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Single 250 or Twin 150s?
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:06:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:44:38 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: 2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster, 2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on... You must have a real problem with things breaking on you. Do you wear suspenders and a belt? ;-) Gene boats on the ocean, not this pansy Lake Eerie stuff. ~~ snerk ~~ |
Single 250 or Twin 150s?
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:18:32 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:
Gene did not write the post I responded to. Regardless, I doubt that many ocean boaters have the redundancies D-Unit said he carries. All that and more, let's not forget twin generators, auto EPIRB, liferaft, SSB radio, weather FAX, emergency rations, etc., not to mention the triple redundancy high speed internet access. :-) |
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:55:34 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:
I'm pretty much with Gene on this one. I also have a small spare EMS kit, a second location for signalling equipment, yada, yada, yada... 2 radios, 2 gps's, battery booster AND jumper cables? I doubt if anyone but D-Unit carries that. ;-) Wrong, see previous, and don't forget the SOLAS flares, anything less is for 4th of July cookouts. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
JimH wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:38:15 -0400, "JimH" ask penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:18:47 -0400, Lance Osojnicki penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Howdy, I am looking at a nice 25' center console fishing boat that weighs 3700 pounds dry and without power. Will a Suzuki 250 be enough get up and go or will a pair of 150s be necessary? I think 3700 is pretty light for a 25' CC compared to a Grady or Mako. Thoughts? My piggy bank would like to say single. The principle reason to go with twins is redundancy. Your piggy bank and your level of comfort with losing either some or *all* power will have to come to terms..... -- Another major reason for twins is maneuverability. Twin outboards are usually placed so close together that there is very little benefit in the minute amount of asymmetrical thrust that can be produced. My twins were on boats with I/O's. I could pivot either of them on a dime and could easily stern in when docking. My single drives (I/O's also) could not and my ability to maneuver in reverse was/is a bit challenging. I could not imagine trying to stern in with an single I/O. If there is in fact no advantage in maneuverability between single and twin outboards (vs. when comparing with I/O's or inboards) perhaps it is due to where the drives sit in relationship to the pivot point of the boat and not the space between the drives. There is a world of difference between close quarter maneuverability with an I/O and a inboard. You really should be able to turn and/or stern in that small runabout easily. You probably forgot how to use a single I/O after using twins. You need to have someone review the basics and find out how easy it is. I have never had twins on anything, Backing down with a io is a no problem at all. just like backing down with a outboard. Capt Jack R.. |
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Jack Redington wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: JimH wrote: point of the boat and not the space between the drives. There is a world of difference between close quarter maneuverability with an I/O and a inboard. You really should be able to turn and/or stern in that small runabout easily. You probably forgot how to use a single I/O after using twins. You need to have someone review the basics and find out how easy it is. I have never had twins on anything, Backing down with a io is a no problem at all. just like backing down with a outboard. Capt Jack R.. It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is very very easy. |
Single 250 or Twin 150s?
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is very very easy. And the secret is: Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20 mph. Eisboch |
Single 250 or Twin 150s?
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:37:42 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is very very easy. And the secret is: Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20 mph. Piffle. Why I've been known to take my Ranger out in creasting 50 foot waves. Up hill. Both ways. |
Single 250 or Twin 150s?
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:37:42 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is very very easy. And the secret is: Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20 mph. Piffle. Why I've been known to take my Ranger out in creasting 50 foot waves. Up hill. Both ways. Ah, huh. And I took my 16 foot Whaler Dauntless across Cape Cod Bay to Provincetown and back a few years ago. Upon my return, I crawled up on terra firma and kissed sweet earth. Eisboch |
Single 250 or Twin 150s?
Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is very very easy. And the secret is: Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20 mph. Eisboch While 20 mph will make it challenging, I would assume it would effect twins also. If you are in a little runabout, they do not have as much freeboard as your GB, so I would think they are not effected as much as your GB, even with your displacement hull. I would assume 20mph wants to blow you all over the place. But that isn't the secret I was talking about. :) |
Single 250 or Twin 150s?
