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Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.
A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com... Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Sounds like a law that's not quite focused. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
Chuck Gould wrote:
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor is banning boats larger houseboats. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
"HK" wrote in message
... Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor is banning boats larger houseboats. Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size? This question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information is accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have issues with sanitation, or just houseboats? |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
On Sep 24, 7:32 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor is banning boats larger houseboats. Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size? This question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information is accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have issues with sanitation, or just houseboats?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Remember, people live in anything down there, I have lived in Bama' some of the dwellings I saw would not be acceptable as sheds here in the NE.. This is probably more local than we know. These boats must be the ones stirring up problems, cigarette boats,the problems are obvious, with the houseboats, you could be having an influx of permanant residences being estalished on the lakes, the locals could be trying to slow this down... |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor is banning boats larger houseboats. Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size? This question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information is accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have issues with sanitation, or just houseboats? Having never actually been to Alabama, I make my pronouncements on that state from the same position of knowledge and authority as some of our posters here who have never owned a boat. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a certainty. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
Remember, people live in anything down there, I have lived in Bama'
some of the dwellings I saw would not be acceptable as sheds here in the NE.. This is probably more local than we know. These boats must be the ones stirring up problems, cigarette boats,the problems are obvious, with the houseboats, you could be having an influx of permanant residences being estalished on the lakes, the locals could be trying to slow this down... It's obvious that you haven't seen the homes around these lakes in recent times. There are no "sheds" on the shores of any of these lakes. Far from it. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
William Bruce wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a certainty. Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his "disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin color and background mean he isn't going to be fair? |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
"HK" wrote in message
. .. William Bruce wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a certainty. Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his "disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin color and background mean he isn't going to be fair? Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward him due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he makes. Use your imagination. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
"William Bruce" wrote
There are no "sheds" on the shores of any of these lakes. Which is probably why they don't want floating sheds roaming around in their back yards. I suspect justafrekin is on the right track, that somebody wanted to address some specific problems but ended up with this poorly crafted solution. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
et... "William Bruce" wrote There are no "sheds" on the shores of any of these lakes. Which is probably why they don't want floating sheds roaming around in their back yards. I suspect justafrekin is on the right track, that somebody wanted to address some specific problems but ended up with this poorly crafted solution. Yeah. How about a speed limit that makes cig boats useless to own? |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
Chuck Gould wrote in
oups.com: Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. Nothing new. South Carolina has a law granting 1 mile to seaward to every little island fiefdom, all run by the real estate politicians, in the state. Out 1 mile from any of them, a simple city ordinance can now ban boating, entirely, if the waterfront property owners and land developers simply flex their muscles. Hilton Head Island's billionaires were the first to flex. http://www.hiltonheadisland.com/beach.htm http://www.hiltonheadislandsc.gov/Forms/BOATAPP.pdf If the city likes your boat, you can land it on the beach for $120, after they inspect it, of course, to see if it meets their snooty standards. Isn't that nice of them? And don't be anchoring your floating RV out in front of my mansion! I paid big money for this little piece of swamp and I'll be damned if we're gonna let you anchor out there and block the view FOR FREE! Larry -- Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium" The ultimate dirty bomb...... |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. William Bruce wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a certainty. Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his "disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin color and background mean he isn't going to be fair? Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward him due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he makes. Use your imagination. Ahhh. I suppose that's one of the reasons why I've never been to Alabama, and, goddess-willing, will maintain that standing. Judging people on the basis of race is so...backwards. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in news:lfNJi.17386
: Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size? Somebody with power has a 42' sailboat? Aren't all laws written with certain powerful interests in mind?? Duhh....(c; Larry -- Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium" The ultimate dirty bomb...... |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
"HK" wrote in message
. .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. William Bruce wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a certainty. Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his "disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin color and background mean he isn't going to be fair? Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward him due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he makes. Use your imagination. Ahhh. I suppose that's one of the reasons why I've never been to Alabama, and, goddess-willing, will maintain that standing. Judging people on the basis of race is so...backwards. Yes. Everyone is that way down there. Absolutely everyone. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
Larry wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote in oups.com: Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. Nothing new. South Carolina has a law granting 1 mile to seaward to every little island fiefdom, all run by the real estate politicians, in the state. Out 1 mile from any of them, a simple city ordinance can now ban boating, entirely, if the waterfront property owners and land developers simply flex their muscles. Hilton Head Island's billionaires were the first to flex. http://www.hiltonheadisland.com/beach.htm http://www.hiltonheadislandsc.gov/Forms/BOATAPP.pdf If the city likes your boat, you can land it on the beach for $120, after they inspect it, of course, to see if it meets their snooty standards. Isn't that nice of them? And don't be anchoring your floating RV out in front of my mansion! I paid big money for this little piece of swamp and I'll be damned if we're gonna let you anchor out there and block the view FOR FREE! Larry Well, Larry, it does help keep the riff-raff out. :} |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
"Larry" wrote in message
... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in news:lfNJi.17386 : Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size? Somebody with power has a 42' sailboat? Aren't all laws written with certain powerful interests in mind?? Duhh....(c; Larry Depends on the goal of the law, I guess. Without reading it, nobody in this discussion knows the truth. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. William Bruce wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a certainty. Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his "disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin color and background mean he isn't going to be fair? Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward him due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he makes. Use your imagination. Ahhh. I suppose that's one of the reasons why I've never been to Alabama, and, goddess-willing, will maintain that standing. Judging people on the basis of race is so...backwards. Yes. Everyone is that way down there. Absolutely everyone. Hey. I'm not prejuiced :}. I've been to Texas and even Mississippi. I do love Louisiana. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:13:20 -0400, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote: "William Bruce" wrote There are no "sheds" on the shores of any of these lakes. Which is probably why they don't want floating sheds roaming around in their back yards. I suspect justafrekin is on the right track, that somebody wanted to address some specific problems but ended up with this poorly crafted solution. If you read the original post it appears that then law was passed in order to get some developer to build a bunch of condos on the lake. Now why would you grossly over pay for one of their condos if you could grossly over pay for a houseboat instead? ;-) Those with condos on the lake are less likely to want a houseboat on the lake and if they don't want one they don't want anyone else to have one. Dave Hall |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
On Sep 24, 8:13 am, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote: "William Bruce" wrote There are no "sheds" on the shores of any of these lakes. Which is probably why they don't want floating sheds roaming around in their back yards. I suspect justafrekin is on the right track, that somebody wanted to address some specific problems but ended up with this poorly crafted solution. Exactly! |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
On Sep 24, 8:42 am, Dave Hall wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:13:20 -0400, "Ernest Scribbler" wrote: "William Bruce" wrote There are no "sheds" on the shores of any of these lakes. Which is probably why they don't want floating sheds roaming around in their back yards. I suspect justafrekin is on the right track, that somebody wanted to address some specific problems but ended up with this poorly crafted solution. If you read the original post it appears that then law was passed in order to get some developer to build a bunch of condos on the lake. Now why would you grossly over pay for one of their condos if you could grossly over pay for a houseboat instead? ;-) Those with condos on the lake are less likely to want a houseboat on the lake and if they don't want one they don't want anyone else to have one. Dave Hall "and if they don't want one they don't want anyone else to have one" Ding, ding, ding... and we have a winner folks! |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:08:18 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Sounds like a law that's not quite focused. Sounds like an HOA on the horizon that want to make sure that nobody is out of step..... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
