Chuck Gould wrote:
To my conservative friends, please look beyond the fact that this
amendment is sponsored by a Democrat and if your senator serves on the
Senate Commerce Committee please consider urging her or him to support
the amendment. Voting is scheduled for early this PM. Thanks.....

Dear BoatUS Member,

WE NEED YOU TO MAKE A PHONE CALL!

Yesterday, BoatUS Government Affairs learned about a fast-moving
opportunity that could offer a potential solution to the EPA boat
discharge permit issue. We need you to pick up the phone and call your
Senator (who serves on the 23-member Senate Commerce Committee), and
urge them to vote "Yes" for Senator Nelson's amendment to Senate Bill
1578.

This vote takes place on Thursday September 27 at 2:30 pm (Eastern
time).

It is critical that you call now.

Background:
As a result of a 2006 court decision, the EPA is required to develop
and implement a permit system before September 30, 2008 for all normal
operational discharges from every vessel in the U.S. Unfortunately,
while the real focus of the court case was the ballast water and
resulting aquatic nuisance species from ocean-going ships, every
vessel in the U.S. was included in the EPA mandate.

BoatUS has been working with others in the boating industry to pass
federal legislation (H.R. 2550 and S. 2067) to exempt recreational
boats from this permit. (For more information see
http://www.boatus.com/gov/dischargepermits.asp). Senator Nelson's
amendment offers another opportunity to address this problem.

What is Senator Nelson's Amendment?
Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) has proposed an amendment to Senate Bill
1578 (The Ballast Water Management Act of 2007). The amendment would
require a study on the incidental discharges from vessels, and an
exemption from federal permitting for all normal operational
discharges from vessels (except aquatic nuisance species). Existing
restrictions on the overboard discharge of oil/fuel, garbage, and
sewage would remain.

So what do I need to do?
Right now, call your federal Senator (listed below). Tell the person
answering the phone you are calling in reference to Senate Bill 1578.



Ask the Senator (or their staff) to vote "Yes" for the Nelson
Amendment to Senate Bill 1578 on Ballast Water. Help them know the
urgent timing - the vote is at 2:30 Thursday (Eastern time) at the
Commerce Committee markup in room SR 253.)


Help them understand how important boating is to you and your family.


Help them know your concern if this amendment does not pass and you
are required to have a permit for each of your boats, in each state
where you want to boat.


Quickly forward this email to your boating friends and club members.




Sincerely,

Margaret Podlich

BoatUS Government Affairs

703-461-2864 or 703-461-2878 x8363



*****
Where does it confine the postponement to just recreational boats?
Looks like a scam to allow the ontinued dumping of zebra musssels, spiny
water fleas, round gobys et al in the great lakes.


--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”

"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
...


*****
Where does it confine the postponement to just recreational boats? Looks
like a scam to allow the ontinued dumping of zebra musssels, spiny water
fleas, round gobys et al in the great lakes.
Del Cecchi


And how will a permit keep ships from dumping these things?

"JimH" ask wrote in message
...

"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
To my conservative friends, please look beyond the fact that this
amendment is sponsored by a Democrat and if your senator serves on the
Senate Commerce Committee please consider urging her or him to support
the amendment. Voting is scheduled for early this PM. Thanks.....

Dear BoatUS Member,

WE NEED YOU TO MAKE A PHONE CALL!

Yesterday, BoatUS Government Affairs learned about a fast-moving
opportunity that could offer a potential solution to the EPA boat
discharge permit issue. We need you to pick up the phone and call your
Senator (who serves on the 23-member Senate Commerce Committee), and
urge them to vote "Yes" for Senator Nelson's amendment to Senate Bill
1578.

This vote takes place on Thursday September 27 at 2:30 pm (Eastern
time).

It is critical that you call now.

Background:
As a result of a 2006 court decision, the EPA is required to develop
and implement a permit system before September 30, 2008 for all normal
operational discharges from every vessel in the U.S. Unfortunately,
while the real focus of the court case was the ballast water and
resulting aquatic nuisance species from ocean-going ships, every
vessel in the U.S. was included in the EPA mandate.

BoatUS has been working with others in the boating industry to pass
federal legislation (H.R. 2550 and S. 2067) to exempt recreational
boats from this permit. (For more information see
http://www.boatus.com/gov/dischargepermits.asp). Senator Nelson's
amendment offers another opportunity to address this problem.

What is Senator Nelson's Amendment?
Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) has proposed an amendment to Senate Bill
1578 (The Ballast Water Management Act of 2007). The amendment would
require a study on the incidental discharges from vessels, and an
exemption from federal permitting for all normal operational
discharges from vessels (except aquatic nuisance species). Existing
restrictions on the overboard discharge of oil/fuel, garbage, and
sewage would remain.

So what do I need to do?
Right now, call your federal Senator (listed below). Tell the person
answering the phone you are calling in reference to Senate Bill 1578.



