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Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a
lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.



*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake
Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including
houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent
waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The
Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and
several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences
on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside
water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying
it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega,
http://www.dailyhome.com
Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think
from a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing
the homwowners, is president of the state bar association and
gradualted in the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be
an interesting case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial
court, an appeal is a certainty.
Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his
"disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin
color and background mean he isn't going to be fair?
Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward
him due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he
makes. Use your imagination.

Ahhh. I suppose that's one of the reasons why I've never been to
Alabama, and, goddess-willing, will maintain that standing. Judging
people on the basis of race is so...backwards.


Yes. Everyone is that way down there. Absolutely everyone.


Hey. I'm not prejuiced :}. I've been to Texas and
even Mississippi. I do love Louisiana.

And there is no racism in the Northeast?

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On Sep 24, 7:32 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





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Chuck Gould wrote:
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a
lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.

*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little
more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave
attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he
would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake
Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and
rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including
houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake
could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent
waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state
Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out
these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The
Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and
several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the
residences on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside
water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying
it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home -
Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com

Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad
idea, nor
is banning boats larger houseboats.

Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size?
This
question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information
is
accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have
issues
with sanitation, or just houseboats?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Remember, people live in anything down there, I have lived in Bama'
some of the dwellings I saw would not be acceptable as sheds here in
the NE.. This is probably more local than we know. These boats must be
the ones stirring up problems, cigarette boats,the problems are
obvious, with the houseboats, you could be having an influx of
permanant residences being estalished on the lakes, the locals could
be trying to slow this down...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I found this site for one of the lakes.

http://www.lakewedowee.info/Boating.asp


It's a long skinny lake that branches off into what were once a series
of valleys and gullies before they put in the dam. As such, there must
be 100 miles of "shoreline", but according to the map I'd estimate
that it would be possible to run about 20 miles from one end to the
other, assuming it's all navigable. (One portion is supposed to be 780
feet deep).

The shoreline is *not* lined with residences, at least not in the
couple of photos shown on this site. The power company owns a lot of
the real estate, (according to the AP article), and much of the rest
is apparently undeveloped rural land.

There are about 8 boat ramps listed for the lake, but no actual
"marinas".

Those rural homeowners are apparently looking for a big payday from
the company that has expressed an interest in developing land if
boating is "restricted". I guess I can see where the resort company
would be in 7th heaven with 60 virgins if they went so far as to close
the boat ramps as well. If boating gets "restricted" enough and it's
done just right, nobody will be able to boat on the lake without first
renting or chartering a boat from the resort.


This is when "other interests" should do whatever it takes, including
hiring a private investigator, to find out which town board members are
going to profit from the proposed changes. There is ALWAYS someone with a
funnel in their pocket on town boards. Always.


They got more money than the local for PI's. Just like Lake Tahoe where 2
strokes, except on sailboats, are banned. Steve Wynn, the billionaire
casino owner has / had a house at the north end of the lake. He took
exception to a jetskier by his house and tried to get jetski's banned.
Can't do that as they are also boats, so the 2 stroke ban was passed. But
Mr. Wynn ran a triple engine cigarette type boat you could hear 5 miles
away. The golden ruld, he whoes got the gold rules.


Finding out who's invested in a partnership to develop land - that's
actually easy, but most of us probably don't have the time to find out. With
that information in hand, the rest is a breeze. Go to town board meetings
and make all kinds of noise about conflicts of interest. Even politicians
can be embarrassed to the point of quitting.

Of course, some people wouldn't see a conflict of interest. One of our town
board members was behind the push for a shopping mall here many years ago.
"It'll be terrific for the community!" Just one problem: He owned the land
that would be sold to the developer. Nobody blinked an eye. The mall is 90%
vacant. Nothing but an eyesore.

Calif Bill wrote:
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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William Bruce wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a
lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.



*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake
Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including
houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent
waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The
Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and
several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences
on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside
water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying
it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega,
http://www.dailyhome.com
Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think
from a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing
the homwowners, is president of the state bar association and
gradualted in the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be
an interesting case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial
court, an appeal is a certainty.
Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his
"disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin
color and background mean he isn't going to be fair?
Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward
him due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he
makes. Use your imagination.
Ahhh. I suppose that's one of the reasons why I've never been to
Alabama, and, goddess-willing, will maintain that standing. Judging
people on the basis of race is so...backwards.

Yes. Everyone is that way down there. Absolutely everyone.

Hey. I'm not prejuiced :}. I've been to Texas and
even Mississippi. I do love Louisiana.

And there is no racism in the Northeast?



Nah, there is no racism across the Mason Dixon Line. No matter what
stories you hear about racism in Baltimore, NYC, Boston etc you hear,
they are all lies.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:59:09 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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William Bruce wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a
lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.



