On Sep 24, 8:13 am, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:
"William Bruce" wrote

There are no "sheds" on the shores of any of these lakes.

Which is probably why they don't want floating sheds roaming around in their
back yards. I suspect justafrekin is on the right track, that somebody
wanted to address some specific problems but ended up with this poorly
crafted solution.

Exactly!

On Sep 24, 8:42 am, Dave Hall wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:13:20 -0400, "Ernest Scribbler"

wrote:
"William Bruce" wrote
There are no "sheds" on the shores of any of these lakes.

Which is probably why they don't want floating sheds roaming around in their
back yards. I suspect justafrekin is on the right track, that somebody
wanted to address some specific problems but ended up with this poorly
crafted solution.

If you read the original post it appears that then law was passed in
order to get some developer to build a bunch of condos on the lake.
Now why would you grossly over pay for one of their condos if you
could grossly over pay for a houseboat instead? ;-)

Those with condos on the lake are less likely to want a houseboat on
the lake and if they don't want one they don't want anyone else to
have one.

Dave Hall

"and if they don't want one they don't want anyone else to
have one"


Ding, ding, ding... and we have a winner folks!

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:08:18 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Sounds like a law that's not quite focused.


Sounds like an HOA on the horizon that want to make sure that nobody
is out of step.....

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:08:18 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Sounds like a law that's not quite focused.


Sounds like an HOA on the horizon that want to make sure that nobody
is out of step.....


Well, they need to separate the rules by safety and "other". There are lakes
around here that are full of modest little cottages, owned by people who
aren't rich at all. They've established speed limits that are viciously
enforced because the lakes are crowded. There's nothing wrong with that. I
*never* see cigarette-type boats on those lakes, I suppose because there's
no point in owning one if the speed limit's 30 mph.

As far as what's ugly...that's another issue.

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:15:25 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom penned the following
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As far as what's ugly...that's another issue.

And a bit subjective..... that just might be the problem!

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:15:25 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

As far as what's ugly...that's another issue.

And a bit subjective..... that just might be the problem!


Exactly.

Then there's the issue of sewage. I wonder why they're focusing on one
category of boat, as far as sanitation systems. Here, NO boat can discharge
toilet refuse, although there might be a distance limit for those in the
middle of Lake Ontario. I wonder if Alabama has no such rules in place.
Could they really be so backward?

On Sep 24, 4:24?am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.

*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com

Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor
is banning boats larger houseboats.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's reasonable to ban superfast *operation* on small lakes. It makes
more sense to regulate behavior in the interest of safety or other
legitimate public concerns than to dictate what type of property
somebody can own. Cigarette boats "rated for over 60 mph" are banned,
but if your boat will only do 59 mph you're OK?

If they put a speed limit on the lake, the fastest boats would
relocate.

I think the two clues in the story are;

1. One of the private party plaintiffs for homeowners around the lake
claims "this is what 95% of the property owners want"

and

2. A resort development company has expressed an interest in acquiring
and developing property around the lakes provided that "boating is
restricted."

On Sep 24, 4:40?am, wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:32 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





"HK" wrote in message

...

Chuck Gould wrote:
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.

*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com

Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor
is banning boats larger houseboats.

Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size? This
question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information is
accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have issues
with sanitation, or just houseboats?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Remember, people live in anything down there, I have lived in Bama'
some of the dwellings I saw would not be acceptable as sheds here in
the NE.. This is probably more local than we know. These boats must be
the ones stirring up problems, cigarette boats,the problems are
obvious, with the houseboats, you could be having an influx of
permanant residences being estalished on the lakes, the locals could
be trying to slow this down...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I found this site for one of the lakes.

http://www.lakewedowee.info/Boating.asp


It's a long skinny lake that branches off into what were once a series
of valleys and gullies before they put in the dam. As such, there must
be 100 miles of "shoreline", but according to the map I'd estimate
that it would be possible to run about 20 miles from one end to the
other, assuming it's all navigable. (One portion is supposed to be 780
feet deep).

The shoreline is *not* lined with residences, at least not in the
couple of photos shown on this site. The power company owns a lot of
the real estate, (according to the AP article), and much of the rest
is apparently undeveloped rural land.

There are about 8 boat ramps listed for the lake, but no actual
"marinas".