... On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:08:18 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Sounds like a law that's not quite focused. Sounds like an HOA on the horizon that want to make sure that nobody is out of step..... Well, they need to separate the rules by safety and "other". There are lakes around here that are full of modest little cottages, owned by people who aren't rich at all. They've established speed limits that are viciously enforced because the lakes are crowded. There's nothing wrong with that. I *never* see cigarette-type boats on those lakes, I suppose because there's no point in owning one if the speed limit's 30 mph. As far as what's ugly...that's another issue. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:15:25 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: As far as what's ugly...that's another issue. And a bit subjective..... that just might be the problem! -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
... On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:15:25 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: As far as what's ugly...that's another issue. And a bit subjective..... that just might be the problem! Exactly. Then there's the issue of sewage. I wonder why they're focusing on one category of boat, as far as sanitation systems. Here, NO boat can discharge toilet refuse, although there might be a distance limit for those in the middle of Lake Ontario. I wonder if Alabama has no such rules in place. Could they really be so backward? |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
On Sep 24, 4:24?am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor is banning boats larger houseboats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It's reasonable to ban superfast *operation* on small lakes. It makes more sense to regulate behavior in the interest of safety or other legitimate public concerns than to dictate what type of property somebody can own. Cigarette boats "rated for over 60 mph" are banned, but if your boat will only do 59 mph you're OK? If they put a speed limit on the lake, the fastest boats would relocate. I think the two clues in the story are; 1. One of the private party plaintiffs for homeowners around the lake claims "this is what 95% of the property owners want" and 2. A resort development company has expressed an interest in acquiring and developing property around the lakes provided that "boating is restricted." |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
On Sep 24, 4:40?am, wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:32 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor is banning boats larger houseboats. Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size? This question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information is accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have issues with sanitation, or just houseboats?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Remember, people live in anything down there, I have lived in Bama' some of the dwellings I saw would not be acceptable as sheds here in the NE.. This is probably more local than we know. These boats must be the ones stirring up problems, cigarette boats,the problems are obvious, with the houseboats, you could be having an influx of permanant residences being estalished on the lakes, the locals could be trying to slow this down...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I found this site for one of the lakes. http://www.lakewedowee.info/Boating.asp It's a long skinny lake that branches off into what were once a series of valleys and gullies before they put in the dam. As such, there must be 100 miles of "shoreline", but according to the map I'd estimate that it would be possible to run about 20 miles from one end to the other, assuming it's all navigable. (One portion is supposed to be 780 feet deep). The shoreline is *not* lined with residences, at least not in the couple of photos shown on this site. The power company owns a lot of the real estate, (according to the AP article), and much of the rest is apparently undeveloped rural land. There are about 8 boat ramps listed for the lake, but no actual "marinas". Those rural homeowners are apparently looking for a big payday from the company that has expressed an interest in developing land if boating is "restricted". I guess I can see where the resort company would be in 7th heaven with 60 virgins if they went so far as to close the boat ramps as well. If boating gets "restricted" enough and it's done just right, nobody will be able to boat on the lake without first renting or chartering a boat from the resort. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com... On Sep 24, 4:40?am, wrote: On Sep 24, 7:32 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor is banning boats larger houseboats. Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size? This question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information is accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have issues with sanitation, or just houseboats?