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:02:02 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:37:42 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is very very easy. And the secret is: Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20 mph. Piffle. Why I've been known to take my Ranger out in creasting 50 foot waves. Up hill. Both ways. Ah, huh. And I took my 16 foot Whaler Dauntless across Cape Cod Bay to Provincetown and back a few years ago. Upon my return, I crawled up on terra firma and kissed sweet earth. LOL!!! Totally understand. I've done a couple of really - well, let's call it what it was: STUPID - things in my day. I took my Ranger out to the SW ledge off Block once on a decent day. By the time I got back to Point Judith after a breeze kicked up, I swore on a stack of bibles I'd never do that again. And there was the time when I was a retarded teenager and took my 13 foot Boston Whaler Sport with two buddies out to Halfway Rock - in theory for fluke fishing. We were finally picked up by the Harbor Patrol boat after they noticed us trying to get back in 2 footers and a stiff breeze. :) |
Single 250 or Twin 150s?
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:02:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:37:42 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is very very easy. And the secret is: Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20 mph. Piffle. Why I've been known to take my Ranger out in creasting 50 foot waves. Up hill. Both ways. Ah, huh. And I took my 16 foot Whaler Dauntless across Cape Cod Bay to Provincetown and back a few years ago. Upon my return, I crawled up on terra firma and kissed sweet earth. LOL!!! Totally understand. I've done a couple of really - well, let's call it what it was: STUPID - things in my day. I took my Ranger out to the SW ledge off Block once on a decent day. By the time I got back to Point Judith after a breeze kicked up, I swore on a stack of bibles I'd never do that again. And there was the time when I was a retarded teenager and took my 13 foot Boston Whaler Sport with two buddies out to Halfway Rock - in theory for fluke fishing. We were finally picked up by the Harbor Patrol boat after they noticed us trying to get back in 2 footers and a stiff breeze. :) Ha! When I was about 10, I sailed my Sunfish from Woodmont, CT, to Port Jefferson, LI. I got "beached" for the rest of the season. |
Single 250 or Twin 150s?
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:30:34 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: I think, from the threading, you may be asking SWS.... if not, then it must be either me or D-Unit. I can't speak for Tom's exact conditions, but D-Unit and I are just a few miles apart, so we have the same conditions. Locally we have three things to consider: (1) The Gulf Stream is a minimum of 20 miles out, so.... depending on weather, a trip offshore may be as much as 40 miles. For me, that is in a boat that actually measures out at about 28 feet overall. (2) Locally, we also have strong tidal currents which, with a boat not under command, can send you swirling out of an inlet, like the Tidy Bowl Man, and thence into rough water where the inlet or river meets the ocean. If you aren't pooped, broached, or driven aground..... it is just luck. (3) Without power and in a sea where the anchor would drag, you are at the mercy of the plentiful shoals. An Ounce Of Preparation Is Worth A Pound Of Cure! Anywhere on the North Atlantic can be an adventure, but for me and the Ranger, it's pretty much inshore out to maybe a couple of miles depending on sea state and weather. And depending on where I am - there are so many possibilities and potential for trouble, it's amazing. A place I fish all the time, The Race, across to the Plum Gut, down towards Saybrook and environs, the situation can change within a mile or less. It's the same over towards Montauk if I make that run from Stonington. Fisher's Island Sound is also an interesting place where deep water can turn into shallow water in a heart beat. Around Westerly up to Point Judith, there are tons of rocks, piles of rocks and small breach ways that can be fished - everything from tidal flats to deep pools and with all the attendant problems that can cause if you aren't paying attention. Then there's Narragansett Bay which is a whole environment all by it'self with wrecks, channels, reefs, rocks and rock piles - islands with shallow and deep water and two entrances that can be some of the most challenging sea conditions anywhere. You need power, a sturdy boat and some knowledge when and when not to challenge nautical Powers That Be and even then you can get into trouble. Scott was with me once when I just backed out of heading to Ohio Ledge because of sea state in the rip between Patience Island and Warwick Neck. You have to know your limits, but having the extra gear in case the fecal matter hits the rotating cooling device is important. At least to me. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Ha! When I was about 10, I sailed my Sunfish from Woodmont, CT, to Port Jefferson, LI. I got "beached" for the rest of the season. My best friend and I would tell our respective parents that we were going "camping". This was at the age of about 12. We'd pack up food, sleeping bags and a tent and head off, the parents thinking we were in the nearby woods someplace. Little did they know that our camping trips were on a 12 foot aluminum boat out to Rainsford Island in Boston Harbor (launching from the South Shore). We smuggled our Daisy BB guns along for the trip to shoot at the rats and keep them out of the tent. Eisboch |
Single 250 or Twin 150s?
