
the same old same old when it comes to design - pretty standard boat.

No style, no class. :)

I'm sorry, that wasn't fair.

I apologize.

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We been out in some snot, and I have not gotten wet yet. And I have
noted to Tom several times how smooth she seems to land. I really
expected a pounding at 45 mph in the slow rollers a couple of weeks
back, but it was not to bad at all. Weather said 5-10 from the south,
we got out and it was 10-20 from the NW.. Great day of fishing;)

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On Oct 8, 3:49 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:21:15 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:56:05 -0400, HK wrote:

Oh the first part makes perfect sense, as my boat, though a foot shorter
than yours (you have a 22' boat, right?), it is about a foot deeper from
the deck to the gunnels, has the typical "Carolina flare," has 21
degrees of deadrise at the transom and probably weighs about 1000 pounds
more. Right. Makes perfect sense, even though what you are saying
violates the laws of physics. Yep, your boat is going to be drier in
heavy seas. Sure it is.
20' and I can see you are already backing down.

Chicken. :)

The second part would be fun if we had the same sized engines on the
transom...don't you have a 300 hp deadTec on that wet little boat? :}

I only have a 150.
200 HO.

I'll only go half throttle. :)

You have the 20' SmallBayRanger? Ranger must have dropped that model, as
the 20-footer is not rated for 200 horsepower. Unless you are exceeding
the recommended maximum.

Finally figured it out - heh...

Mines rated for 225 and is a completely different boat from the "new"
bay boats.

Are the dimensions on your boat, but for length, about the same as the
22-footer? If so, you have a very wide, fairly flat-bottomed, modified
vee hull. Hard riding in the chop and wet.

Hey - ask Scott. He's been in some crap with me in it.

I've seen Ranger bay boats out on nice days. How many Parker 2100CC's
have you seen? Probably none. There are plenty of Parker 21's out there,
but they mostly are the "SE" models. Different boat.

A few actually - very few, but a few.

However, Parker's aren't that unique in design - they are pretty much
the same old same old when it comes to design - pretty standard boat.

No style, no class. :)

I'm sorry, that wasn't fair.

I apologize.

~~ snerk ~~

No glitz on Parkers, for sure. That's what is most endearing to me.
Is your Ranger finished in metalflake?- Hide quoted text -

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Not on the boat. The custom fitted trailer however does iirc;)

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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:50:17 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Oct 8, 12:37 pm, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 8, 9:13?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
I'll only go half throttle. :)
Sounds like a half fast compromise to me. :-)
On the other hand, experiments and demonstrations that promise to
violate the laws of physics often are interesting. Tom has proposed one.

Apples and Oranges.. Each job has it's own tool. Years ago I had a CJ7
and worked at a body shop. The frame guy had a VW (smerk) Rabbit that
was set up for, uh, speed. He used to tell me he could take me in the
quarter, I told him to hook up bumper to bumper and I would drag him
to the local scrap yard;)

Indeed, but the "riding through the slop" experiment Tom has proposed
would end up violating the laws of physics for his boat to win. It just
doesn't make any sense.

What you seem to fail to understand is this - my boat doesn't tip -
ever. Put three guys on the starboard rail and it still stays flat.

It will roll - I'm not claiming that it won't roll, but water over the
gunwale? No way. Been there, done that - have the proof. It's
because of the slight deadrise and the step hull. As to "pounding" -
yeah - a little depending on how you approach a wave at speed, but
with the trim angle adjusted properly, the entry and exit is very
smooth.

Yours, on the other hand, being a fairly standard CC with the same
beam as my Ranger and a 21 degree deadrise can't perform the same
trick because of the hull configuration and if anything will probably
"pound" as much as the Ranger given the same sea state. And it will
tip broadside to the water further than my boat will.

Mine bobs like a cork - yours, not so much.

Them's the "physics".

So, what do you say - wanna do it? :)

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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:06:03 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:48:00 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

No it doesn't bother me at all for anyone to ask me any question at all.

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

Answer:

Not an answer. You have to describe it.

Secondly, if you are lost and come to a fork in the road, which one do
you take?

Answer: The right one

How do you know it's the right one?

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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:23:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:10:50 -0000, shipmk wrote:
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|Can you build a low transom 21 foot center console?

With a diesel I/O......

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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:04:25 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Secondly, if you are lost and come to a fork in the road, which one do
you take?

Answer: The right one

How do you know it's the right one?

In retrospect, it's unfailingly accurate.

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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:09:35 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Departed from here, not from life. If you're on the Miles River, you're
a lot closer to the lobsta boat than you know.

Wayne, that infamous lobsta boat is in your neighborhood, snap a picture
of it.

But of course.

It will be hard to tell it from the other 101 varieties of Chesapeake
Bay crabbers however without our LT hero in it, and he seems firmly
parked in his parka.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:31:36 -0000, Tim wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:16:13 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:35:32 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:10:50 -0000, shipmk
wrote:

-Special Purpose Vessels: Research Vessel, Training Ship, Floating
Dock, Floating Crane, Pleasure Boat, Hospital Ship, Patrol Boat
Can you build a low transom 21 foot center console?
Why would anyone want to build one of those?

There are some who believe that wet decks and unstable platforms in
stern seas are a plus. It's a kind of "macho" thing.

Not to mention any names of course, but a set of initials might just
look like...

Well, let's just leave it at that.

Plus, based on Gene's story, they make good artificial reefs. :)


Speaking of wet decks, this is a 22' Bay Ranger:

http://tinyurl.com/2rlax5

Specs say it is only 16.5" deep from the cockpit sole to the
gunnels...couple of interesting broadsides, and glug, glug, glug.

Nice boat for the Florida flats or the North Florida ICW...I'd
certainly
not take it out in the ocean or a big bay.

Tell you what - let's do a little "test".

I'll bring my Ranger down there when I leave for SC next week and on
my way back, we'll put your Parker up against my Ranger in some heavy
wakes or seas.

Broadside. I guarentee you I will be nice and dry and you will be
soaked. No boots - deck shoes for evidence.

And just for giggles, let's see if your 150 Yamaha can pull the stern
of my Ranger under. Then we'll see if my ETEC can pull the stern of
your Parker under.

How 'bout it? Up for it? :)

I'd like to see a test between the ETEC 150 hp and a 140hp (3.0) GM/
Mercuiser.

Too far away, but I'd put my little chris craft up to the test.

Chicken. :)

This could turn into quie the event - a tow off!!

I think any 150 hp motor should be able to blow out the prop if tied to
another boat of similar equal power or a piling.

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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:52:03 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I'd like to see a test between the ETEC 150 hp and a 140hp (3.0) GM/
Mercuiser.

Too far away, but I'd put my little chris craft up to the test.

Chicken. :)

This could turn into quie the event - a tow off!!

Tell you guys what, I'll take on all 3 of you at once, winner take
all.

Somewhere, off in the distance, I can hear a pair of DD6-71s spooling
up, with 30 inch props thrashing the water. Size matters.

Oops, some of the water seems to be going over those cute little
transoms on the toy boats...

Houston, we seem to have a problem. Call 1-800-SEATOW, bring
flotation bags.