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Remember, people live in anything down there, I have lived in Bama' some of the dwellings I saw would not be acceptable as sheds here in the NE.. This is probably more local than we know. These boats must be the ones stirring up problems, cigarette boats,the problems are obvious, with the houseboats, you could be having an influx of permanant residences being estalished on the lakes, the locals could be trying to slow this down...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I found this site for one of the lakes. http://www.lakewedowee.info/Boating.asp It's a long skinny lake that branches off into what were once a series of valleys and gullies before they put in the dam. As such, there must be 100 miles of "shoreline", but according to the map I'd estimate that it would be possible to run about 20 miles from one end to the other, assuming it's all navigable. (One portion is supposed to be 780 feet deep). The shoreline is *not* lined with residences, at least not in the couple of photos shown on this site. The power company owns a lot of the real estate, (according to the AP article), and much of the rest is apparently undeveloped rural land. There are about 8 boat ramps listed for the lake, but no actual "marinas". Those rural homeowners are apparently looking for a big payday from the company that has expressed an interest in developing land if boating is "restricted". I guess I can see where the resort company would be in 7th heaven with 60 virgins if they went so far as to close the boat ramps as well. If boating gets "restricted" enough and it's done just right, nobody will be able to boat on the lake without first renting or chartering a boat from the resort. This is when "other interests" should do whatever it takes, including hiring a private investigator, to find out which town board members are going to profit from the proposed changes. There is ALWAYS someone with a funnel in their pocket on town boards. Always. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 24, 4:40?am, wrote: On Sep 24, 7:32 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor is banning boats larger houseboats. Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size? This question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information is accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have issues with sanitation, or just houseboats?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Remember, people live in anything down there, I have lived in Bama' some of the dwellings I saw would not be acceptable as sheds here in the NE.. This is probably more local than we know. These boats must be the ones stirring up problems, cigarette boats,the problems are obvious, with the houseboats, you could be having an influx of permanant residences being estalished on the lakes, the locals could be trying to slow this down...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I found this site for one of the lakes. http://www.lakewedowee.info/Boating.asp It's a long skinny lake that branches off into what were once a series of valleys and gullies before they put in the dam. As such, there must be 100 miles of "shoreline", but according to the map I'd estimate that it would be possible to run about 20 miles from one end to the other, assuming it's all navigable. (One portion is supposed to be 780 feet deep). The shoreline is *not* lined with residences, at least not in the couple of photos shown on this site. The power company owns a lot of the real estate, (according to the AP article), and much of the rest is apparently undeveloped rural land. There are about 8 boat ramps listed for the lake, but no actual "marinas". Those rural homeowners are apparently looking for a big payday from the company that has expressed an interest in developing land if boating is "restricted". I guess I can see where the resort company would be in 7th heaven with 60 virgins if they went so far as to close the boat ramps as well. If boating gets "restricted" enough and it's done just right, nobody will be able to boat on the lake without first renting or chartering a boat from the resort. This is when "other interests" should do whatever it takes, including hiring a private investigator, to find out which town board members are going to profit from the proposed changes. There is ALWAYS someone with a funnel in their pocket on town boards. Always. They got more money than the local for PI's. Just like Lake Tahoe where 2 strokes, except on sailboats, are banned. Steve Wynn, the billionaire casino owner has / had a house at the north end of the lake. He took exception to a jetskier by his house and tried to get jetski's banned. Can't do that as they are also boats, so the 2 stroke ban was passed. But Mr. Wynn ran a triple engine cigarette type boat you could hear 5 miles away. The golden ruld, he whoes got the gold rules. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
"HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. William Bruce wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a certainty. Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his "disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin color and background mean he isn't going to be fair? Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward him due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he makes. Use your imagination. Ahhh. I suppose that's one of the reasons why I've never been to Alabama, and, goddess-willing, will maintain that standing. Judging people on the basis of race is so...backwards. Yes. Everyone is that way down there. Absolutely everyone. Hey. I'm not prejuiced :}. I've been to Texas and even Mississippi. I do love Louisiana. And there is no racism in the Northeast? |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 24, 4:40?am, wrote: On Sep 24, 7:32 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor is banning boats larger houseboats. Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size? This question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information is accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have issues with sanitation, or just houseboats?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Remember, people live in anything down there, I have lived in Bama' some of the dwellings I saw would not be acceptable as sheds here in the NE.. This is probably more local than we know. These boats must be the ones stirring up problems, cigarette boats,the problems are obvious, with the houseboats, you could be having an influx of permanant residences being estalished on the lakes, the locals could be trying to slow this down...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I found this site for one of the lakes. http://www.lakewedowee.info/Boating.asp It's a long skinny lake that branches off into what were once a series of valleys and gullies before they put in the dam. As such, there must be 100 miles of "shoreline", but according to the map I'd estimate that it would be possible to run about 20 miles from one end to the other, assuming it's all navigable. (One portion is supposed to be 780 feet deep). The shoreline is *not* lined with residences, at least not in the couple of photos shown on this site. The power company owns a lot of the real estate, (according to the AP article), and much of the rest is apparently undeveloped rural land. There are about 8 boat ramps listed for the lake, but no actual "marinas". Those rural homeowners are apparently looking for a big payday from the company that has expressed an interest in developing land if boating is "restricted". I guess I can see where the resort company would be in 7th heaven with 60 virgins if they went so far as to close the boat ramps as well. If boating gets "restricted" enough and it's done just right, nobody will be able to boat on the lake without first renting or chartering a boat from the resort. This is when "other interests" should do whatever it takes, including hiring a private investigator, to find out which town board members are going to profit from the proposed changes. There is ALWAYS someone with a funnel in their pocket on town boards. Always. They got more money than the local for PI's. Just like Lake Tahoe where 2 strokes, except on sailboats, are banned. Steve Wynn, the billionaire casino owner has / had a house at the north end of the lake. He took exception to a jetskier by his house and tried to get jetski's banned. Can't do that as they are also boats, so the 2 stroke ban was passed. But Mr. Wynn ran a triple engine cigarette type boat you could hear 5 miles away. The golden ruld, he whoes got the gold rules. Finding out who's invested in a partnership to develop land - that's actually easy, but most of us probably don't have the time to find out. With that information in hand, the rest is a breeze. Go to town board meetings and make all kinds of noise about conflicts of interest. Even politicians can be embarrassed to the point of quitting. Of course, some people wouldn't see a conflict of interest. One of our town board members was behind the push for a shopping mall here many years ago. "It'll be terrific for the community!" Just one problem: He owned the land that would be sold to the developer. Nobody blinked an eye. The mall is 90% vacant. Nothing but an eyesore. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. William Bruce wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a certainty. Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his "disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin color and background mean he isn't going to be fair? Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward him due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he makes. Use your imagination. Ahhh. I suppose that's one of the reasons why I've never been to Alabama, and, goddess-willing, will maintain that standing. Judging people on the basis of race is so...backwards. Yes. Everyone is that way down there. Absolutely everyone. Hey. I'm not prejuiced :}. I've been to Texas and even Mississippi. I do love Louisiana. And there is no racism in the Northeast? Nah, there is no racism across the Mason Dixon Line. No matter what stories you hear about racism in Baltimore, NYC, Boston etc you hear, they are all lies. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:59:09 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. William Bruce wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a certainty. Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his "disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin color and background mean he isn't going to be fair? Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward him due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he makes. Use your imagination. Ahhh. I suppose that's one of the reasons why I've never been to Alabama, and, goddess-willing, will maintain that standing. Judging people on the basis of race is so...backwards. Yes. Everyone is that way down there. Absolutely everyone. Hey. I'm not prejuiced :}. I've been to Texas and even Mississippi. I do love Louisiana. And there is no racism in the Northeast? Nah, there is no racism across the Mason Dixon Line. No matter what stories you hear about racism in Baltimore, NYC, Boston etc you hear, they are all lies. But I wouldn't go for a late evening stroll up 14th Street or through northeast D.C.! That is not racism, that is economic diversity. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:59:09 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Nah, there is no racism across the Mason Dixon Line. No matter what stories you hear about racism in Baltimore, NYC, Boston etc you hear, they are all lies. I'm sure there is enough racism to go around on both sides of the Mason Dixon Line, but Baltimore is on the southern side. The Mason Dixon Line demarcated Pennsylvania's southern border, and Delaware's western border. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:59:09 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. William Bruce wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a certainty. Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his "disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin color and background mean he isn't going to be fair? Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward him due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he makes. Use your imagination. Ahhh. I suppose that's one of the reasons why I've never been to Alabama, and, goddess-willing, will maintain that standing. Judging people on the basis of race is so...backwards. Yes. Everyone is that way down there. Absolutely everyone. Hey. I'm not prejuiced :}. I've been to Texas and even Mississippi. I do love Louisiana. And there is no racism in the Northeast? Nah, there is no racism across the Mason Dixon Line. No matter what stories you hear about racism in Baltimore, NYC, Boston etc you hear, they are all lies. But I wouldn't go for a late evening stroll up 14th Street or through northeast D.C.! |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
Calif Bill wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Chuck Gould" wrote in message roups.com... On Sep 24, 4:40?am, wrote: On Sep 24, 7:32 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents. A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake can decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake. ************* MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama lakes. Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would rule shortly after receiving them. In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed - legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co . lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee. Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats, longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste from getting into the lakes. Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling. "We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several boat owners on Lake Martin. Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water for specific uses much like it does land. Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it has an interest in protecting property values and property uses because it is a significant landowner at the lakes. The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided boating restrictions were enacted. Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor is banning boats larger houseboats. Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size? This question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information is accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have issues with sanitation, or just houseboats?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Remember, people live in anything down there, I have lived in Bama' some of the dwellings I saw would not be acceptable as sheds here in the NE.. This is probably more local than we know. These boats must be the ones stirring up problems, cigarette boats,the problems are obvious, with the houseboats, you could be having an influx of permanant residences being estalished on the lakes, the locals could be trying to slow this down...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I found this site for one of the lakes. http://www.lakewedowee.info/Boating.asp It's a long skinny lake that branches off into what were once a series of valleys and gullies before they put in the dam. As such, there must be 100 miles of "shoreline", but according to the map I'd estimate that it would be possible to run about 20 miles from one end to the other, assuming it's all navigable. (One portion is supposed to be 780 feet deep). The shoreline is *not* lined with residences, at least not in the couple of photos shown on this site. The power company owns a lot of the real estate, (according to the AP article), and much of the rest is apparently undeveloped rural land. There are about 8 boat ramps listed for the lake, but no actual "marinas". Those rural homeowners are apparently looking for a big payday from the company that has expressed an interest in developing land if boating is "restricted". I guess I can see where the resort company would be in 7th heaven with 60 virgins if they went so far as to close the boat ramps as well. If boating gets "restricted" enough and it's done just right, nobody will be able to boat on the lake without first renting or chartering a boat from the resort. This is when "other interests" should do whatever it takes, including hiring a private investigator, to find out which town board members are going to profit from the proposed changes. There is ALWAYS someone with a funnel in their pocket on town boards. Always. They got more money than the local for PI's. Just like Lake Tahoe where 2 strokes, except on sailboats, are banned. Steve Wynn, the billionaire casino owner has / had a house at the north end of the lake. He took exception to a jetskier by his house and tried to get jetski's banned. Can't do that as they are also boats, so the 2 stroke ban was passed. But Mr. Wynn ran a triple engine cigarette type boat you could hear 5 miles away. The golden ruld, he whoes got the gold rules. While the "Golden Rule" aspect of I am sure is true. The "usage pressure" that we see on many lakes will get alot of folks on board. Being primarly a lake boater. I see the lakes getting more crowed as the time. Lake of the Ozarks has been overbuilt. You have to be crazy to