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:04:04 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Ha! When I was about 10, I sailed my Sunfish from Woodmont, CT, to Port Jefferson, LI. I got "beached" for the rest of the season. My best friend and I would tell our respective parents that we were going "camping". This was at the age of about 12. We'd pack up food, sleeping bags and a tent and head off, the parents thinking we were in the nearby woods someplace. Little did they know that our camping trips were on a 12 foot aluminum boat out to Rainsford Island in Boston Harbor (launching from the South Shore). We smuggled our Daisy BB guns along for the trip to shoot at the rats and keep them out of the tent. BB guns? We used to use .22s out on the farm when I was that age. We'd take turns throwing rocks at the corn crib and when the rats ran out, we'd shoot 'em. Started doing that when I was nine. By the time I was twelve, I was really good at it. |
Single 250 or Twin 150s?
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message . .. Ha! When I was about 10, I sailed my Sunfish from Woodmont, CT, to Port Jefferson, LI. I got "beached" for the rest of the season. My best friend and I would tell our respective parents that we were going "camping". This was at the age of about 12. We'd pack up food, sleeping bags and a tent and head off, the parents thinking we were in the nearby woods someplace. Little did they know that our camping trips were on a 12 foot aluminum boat out to Rainsford Island in Boston Harbor (launching from the South Shore). We smuggled our Daisy BB guns along for the trip to shoot at the rats and keep them out of the tent. Eisboch Reminds me of the time my BVI buddy and I took a little 8 foot punt and rowed to MacNabs Island in the harbour. It was quite windy that day, really big swells hitting us head on...couldn't see anything but water when in the trough. He rowed the whole way while I sat in the back eating all the cookies his grandmother packed for us. We reached the east side of the island and had to drag/carry the boat along a gravel road to the west side. We were wasted. Finally at 2130 hrs we spotted the last sailboat leaving. He agreed to let us come aboard and he towed the punt to the Pleasant Shoal buoy where you either head up the main harbour or go up to one of the yacht clubs on the Arm. We transfered into the punt at this point and rowed the rest of the way home. Got into a bit of trouble as his mother had notified the Coast Guard and they were preparing to start a search for us. On a calm day it wouldn't have been a big deal. |
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On Oct 8, 2:18 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:44:38 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: 2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster, 2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on... You must have a real problem with things breaking on you. Do you wear suspenders and a belt? ;-) Gene boats on the ocean, not this pansy Lake Eerie stuff. Gene did not write the post I responded to. Regardless, I doubt that many ocean boaters have the redundancies D-Unit said he carries. ****, I carry an extra gasoline engine, an electric. two paddles, two anchors, two anchor lines with extra chain, two spotlights and three charged flashlights, horns, flares, extra dry clothes, extra glasses both tinted and clear, extra hat, usually two extra lifejackets, two spare throw cushions.. I could go on. And I got a 16 foot boat that has never been more than a half mile from land. I do however boat in congested areas, at night;) I AM coming home... |
Single 250 or Twin 150s?
