Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
 

"William Bruce" wrote
There are no "sheds" on the shores of any of these lakes.

Which is probably why they don't want floating sheds roaming around in their
back yards. I suspect justafrekin is on the right track, that somebody
wanted to address some specific problems but ended up with this poorly
crafted solution.

Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
 

"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
et...
"William Bruce" wrote
There are no "sheds" on the shores of any of these lakes.

Which is probably why they don't want floating sheds roaming around in
their back yards. I suspect justafrekin is on the right track, that
somebody wanted to address some specific problems but ended up with this
poorly crafted solution.

Yeah. How about a speed limit that makes cig boats useless to own?

Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
 

Chuck Gould wrote in
oups.com:

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.



Nothing new. South Carolina has a law granting 1 mile to seaward to
every little island fiefdom, all run by the real estate politicians, in
the state. Out 1 mile from any of them, a simple city ordinance can now
ban boating, entirely, if the waterfront property owners and land
developers simply flex their muscles.

Hilton Head Island's billionaires were the first to flex.

http://www.hiltonheadisland.com/beach.htm

http://www.hiltonheadislandsc.gov/Forms/BOATAPP.pdf
If the city likes your boat, you can land it on the beach for $120, after
they inspect it, of course, to see if it meets their snooty standards.
Isn't that nice of them?

And don't be anchoring your floating RV out in front of my mansion! I
paid big money for this little piece of swamp and I'll be damned if we're
gonna let you anchor out there and block the view FOR FREE!

Larry
--
Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
The ultimate dirty bomb......

Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
William Bruce wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.



*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com
Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from a
disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the
homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in
the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting
case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a
certainty.

Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his
"disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin color
and background mean he isn't going to be fair?

Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward him
due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he makes. Use
your imagination.




Ahhh. I suppose that's one of the reasons why I've never been to
Alabama, and, goddess-willing, will maintain that standing. Judging
people on the basis of race is so...backwards.

Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
 

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in news:lfNJi.17386
:

Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size?

Somebody with power has a 42' sailboat?

Aren't all laws written with certain powerful interests in mind??

Duhh....(c;

Larry
--
Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
The ultimate dirty bomb......

Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
William Bruce wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.



*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com
Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from
a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the
homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in
the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting
case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a
certainty.

Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his
"disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin color
and background mean he isn't going to be fair?

Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward
him due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he
makes. Use your imagination.


Ahhh. I suppose that's one of the reasons why I've never been to Alabama,
and, goddess-willing, will maintain that standing. Judging people on the
basis of race is so...backwards.


Yes. Everyone is that way down there. Absolutely everyone.

Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
 

Larry wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote in
oups.com:

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.



Nothing new. South Carolina has a law granting 1 mile to seaward to
every little island fiefdom, all run by the real estate politicians, in
the state. Out 1 mile from any of them, a simple city ordinance can now
ban boating, entirely, if the waterfront property owners and land
developers simply flex their muscles.

Hilton Head Island's billionaires were the first to flex.

http://www.hiltonheadisland.com/beach.htm

http://www.hiltonheadislandsc.gov/Forms/BOATAPP.pdf
If the city likes your boat, you can land it on the beach for $120, after
they inspect it, of course, to see if it meets their snooty standards.
Isn't that nice of them?

And don't be anchoring your floating RV out in front of my mansion! I
paid big money for this little piece of swamp and I'll be damned if we're
gonna let you anchor out there and block the view FOR FREE!

Larry


Well, Larry, it does help keep the riff-raff out. :}

Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
 

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in news:lfNJi.17386
:

Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size?

Somebody with power has a 42' sailboat?

Aren't all laws written with certain powerful interests in mind??

Duhh....(c;

Larry


Depends on the goal of the law, I guess. Without reading it, nobody in this
discussion knows the truth.

Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
William Bruce wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.



*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com
Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from
a disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the
homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in
the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting
case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a
certainty.
Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his
"disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin color
and background mean he isn't going to be fair?
Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward
him due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he
makes. Use your imagination.

Ahhh. I suppose that's one of the reasons why I've never been to Alabama,
and, goddess-willing, will maintain that standing. Judging people on the
basis of race is so...backwards.


Yes. Everyone is that way down there. Absolutely everyone.




Hey. I'm not prejuiced :}. I've been to Texas and
even Mississippi. I do love Louisiana.

Bam! Boats to be banned in 'Bama?
 

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:13:20 -0400, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:

"William Bruce" wrote
There are no "sheds" on the shores of any of these lakes.

Which is probably why they don't want floating sheds roaming around in their
back yards. I suspect justafrekin is on the right track, that somebody
wanted to address some specific problems but ended up with this poorly
crafted solution.


If you read the original post it appears that then law was passed in
order to get some developer to build a bunch of condos on the lake.
Now why would you grossly over pay for one of their condos if you
could grossly over pay for a houseboat instead? ;-)

Those with condos on the lake are less likely to want a houseboat on
the lake and if they don't want one they don't want anyone else to
have one.

Dave Hall