run on most weekends in the summer there anymore unless you have a offshore style boat. But I degress, the main thing we are seeing is some folks like to have boats that make a lot of noise. (Loud steros or unrestricted exhaust) Or others cut close to docks and or other boats in mindless isolation. This adds to the more irritation to others in these crowed conditions. The result - Lets have restrictions! The big trap here of course is that when this starts occurring it can, and I suspect will. Become a divide and conquer effect. In this case they start with houseboats and go-fast. Tomarrow it could very well be jetski and runnabouts or bassboats or etc. I don't know the answer here. But the shame of it all is that way to many folks just have the "Screw Everyone this is me" we are talking about mentality Personally I keep in mind that it is not "My Lake" and that I am sharing it when out on lake Hartwell. And this past year the lake has been more crowed than in years past. Capt Jack R.. |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:05:58 -0400, Jack Redington
wrote: But I degress, the main thing we are seeing is some folks like to have boats that make a lot of noise. (Loud steros or unrestricted exhaust) My digression, but to the noise point. I used to be a Harley fan. Just because it was American. I was out driving on an errand a couple days ago and a couple Harleys were 1/8 to 1/4 mile ahead of me. This was for a few miles. We were doing 35. Anytime the Harleys weren't coasting, my wife and I had to yell at each other to be heard. On the way home we were doing 45, chatting in normal tones. A Gold Wing flew past 3 feet away, accelerating nicely to about 60 as he passed us. We saw it. Didn't hear anything. Honda Rules! Harley Sucks! --Vic |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
On Sep 24, 10:30 pm, Vic Smith
wrote: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:05:58 -0400, Jack Redington wrote: But I degress, the main thing we are seeing is some folks like to have boats that make a lot of noise. (Loud steros or unrestricted exhaust) My digression, but to the noise point. I used to be a Harley fan. Just because it was American. I was out driving on an errand a couple days ago and a couple Harleys were 1/8 to 1/4 mile ahead of me. This was for a few miles. We were doing 35. Anytime the Harleys weren't coasting, my wife and I had to yell at each other to be heard. On the way home we were doing 45, chatting in normal tones. A Gold Wing flew past 3 feet away, accelerating nicely to about 60 as he passed us. We saw it. Didn't hear anything. Honda Rules! Harley Sucks! --Vic I HAVE lived in Alabama (Huntsville) and FL and WY, and TX and spent enough time in GA, CO, and CA to think I have lived there. Lake homes in AL can be really nice because land is simply cheaper there than many places. As far as living in shacks, I admire people who do because mostly they do so out of choice, no mortgage and few maintenance expenses means they can do as they please. This lake really is not suitable for really fast boats and I assume they are trying to keep out mega-houseboats that are all the rage right now. Nothing like a bunch of drunk mostly nekkid rednecks in your quiet cove to make you a believer in SOME restrictions. A couple evenings ago, I was out with friends who kept referring to "trailer trash" . Although I have never lived in a "trailer home", at one point in my life I considered owners of such to be affluent. I have dated quite a few women who lived in such although my wife wouldnt EVER consider such housing. So, somehow, I consider "trailer trash" to be a slur on "my people". |
Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
On Sep 24, 10:53 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Sep 24, 10:30 pm, Vic Smith wrote: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:05:58 -0400, Jack Redington wrote: But I degress, the main thing we are seeing is some folks like to have boats that make a lot of noise. (Loud steros or unrestricted exhaust) My digression, but to the noise point. I used to be a Harley fan. Just because it was American. I was out driving on an errand a couple days ago and a couple Harleys were 1/8 to 1/4 mile ahead of me. This was for a few miles. We were doing 35. Anytime the Harleys weren't coasting, my wife and I had to yell at each other to be heard. On the way home we were doing 45, chatting in normal tones. A Gold Wing flew past 3 feet away, accelerating nicely to about 60 as he passed us. We saw it. Didn't hear anything. Honda Rules! Harley Sucks! --Vic I HAVE lived in Alabama (Huntsville) and FL and WY, and TX and spent enough time in GA, CO, and CA to think I have lived there. Lake homes in AL can be really nice because land is simply cheaper there than many places. As far as living in shacks, I admire people who do because mostly they do so out of choice, no mortgage and few maintenance expenses means they can do as they please. This lake really is not suitable for really fast boats and I assume they are trying to keep out mega-houseboats that are all the rage right now. Nothing like a bunch of drunk mostly nekkid rednecks in your quiet cove to make you a believer in SOME restrictions. A couple evenings ago, I was out with friends who kept referring to "trailer trash" . Although I have never lived in a "trailer home", at one point in my life I considered owners of such to be affluent. I have dated quite a few women who lived in such although my wife wouldnt EVER consider such housing. So, somehow, I consider "trailer trash" to be a slur on "my people".- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I lived in Hunstvull Alabama in the early 80's.. it was a goof, state liquor stores, dry counties.. Beautiful caves and outlands... |
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