On Oct 8, 7:44 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:30:34 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: I think, from the threading, you may be asking SWS.... if not, then it must be either me or D-Unit. I can't speak for Tom's exact conditions, but D-Unit and I are just a few miles apart, so we have the same conditions. Locally we have three things to consider: (1) The Gulf Stream is a minimum of 20 miles out, so.... depending on weather, a trip offshore may be as much as 40 miles. For me, that is in a boat that actually measures out at about 28 feet overall. (2) Locally, we also have strong tidal currents which, with a boat not under command, can send you swirling out of an inlet, like the Tidy Bowl Man, and thence into rough water where the inlet or river meets the ocean. If you aren't pooped, broached, or driven aground..... it is just luck. (3) Without power and in a sea where the anchor would drag, you are at the mercy of the plentiful shoals. An Ounce Of Preparation Is Worth A Pound Of Cure! Anywhere on the North Atlantic can be an adventure, but for me and the Ranger, it's pretty much inshore out to maybe a couple of miles depending on sea state and weather. And depending on where I am - there are so many possibilities and potential for trouble, it's amazing. A place I fish all the time, The Race, across to the Plum Gut, down towards Saybrook and environs, the situation can change within a mile or less. It's the same over towards Montauk if I make that run from Stonington. Fisher's Island Sound is also an interesting place where deep water can turn into shallow water in a heart beat. Around Westerly up to Point Judith, there are tons of rocks, piles of rocks and small breach ways that can be fished - everything from tidal flats to deep pools and with all the attendant problems that can cause if you aren't paying attention. Then there's Narragansett Bay which is a whole environment all by it'self with wrecks, channels, reefs, rocks and rock piles - islands with shallow and deep water and two entrances that can be some of the most challenging sea conditions anywhere. You need power, a sturdy boat and some knowledge when and when not to challenge nautical Powers That Be and even then you can get into trouble. Scott was with me once when I just backed out of heading to Ohio Ledge because of sea state in the rip between Patience Island and Warwick Neck. I would note that I however am still green, I was ready to go for it, guess I am lucky I was not driving;) I am like a 15 yo when it comes to that ****, only thing sets me back is lightning, I don't like lightning, or fire for that matter but that's another story;) You have to know your limits, but having the extra gear in case the fecal matter hits the rotating cooling device is important. At least to me.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
Single 250 or Twin 150s?
"HK" wrote in message . .. D-unit wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:46:38 -0400, Rick Kulesh penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: The single offers less hydrodynamic drag than the 2 do, and the 250 is probably about equal to the 2x150s. If you want twins purely for the "reliability" argumant, just get the big single and get a contract with BoatUS/SeaTow/(insert water-assistance company of choice in your area). You'll save a buncha dough and not really sacrifice anything. I don't include BoatUS/SeaTow as part of my planned safety equipment. They are a fall back position for things I can't plan for or take steps to avoid. Redundancies a 2 bilge pumps, 2 VHF radios, 2 engines.... that is planning for the eventual inevitability... You and I are on the same page on that one. 2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster, 2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on... My question to the fellow I had to tow home a few weeks ago... Do you have a spare batt? "NO" Do you have a battery booster? "NO" Do you have a paddle? "NO" "Im thinking of getting out of the boating business..." He said, with a grin, throwing me his tow line. db I'm not sure what the hell you are going to do with a paddle on the typical deep vee or semi-deep-vee runabout... I find them to be handy sometimes. He was washed up on some oyster beds. I wanted him to push himself off of them so *I* didn't have to drag his boat off. db |
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Single 250 or Twin 150s?
