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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:29:36 -0400, "Jim"
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

Not So Sweet, Martha Lorraine
as recorded by Country Joe and the Fish

lyrics snipped.

You call that genius?

I won't diss anybody's music, or make any judgements, since
I'm not "musical" at all.
But I will mention the only song lyrics I encountered while studying
poetry in school was "Eleanor Rigby."
It read well, but I already had the melody in my head, so no fair.

--Vic

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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:33:19 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:14:58 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Then of course there are those who did the 60's, and as a result can't
remember too very much between about 1966 and 1972.

And then there were those of us who also "did" the '60s in an entirely
different context and were a tad too busy to worry about song titles
and lyrics.

Just for the record you understand. :)

Some of us went touring and missed all the great parades and stuff.
--
John H

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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:52:34 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

At one time it was fun to sit around the hookah and debate the "inner
meaning" of tunes like this

HAH!!!

I KNEW IT!!! :)

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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:01:26 -0400, HK wrote:

I suppose if you are sitting around doing drugs, a lot of songs sound
like they are "dealing" drugs. Not all of us were Day Trippers.

Not all of us have holes in our transoms either.

~~ snerk ~~

That is never going to get old. :)

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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:40:28 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:14:58 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Then of course there are those who did the 60's, and as a result can't
remember too very much between about 1966 and 1972.

And then there were those of us who also "did" the '60s in an entirely
different context and were a tad too busy to worry about song titles
and lyrics.

Just for the record you understand. :)

poke poke poke...
When does freshwater bass season end up your way? And, is fresh water more
convenient for you than sal****er, in terms of distance? I'm pondering
schedules.

Well, come on down anytime there partner.

We can sit around the hooka, discuss song lyrics and dream up
largemouth bass anytime.

Either one - salt water might be more fun - assuming that the bluefish
finally show up.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:40:28 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:14:58 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Then of course there are those who did the 60's, and as a result can't
remember too very much between about 1966 and 1972.

And then there were those of us who also "did" the '60s in an entirely
different context and were a tad too busy to worry about song titles
and lyrics.

Just for the record you understand. :)

poke poke poke...
When does freshwater bass season end up your way? And, is fresh water more
convenient for you than sal****er, in terms of distance? I'm pondering
schedules.

Well, come on down anytime there partner.

We can sit around the hooka, discuss song lyrics and dream up
largemouth bass anytime.

Either one - salt water might be more fun - assuming that the bluefish
finally show up.

Sounds like October. Maybe?

I notice Ryder now rents small refrigerated trucks. Perhaps I'll arrange for
one. I'm an optimist.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:01:26 -0400, HK wrote:

I suppose if you are sitting around doing drugs, a lot of songs sound
like they are "dealing" drugs. Not all of us were Day Trippers.

Not all of us have holes in our transoms either.

~~ snerk ~~

That is never going to get old. :)


Not until we run out of inexperienced inland boaters.

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Harry,

I saw the same performance at Newport Festival, Do you remember what song
he opened his performance with?

Here is a copy of his performance at Newport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRbeUnn-AUA

By any chance are you the same Harry Krause who went to Yale?



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On Aug 31, 9:01?am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
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Musical genius.
You need to hear the actual recording.
The lyrics by themselves are interesting, but a little flat.
Throw in the "psychedelic" guitar licks, etc, and it's one of the
better- even if now mostly forgotten- gems from the era.
At one time it was fun to sit around the hookah and debate the "inner
meaning" of tunes like this. I can't seem to remember whether Martha
Lorraine was popularly assumed to be about peyote, hashish, LSD, or
the Selective Service System/FEDGOV- (good arguments for all). I still
remember how suprised a lot of folks were to realize that Mr
Tambourine Man was about a dope dealer. Dylan was always easier to
figure out than Joe McDonald :-)
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So, are you disputing the double entendre of "Not so Sweet", or "Mr.
Tambourine Man"? I once met somebody who still insists that Peter
Paul and Mary were singing about a wind up flying reptile.........

We all lived in a yellow submarine.

refresher: (and for the very few who have only heard the 2-verse
pop-40 version)

Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.


Several theories abound for the hidden meaning of "Mr. Tambourine Man."
Not all those theories are based upon the smokey fantasties of druggies,
former or current.