*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake
Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including
houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent
waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The
Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and
several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences
on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside
water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying
it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega,
http://www.dailyhome.com
Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think
from a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing
the homwowners, is president of the state bar association and
gradualted in the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be
an interesting case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial
court, an appeal is a certainty.
Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his
"disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin
color and background mean he isn't going to be fair?
Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward
him due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he
makes. Use your imagination.
Ahhh. I suppose that's one of the reasons why I've never been to
Alabama, and, goddess-willing, will maintain that standing. Judging
people on the basis of race is so...backwards.
Yes. Everyone is that way down there. Absolutely everyone.
Hey. I'm not prejuiced :}. I've been to Texas and
even Mississippi. I do love Louisiana.
And there is no racism in the Northeast?


Nah, there is no racism across the Mason Dixon Line. No matter what
stories you hear about racism in Baltimore, NYC, Boston etc you hear,
they are all lies.

But I wouldn't go for a late evening stroll up 14th Street or through
northeast D.C.!

That is not racism, that is economic diversity.

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:59:09 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


Nah, there is no racism across the Mason Dixon Line. No matter what
stories you hear about racism in Baltimore, NYC, Boston etc you hear,
they are all lies.

I'm sure there is enough racism to go around on both sides of the Mason Dixon Line, but Baltimore is on
the southern side. The Mason Dixon Line demarcated Pennsylvania's southern border, and Delaware's
western border.

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:59:09 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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William Bruce wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a
lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.



*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake
Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including
houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent
waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The
Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and
several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences
on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside
water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying
it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega,
http://www.dailyhome.com
Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think
from a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing
the homwowners, is president of the state bar association and
gradualted in the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be
an interesting case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial
court, an appeal is a certainty.
Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his
"disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin
color and background mean he isn't going to be fair?
Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward
him due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he
makes. Use your imagination.
Ahhh. I suppose that's one of the reasons why I've never been to
Alabama, and, goddess-willing, will maintain that standing. Judging
people on the basis of race is so...backwards.

Yes. Everyone is that way down there. Absolutely everyone.

Hey. I'm not prejuiced :}. I've been to Texas and
even Mississippi. I do love Louisiana.

And there is no racism in the Northeast?



Nah, there is no racism across the Mason Dixon Line. No matter what
stories you hear about racism in Baltimore, NYC, Boston etc you hear,
they are all lies.

But I wouldn't go for a late evening stroll up 14th Street or through
northeast D.C.!

Calif Bill wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Sep 24, 4:40?am, wrote:

On Sep 24, 7:32 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:






"HK" wrote in message

...

Chuck Gould wrote:

Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a
lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.

*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave
attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake
Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and
rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including
houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent
waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The
Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and
several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences
on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside
water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying
it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home -
Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com

Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea,
nor
is banning boats larger houseboats.

Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size?
This
question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information is
accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have
issues
with sanitation, or just houseboats?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Remember, people live in anything down there, I have lived in Bama'
some of the dwellings I saw would not be acceptable as sheds here in
the NE.. This is probably more local than we know. These boats must be
the ones stirring up problems, cigarette boats,the problems are
obvious, with the houseboats, you could be having an influx of
permanant residences being estalished on the lakes, the locals could
be trying to slow this down...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I found this site for one of the lakes.

http://www.lakewedowee.info/Boating.asp


It's a long skinny lake that branches off into what were once a series
of valleys and gullies before they put in the dam. As such, there must
be 100 miles of "shoreline", but according to the map I'd estimate
that it would be possible to run about 20 miles from one end to the
other, assuming it's all navigable. (One portion is supposed to be 780
feet deep).

The shoreline is *not* lined with residences, at least not in the
couple of photos shown on this site. The power company owns a lot of
the real estate, (according to the AP article), and much of the rest
is apparently undeveloped rural land.

There are about 8 boat ramps listed for the lake, but no actual
"marinas".

Those rural homeowners are apparently looking for a big payday from
the company that has expressed an interest in developing land if
boating is "restricted". I guess I can see where the resort company
would be in 7th heaven with 60 virgins if they went so far as to close
the boat ramps as well. If boating gets "restricted" enough and it's
done just right, nobody will be able to boat on the lake without first
renting or chartering a boat from the resort.


This is when "other interests" should do whatever it takes, including
hiring a private investigator, to find out which town board members are
going to profit from the proposed changes. There is ALWAYS someone with a
funnel in their pocket on town boards. Always.



They got more money than the local for PI's. Just like Lake Tahoe where 2
strokes, except on sailboats, are banned. Steve Wynn, the billionaire
casino owner has / had a house at the north end of the lake. He took
exception to a jetskier by his house and tried to get jetski's banned.
Can't do that as they are also boats, so the 2 stroke ban was passed. But
Mr. Wynn ran a triple engine cigarette type boat you could hear 5 miles
away. The golden ruld, he whoes got the gold rules.



While the "Golden Rule" aspect of I am sure is true. The "usage
pressure" that we see on many lakes will get alot of folks on board.
Being primarly a lake boater. I see the lakes getting more crowed as the
time. Lake of the Ozarks has been overbuilt. You have to be crazy to
run on most weekends in the summer there anymore unless you have a
offshore style boat.