Those rural homeowners are apparently looking for a big payday from
the company that has expressed an interest in developing land if
boating is "restricted". I guess I can see where the resort company
would be in 7th heaven with 60 virgins if they went so far as to close
the boat ramps as well. If boating gets "restricted" enough and it's
done just right, nobody will be able to boat on the lake without first
renting or chartering a boat from the resort.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 24, 4:40?am, wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:32 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





"HK" wrote in message

...

Chuck Gould wrote:
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a
lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.

*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake
Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including
houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent
waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The
Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and
several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences
on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside
water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying
it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home -
Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com

Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea,
nor
is banning boats larger houseboats.

Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size?
This
question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information is
accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have
issues
with sanitation, or just houseboats?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Remember, people live in anything down there, I have lived in Bama'
some of the dwellings I saw would not be acceptable as sheds here in
the NE.. This is probably more local than we know. These boats must be
the ones stirring up problems, cigarette boats,the problems are
obvious, with the houseboats, you could be having an influx of
permanant residences being estalished on the lakes, the locals could
be trying to slow this down...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I found this site for one of the lakes.

http://www.lakewedowee.info/Boating.asp


It's a long skinny lake that branches off into what were once a series
of valleys and gullies before they put in the dam. As such, there must
be 100 miles of "shoreline", but according to the map I'd estimate
that it would be possible to run about 20 miles from one end to the
other, assuming it's all navigable. (One portion is supposed to be 780
feet deep).

The shoreline is *not* lined with residences, at least not in the
couple of photos shown on this site. The power company owns a lot of
the real estate, (according to the AP article), and much of the rest
is apparently undeveloped rural land.

There are about 8 boat ramps listed for the lake, but no actual
"marinas".

Those rural homeowners are apparently looking for a big payday from
the company that has expressed an interest in developing land if
boating is "restricted". I guess I can see where the resort company
would be in 7th heaven with 60 virgins if they went so far as to close
the boat ramps as well. If boating gets "restricted" enough and it's
done just right, nobody will be able to boat on the lake without first
renting or chartering a boat from the resort.


This is when "other interests" should do whatever it takes, including hiring
a private investigator, to find out which town board members are going to
profit from the proposed changes. There is ALWAYS someone with a funnel in
their pocket on town boards. Always.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 24, 4:40?am, wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:32 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





"HK" wrote in message

...

Chuck Gould wrote:
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a
lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.

*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave
attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake
Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and
rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including
houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent
waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The
Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and
several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences
on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside
water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying
it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home -
Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com

Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea,
nor
is banning boats larger houseboats.

Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size?
This
question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information is
accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have
issues
with sanitation, or just houseboats?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Remember, people live in anything down there, I have lived in Bama'
some of the dwellings I saw would not be acceptable as sheds here in
the NE.. This is probably more local than we know. These boats must be
the ones stirring up problems, cigarette boats,the problems are
obvious, with the houseboats, you could be having an influx of
permanant residences being estalished on the lakes, the locals could
be trying to slow this down...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I found this site for one of the lakes.

http://www.lakewedowee.info/Boating.asp


It's a long skinny lake that branches off into what were once a series
of valleys and gullies before they put in the dam. As such, there must
be 100 miles of "shoreline", but according to the map I'd estimate
that it would be possible to run about 20 miles from one end to the
other, assuming it's all navigable. (One portion is supposed to be 780
feet deep).

The shoreline is *not* lined with residences, at least not in the
couple of photos shown on this site. The power company owns a lot of
the real estate, (according to the AP article), and much of the rest
is apparently undeveloped rural land.

There are about 8 boat ramps listed for the lake, but no actual
"marinas".

Those rural homeowners are apparently looking for a big payday from
the company that has expressed an interest in developing land if
boating is "restricted". I guess I can see where the resort company
would be in 7th heaven with 60 virgins if they went so far as to close
the boat ramps as well. If boating gets "restricted" enough and it's
done just right, nobody will be able to boat on the lake without first
renting or chartering a boat from the resort.


This is when "other interests" should do whatever it takes, including
hiring a private investigator, to find out which town board members are
going to profit from the proposed changes. There is ALWAYS someone with a
funnel in their pocket on town boards. Always.


They got more money than the local for PI's. Just like Lake Tahoe where 2
strokes, except on sailboats, are banned. Steve Wynn, the billionaire
casino owner has / had a house at the north end of the lake. He took
exception to a jetskier by his house and tried to get jetski's banned.
Can't do that as they are also boats, so the 2 stroke ban was passed. But
Mr. Wynn ran a triple engine cigarette type boat you could hear 5 miles
away. The golden ruld, he whoes got the gold rules.