I saw Dylan perform that song in the 1960s during one of his several
appearances at Gerde's Folk City and at the 1964 Newport Folk Festival.
That was, I believe, before it was released on an album. No one mentioned
the song as an allegory for drug use.

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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:05:25 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Not So Sweet, Martha Loran

(those who didn't do the 60's, don't even ask).

Is this some kind of Druggie code?

No.

What ever happened to good old Country Joe anyway?

As I was...um...sort of indisposed during that period - say from '66
to late '69 - I sort of missed most of the more interesting aspects of
the mid-60's. I could tell a very funny story about my completely
innocent introduction to smoking the most ubiquitous herbal substance
of the times, but I don't want to ruin my hard earned law and order
reputation. :)

Oddly, "I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-to-Die Rag" is about the only thing I
know about Country Joe McDonald - never really heard any other of his
music. When I first heard it, it was towards the end of my second
tour. By the time I returned stateside, it became a sort-of anthem
for those who were trying very hard not to do as the title suggested.

I haven't heard much except his first couple of albums, which were
interesting.



From Wiki:
Joe went on to have a long solo career with key albums including:

a.. Thinking of Woody Guthrie (1969) - recorded in Nashville, which at
the time was a very odd choice of location for a hippie songster to make
an album of leftist anthems.
b.. War War War (1971) - another tribute to a landmark American radical,
the World War I anti-war poems of Robert W. Service set to music.
c.. Hold On It's Coming - songs about the West Coast hippie movement.
d.. Superstitious Blues - with Jerry Garcia playing guitar on some
tracks.
e.. Paradise With an Ocean View (1977) - included the landmark
environmental protest song "Save the Whales".
f.. Paris Sessions - landmark feminism, with a female band, singing
songs, written by Joe, including "Sexist Pig".
In 2003 McDonald was sued for copyright infringement over his signature
song, specifically the "One, two, three, what are we fighting for?" chorus
part, as derived from the 1926 early jazz classic "Muskrat Ramble",
co-written by Kid Ory. The suit was brought by Ory's daughter Babette, who
holds the copyright today. Since decades had already passed from the time
McDonald composed his song in 1965, Ory based her suit against a new
version of it recorded by McDonald in 1999. The court however upheld
McDonald's laches defence, noting that Ory and her father were aware of
the original version of "Fixin'", with the same section in question, for
some three decades without bringing a suit until 2003, and dismissed the
suit.

In 2004, Country Joe re-formed some original members of Country Joe and
The Fish as the Country Joe Band - Bruce Barthol, David Bennett Cohen, and
Gary "Chicken" Hirsh. The band toured Los Angeles, Berkeley, Bolinas,
Sebastopol, Grants Pass, Eugene, Portland and Seattle. They then made a
10-stop tour of the United Kingdom and played at the Isle of Wight and
London. Following that came the New York tour which included a Woodstock
reunion performance followed by an appearance at the New York State Museum
in Albany. Returning to the West Coast the band played in Marin and
Mendocino Counties, the World Peace Music Awards in San Francisco and at
the Oakland Museum as part of an exhibit on the Vietnam War.

In the spring of 2005, McDonald joined a larger protest against California
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's proposed budget cuts at the California
state capital.

In the fall of 2005, political commentator Bill O'Reilly compared
McDonald, a Navy veteran,[2] to Cuban president Fidel Castro, remarking on
McDonald's involvement in Cindy Sheehan's protests against the Iraq
War.[3]

McDonald's daughter Seven is a columnist for the LA Weekly.

He performed at the Isle of Wight Festival in the summer of 2007



He lives not far from me in Berkeley. We hear of him at times. Have not
seen him perform for may years. Last big stint was the protest of cutting
down some oak trees on the UC Berkeley campus to build a new football
stadium. Worse part, would block the view from Cheapskate Hill.

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On Aug 31, 10:57?am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:33:19 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:14:58 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Then of course there are those who did the 60's, and as a result can't
remember too very much between about 1966 and 1972.

And then there were those of us who also "did" the '60s in an entirely
different context and were a tad too busy to worry about song titles
and lyrics.

Just for the record you understand. :)

Some of us went touring and missed all the great parades and stuff.
--
John H

So true. I'd have to say that for most folks between say, 55-65 the
60's were an extremely formative decade. For better or for worse- or
more likely just for different.