Ask the Senator (or their staff) to vote "Yes" for the Nelson
Amendment to Senate Bill 1578 on Ballast Water. Help them know the
urgent timing - the vote is at 2:30 Thursday (Eastern time) at the
Commerce Committee markup in room SR 253.)


Help them understand how important boating is to you and your family.


Help them know your concern if this amendment does not pass and you
are required to have a permit for each of your boats, in each state
where you want to boat.


Quickly forward this email to your boating friends and club members.




Sincerely,

Margaret Podlich

BoatUS Government Affairs

703-461-2864 or 703-461-2878 x8363



*****
Where does it confine the postponement to just recreational boats? Looks
like a scam to allow the ontinued dumping of zebra musssels, spiny water
fleas, round gobys et al in the great lakes.


--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”


While perch fishing last week I caught a goby. Man, those are some ugly
fish!

The NY DEC has an interesting policy for those fish: If you catch them,
please kill them by whatever means is convenient. It's too late for that to
help much in Lake Ontario, but it's still satisfying.

On Sep 27, 11:01 am, Del Cecchi wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
To my conservative friends, please look beyond the fact that this
amendment is sponsored by a Democrat and if your senator serves on the
Senate Commerce Committee please consider urging her or him to support
the amendment. Voting is scheduled for early this PM. Thanks.....

Dear BoatUS Member,

WE NEED YOU TO MAKE A PHONE CALL!

Yesterday, BoatUS Government Affairs learned about a fast-moving
opportunity that could offer a potential solution to the EPA boat
discharge permit issue. We need you to pick up the phone and call your
Senator (who serves on the 23-member Senate Commerce Committee), and
urge them to vote "Yes" for Senator Nelson's amendment to Senate Bill
1578.

This vote takes place on Thursday September 27 at 2:30 pm (Eastern
time).

It is critical that you call now.

Background:
As a result of a 2006 court decision, the EPA is required to develop
and implement a permit system before September 30, 2008 for all normal
operational discharges from every vessel in the U.S. Unfortunately,
while the real focus of the court case was the ballast water and
resulting aquatic nuisance species from ocean-going ships, every
vessel in the U.S. was included in the EPA mandate.

BoatUS has been working with others in the boating industry to pass
federal legislation (H.R. 2550 and S. 2067) to exempt recreational
boats from this permit. (For more information see
http://www.boatus.com/gov/dischargepermits.asp). Senator Nelson's
amendment offers another opportunity to address this problem.

What is Senator Nelson's Amendment?
Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) has proposed an amendment to Senate Bill
1578 (The Ballast Water Management Act of 2007). The amendment would
require a study on the incidental discharges from vessels, and an
exemption from federal permitting for all normal operational
discharges from vessels (except aquatic nuisance species). Existing
restrictions on the overboard discharge of oil/fuel, garbage, and
sewage would remain.

So what do I need to do?
Right now, call your federal Senator (listed below). Tell the person
answering the phone you are calling in reference to Senate Bill 1578.

Ask the Senator (or their staff) to vote "Yes" for the Nelson
Amendment to Senate Bill 1578 on Ballast Water. Help them know the
urgent timing - the vote is at 2:30 Thursday (Eastern time) at the
Commerce Committee markup in room SR 253.)

Help them understand how important boating is to you and your family.

Help them know your concern if this amendment does not pass and you
are required to have a permit for each of your boats, in each state
where you want to boat.

Quickly forward this email to your boating friends and club members.

Sincerely,

Margaret Podlich

BoatUS Government Affairs

703-461-2864 or 703-461-2878 x8363

*****

Where does it confine the postponement to just recreational boats?
Looks like a scam to allow the ontinued dumping of zebra musssels, spiny
water fleas, round gobys et al in the great lakes.

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn't necessarily represent IBM's positions,
strategies or opinions."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you stating that the Boat US description of the amendment
(specifically the Boat US claim that dumping aquatic nuisance species,
oil and gas, garbage and sewage would remain prohibited) is false?

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:57:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
. ..
In message , Larry sprach
forth the following:

Senator Jim De Mint South Carolina (202)224-6121


Done. Talked to Jim, himself, for about 4 minutes. Of course, he
wouldn't commit one way or the other before putting his finger in the
air to sense the breeze of corporate campaign money from the lobbyists,
who control his vote not the people of South Carolina, just like the
rest of them.

You Neocon Republican boaters need to make a note that the senator who
sponsored the amendment to save your ass is a DEMOCAN, not a
Republicrat, which I find very enlightening. His boat lobby stands to
lose a bundle, I suppose.

You may have DeMint (R-SC) confused with DeWine (former R-OH). DeMint is
one of the Senate's few pork-busters, and he even took the classical Davey
Crockett position on federal disaster "relief" (i.e.: it's ineffective and
unconstitutional).

What does he think the government should do if, for instance, an entire
community is wiped out by a storm, fire, or whatever?