But I degress, the main thing we are seeing is some folks like to have
boats that make a lot of noise. (Loud steros or unrestricted exhaust) Or
others cut close to docks and or other boats in mindless isolation.
This adds to the more irritation to others in these crowed conditions.
The result - Lets have restrictions! The big trap here of course is that
when this starts occurring it can, and I suspect will. Become a divide
and conquer effect.

In this case they start with houseboats and go-fast. Tomarrow it could
very well be jetski and runnabouts or bassboats or etc. I don't know the
answer here. But the shame of it all is that way to many folks just have
the "Screw Everyone this is me" we are talking about mentality

Personally I keep in mind that it is not "My Lake" and that I am sharing
it when out on lake Hartwell. And this past year the lake has been more
crowed than in years past.

Capt Jack R..

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:05:58 -0400, Jack Redington
wrote:



But I degress, the main thing we are seeing is some folks like to have
boats that make a lot of noise. (Loud steros or unrestricted exhaust)

My digression, but to the noise point.
I used to be a Harley fan. Just because it was American.
I was out driving on an errand a couple days ago and a couple Harleys
were 1/8 to 1/4 mile ahead of me. This was for a few miles. We were
doing 35.
Anytime the Harleys weren't coasting, my wife and I had to yell at
each other to be heard.
On the way home we were doing 45, chatting in normal tones.
A Gold Wing flew past 3 feet away, accelerating nicely to about 60
as he passed us.
We saw it. Didn't hear anything.
Honda Rules! Harley Sucks!

--Vic

On Sep 24, 10:30 pm, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:05:58 -0400, Jack Redington

wrote:

But I degress, the main thing we are seeing is some folks like to have
boats that make a lot of noise. (Loud steros or unrestricted exhaust)

My digression, but to the noise point.
I used to be a Harley fan. Just because it was American.
I was out driving on an errand a couple days ago and a couple Harleys
were 1/8 to 1/4 mile ahead of me. This was for a few miles. We were
doing 35.
Anytime the Harleys weren't coasting, my wife and I had to yell at
each other to be heard.
On the way home we were doing 45, chatting in normal tones.
A Gold Wing flew past 3 feet away, accelerating nicely to about 60
as he passed us.
We saw it. Didn't hear anything.
Honda Rules! Harley Sucks!

--Vic

I HAVE lived in Alabama (Huntsville) and FL and WY, and TX and spent
enough time in GA, CO, and CA to think I have lived there. Lake homes
in AL can be really nice because land is simply cheaper there than
many places. As far as living in shacks, I admire people who do
because mostly they do so out of choice, no mortgage and few
maintenance expenses means they can do as they please. This lake
really is not suitable for really fast boats and I assume they are
trying to keep out mega-houseboats that are all the rage right now.
Nothing like a bunch of drunk mostly nekkid rednecks in your quiet
cove to make you a believer in SOME restrictions.
A couple evenings ago, I was out with friends who kept referring to
"trailer trash" . Although I have never lived in a "trailer home", at
one point in my life I considered owners of such to be affluent. I
have dated quite a few women who lived in such although my wife
wouldnt EVER consider such housing. So, somehow, I consider "trailer
trash" to be a slur on "my people".

On Sep 24, 10:53 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Sep 24, 10:30 pm, Vic Smith
wrote:





On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:05:58 -0400, Jack Redington

wrote:

But I degress, the main thing we are seeing is some folks like to have
boats that make a lot of noise. (Loud steros or unrestricted exhaust)

My digression, but to the noise point.
I used to be a Harley fan. Just because it was American.
I was out driving on an errand a couple days ago and a couple Harleys
were 1/8 to 1/4 mile ahead of me. This was for a few miles. We were
doing 35.
Anytime the Harleys weren't coasting, my wife and I had to yell at
each other to be heard.
On the way home we were doing 45, chatting in normal tones.
A Gold Wing flew past 3 feet away, accelerating nicely to about 60
as he passed us.
We saw it. Didn't hear anything.
Honda Rules! Harley Sucks!

--Vic

I HAVE lived in Alabama (Huntsville) and FL and WY, and TX and spent
enough time in GA, CO, and CA to think I have lived there. Lake homes
in AL can be really nice because land is simply cheaper there than
many places. As far as living in shacks, I admire people who do
because mostly they do so out of choice, no mortgage and few
maintenance expenses means they can do as they please. This lake
really is not suitable for really fast boats and I assume they are
trying to keep out mega-houseboats that are all the rage right now.
Nothing like a bunch of drunk mostly nekkid rednecks in your quiet
cove to make you a believer in SOME restrictions.
A couple evenings ago, I was out with friends who kept referring to
"trailer trash" . Although I have never lived in a "trailer home", at
one point in my life I considered owners of such to be affluent. I
have dated quite a few women who lived in such although my wife
wouldnt EVER consider such housing. So, somehow, I consider "trailer
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I lived in Hunstvull Alabama in the early 80's.. it was a goof, state
liquor stores, dry counties.. Beautiful caves and outlands...