"JimH" ask wrote in message ... "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message ... "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:46:38 -0400, Rick Kulesh penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: The single offers less hydrodynamic drag than the 2 do, and the 250 is probably about equal to the 2x150s. If you want twins purely for the "reliability" argumant, just get the big single and get a contract with BoatUS/SeaTow/(insert water-assistance company of choice in your area). You'll save a buncha dough and not really sacrifice anything. I don't include BoatUS/SeaTow as part of my planned safety equipment. They are a fall back position for things I can't plan for or take steps to avoid. Redundancies a 2 bilge pumps, 2 VHF radios, 2 engines.... that is planning for the eventual inevitability... You and I are on the same page on that one. 2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster, 2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on... You must have a real problem with things breaking on you. Do you wear suspenders and a belt? ;-) With all these redundancies I have to ask............what size of boat do you have and where do you boat? Near shore or off shore? I owned a old Mako 254 and quite often ventured offshore alone up until last year. I loved that old tub and miss it terribly but grew tired of the constant maintenance on the old beast and quite frankly couldn't justify the $450.00 fill ups anymore. I've since traded it in on a 21' Carolina Skiff and although I don't venture far from shore anymore, I'm still own/carry allot of the same redundant crap I used to. (just in case) Why not? It doesn't cost anything. I also wear a pfd when underway and alone -most of the time. db |
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On Oct 9, 12:34 am, "JimH" ask wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 8, 2:18 pm, "JimH" ask wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:44:38 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: 2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster, 2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on... You must have a real problem with things breaking on you. Do you wear suspenders and a belt? ;-) Gene boats on the ocean, not this pansy Lake Eerie stuff. Gene did not write the post I responded to. Regardless, I doubt that many ocean boaters have the redundancies D-Unit said he carries. ****, I carry an extra gasoline engine, an electric. two paddles, two anchors, two anchor lines with extra chain, two spotlights and three charged flashlights, horns, flares, extra dry clothes, extra glasses both tinted and clear, extra hat, usually two extra lifejackets, two spare throw cushions.. I could go on. And I got a 16 foot boat that has never been more than a half mile from land. I do however boat in congested areas, at night;) I AM coming home... So? My point was the redundant equipment D said he carried. From the looks of your Lake, it looks like you could swim to shore in 5 minutes if you boat sunk. Why the extra gear on such a small boat on such a small lake?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Because I also boat down on the mouth of the CT River, and outside in the Long Island Sound. I tend to find most of my time to fish in the middle of the night or in icy waters... Probably the biggest problem I face though is heavy traffic. If I break down I am laible to get run over by a barge or party boat. As to all the extra gear, I am very slow and don't want to lose a whole night of fishing over a little rain or splash... |
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Single 250 or Twin 150s?
On Oct 9, 10:19 am, HK wrote:
wrote: On Oct 9, 12:34 am, "JimH" ask wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Oct 8, 2:18 pm, "JimH" ask wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message m... On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:44:38 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: 2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster, 2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on... You must have a real problem with things breaking on you. Do you wear suspenders and a belt? ;-) Gene boats on the ocean, not this pansy Lake Eerie stuff. Gene did not write the post I responded to. Regardless, I doubt that many ocean boaters have the redundancies D-Unit said he carries. ****, I carry an extra gasoline engine, an electric. two paddles, two anchors, two anchor lines with extra chain, two spotlights and three charged flashlights, horns, flares, extra dry clothes, extra glasses both tinted and clear, extra hat, usually two extra lifejackets, two spare throw cushions.. I could go on. And I got a 16 foot boat that has never been more than a half mile from land. I do however boat in congested areas, at night;) I AM coming home... So? My point was the redundant equipment D said he carried. From the looks of your Lake, it looks like you could swim to shore in 5 minutes if you boat sunk. Why the extra gear on such a small boat on such a small lake?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Because I also boat down on the mouth of the CT River, and outside in the Long Island Sound. I tend to find most of my time to fish in the middle of the night or in icy waters... Probably the biggest problem I face though is heavy traffic. If I break down I am laible to get run over by a barge or party boat. As to all the extra gear, I am very slow and don't want to lose a whole night of fishing over a little rain or splash... We have some "night fishermen" around here who go out in really small boats and tend to congregate at the edges of some very narrow navigation channels. I'm amazed more of them aren't accidently run down by power cruisers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I get more concerened with paddlers who usually carry no lights or flags. Many times they are painted to get lost in the water too. Why the hell anyone would paddle at night without lights is beyond me... |