Plant alfalfa?

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:41:49 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:57:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
. ..
In message , Larry sprach
forth the following:

Senator Jim De Mint South Carolina (202)224-6121


Done. Talked to Jim, himself, for about 4 minutes. Of course, he
wouldn't commit one way or the other before putting his finger in the
air to sense the breeze of corporate campaign money from the lobbyists,
who control his vote not the people of South Carolina, just like the
rest of them.

You Neocon Republican boaters need to make a note that the senator who
sponsored the amendment to save your ass is a DEMOCAN, not a
Republicrat, which I find very enlightening. His boat lobby stands to
lose a bundle, I suppose.

You may have DeMint (R-SC) confused with DeWine (former R-OH). DeMint
is
one of the Senate's few pork-busters, and he even took the classical
Davey
Crockett position on federal disaster "relief" (i.e.: it's ineffective
and
unconstitutional).

What does he think the government should do if, for instance, an entire
community is wiped out by a storm, fire, or whatever?


Plant alfalfa?

Great. The newsgroup drunk checks in early today. Hi, John.


Hi back. Where did the 'drunk' bit come from? Hell, I haven't imbibed
anything stronger than Metamucil for almost twenty years.

Are you sneaking something into the water supply, or are you just at a loss
for names to call? Here, this will add spice to your life, even though
Harry will probably charge me a penny for using it!

*****************************
Here's yet another of the many daily attacks from "Doug Kanter",
a frequent rec.boats poster, and if you count them up, you will see how
little he adds here in boating/fishing content or interesting reading.
*****************************

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:00:49 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .


*****************************
Here's yet another of the many daily attacks from "Doug Kanter",
a frequent rec.boats poster, and if you count them up, you will see how
little he adds here in boating/fishing content or interesting reading.
*****************************

Don't say inane things, and I won't jump all over you. Deal?

No. Your inanities get what they deserve.


How that Whaler?


It's a Key West. This one: http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/186cc.html

Hasn't been built yet.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in news:boSKi.17591
:

And how will a permit keep ships from dumping these things?



Same effect as a gun permit keeping people from blowing each other's heads
off....it fattens the bankers holding the national debt.

Larry
--
Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
The ultimate dirty bomb......

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
...
In message , JoeSpareBedroom
sprach forth the following:

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
...
In message , Larry
sprach forth the following:

Senator Jim De Mint South Carolina (202)224-6121


Done. Talked to Jim, himself, for about 4 minutes. Of course, he
wouldn't commit one way or the other before putting his finger in the
air to sense the breeze of corporate campaign money from the
lobbyists, who control his vote not the people of South Carolina,
just like the rest of them.

You Neocon Republican boaters need to make a note that the senator
who sponsored the amendment to save your ass is a DEMOCAN, not a
Republicrat, which I find very enlightening. His boat lobby stands
to lose a bundle, I suppose.

You may have DeMint (R-SC) confused with DeWine (former R-OH). DeMint
is one of the Senate's few pork-busters, and he even took the
classical Davey Crockett position on federal disaster "relief" (i.e.:
it's ineffective and unconstitutional).

What does he think the government should do if, for instance, an entire
community is wiped out by a storm, fire, or whatever?

Follow the tenth amendment. You know, that pesky "Constitution" thingy.

Here's the Crockett story; it's obvious you need some learnin':

http://truebluenz.orcon.net.nz/newfile6.html#medea

No time right now.

What *SHOULD* the government do? Nothing at all?

Yes or no?

Should the government do nothing at all?

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:57:18 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
. ..
In message , JoeSpareBedroom
sprach forth the following:

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
...
In message , Larry
sprach forth the following:

Senator Jim De Mint South Carolina (202)224-6121


Done. Talked to Jim, himself, for about 4 minutes. Of course, he
wouldn't commit one way or the other before putting his finger in the
air to sense the breeze of corporate campaign money from the
lobbyists, who control his vote not the people of South Carolina,
just like the rest of them.

You Neocon Republican boaters need to make a note that the senator
who sponsored the amendment to save your ass is a DEMOCAN, not a
Republicrat, which I find very enlightening. His boat lobby stands
to lose a bundle, I suppose.

You may have DeMint (R-SC) confused with DeWine (former R-OH). DeMint
is one of the Senate's few pork-busters, and he even took the
classical Davey Crockett position on federal disaster "relief" (i.e.:
it's ineffective and unconstitutional).

What does he think the government should do if, for instance, an entire
community is wiped out by a storm, fire, or whatever?

Follow the tenth amendment. You know, that pesky "Constitution" thingy.

Here's the Crockett story; it's obvious you need some learnin':

http://truebluenz.orcon.net.nz/newfile6.html#medea

No time right now.

What *SHOULD* the government do? Nothing at all?

Yes or no?

Should the government do nothing at all?


The community is gone - people, buildings, everything.

Plant alfalfa.