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JimH wrote:
"Jack Redington" wrote in message ... Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: JimH wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message m... On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:38:15 -0400, "JimH" ask penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message news:2t6dg3pp2a232o2ou4ij0ke1jpgmm3t0rc@4ax. com... On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:18:47 -0400, Lance Osojnicki penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Howdy, I am looking at a nice 25' center console fishing boat that weighs 3700 pounds dry and without power. Will a Suzuki 250 be enough get up and go or will a pair of 150s be necessary? I think 3700 is pretty light for a 25' CC compared to a Grady or Mako. Thoughts? My piggy bank would like to say single. The principle reason to go with twins is redundancy. Your piggy bank and your level of comfort with losing either some or *all* power will have to come to terms..... -- Another major reason for twins is maneuverability. Twin outboards are usually placed so close together that there is very little benefit in the minute amount of asymmetrical thrust that can be produced. My twins were on boats with I/O's. I could pivot either of them on a dime and could easily stern in when docking. My single drives (I/O's also) could not and my ability to maneuver in reverse was/is a bit challenging. I could not imagine trying to stern in with an single I/O. If there is in fact no advantage in maneuverability between single and twin outboards (vs. when comparing with I/O's or inboards) perhaps it is due to where the drives sit in relationship to the pivot point of the boat and not the space between the drives. There is a world of difference between close quarter maneuverability with an I/O and a inboard. You really should be able to turn and/or stern in that small runabout easily. You probably forgot how to use a single I/O after using twins. You need to have someone review the basics and find out how easy it is. I have never had twins on anything, Backing down with a io is a no problem at all. just like backing down with a outboard. Capt Jack R.. I never said it was a problem. I did say that there is a world of difference with close quarter maneuverability between twins and single drives. Take a boat out with twins and your opinion will change about the maneuverability difference. I was not saying twins do not do well in close quarters. While I have never had a boat had them. I have a uncle that had a 44 ft Trojan. I could not beleive how he could get that thing in the slip he had. The gas dock at the marina was right in front of his slip. Heck you could not even see it when he pulled it out. After moving out it would turn on a dime. And the same when he backed it in. My brother currently has a 37ft crusier and it does nice as well. Another buddy has a 33ft go-fast with io's. When he does tight moves he leaves the drives straight out and just works the controls to get the same effect. All I was saying is that on io or outboards I have not had trouble backing down. We had a 21ft cuddy (io) that I was always backing into a slip. That made it easy to get out, and somtimes on short docks it was the only way to go. Now only over one weekend did I run a skiboat with direct drive. While I really did not have alot of time to get use to it. I found it a beast to back it down. The helm would not answer and it would just want to turn to port. Maybe with a little more time I would have figured it out. :-) Capt Jack R.. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is very very easy. And the secret is: Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20 mph. Eisboch Can't recall any real high wind events with backing down a single io. But I have been chased off the lake a few times by storms so it may have happened. Just nothing really comes to mind. I know I have used the wind to help me out. You just got to plan for it. Capt Jack R.. |
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Reginald,
Feel free to divulge this info anytime. Since I frequently head out in stronger winds, I'm supposing I already execute this but don't "Know" it, per say. I'd like to know for sure, though. "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is very very easy. And the secret is: Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20 mph. Eisboch While 20 mph will make it challenging, I would assume it would effect twins also. If you are in a little runabout, they do not have as much freeboard as your GB, so I would think they are not effected as much as your GB, even with your displacement hull. I would assume 20mph wants to blow you all over the place. But that isn't the secret I was talking about. :) |
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