On Aug 28, 4:47?pm, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:40:57 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:





On Aug 28, 4:28?pm, wrote:
On Aug 28, 4:20 pm, HK wrote:
. At first, Craig objected to the man's anonymity, but

agreed to listen. The man's voice was disguised.

Craig said the man is an activist. "The gay movement, we know it for
what it is. It's now aggressive and it's liberal and it's ...

read more

There is nothing here but a guy who taps his foot while taking a ****,
an actiist cop running a sting, and a bunch of political activists
making up stories, Not one shred of evedince, anywhere, at all,
period. And the guy pled guilty to "disorderly conduct" for tapping
his foot, no lewd conduct, just tapping while taking a ****, that's
all folks, time to go home now.

But I am guessing you don't want to talk about Harold Ford's
conviction today for taking a $50.000 bribe, forbid we try to stop the
dems from selling us out...

Harry is so blinded by partisanship that he fails to see the most
frightening thing about this entire incident.

The Senator was arrested for tapping his foot while sitting on a
public toilet. Is sitting on the toilet a crime? We better all hope
not. How about tapping your foot?

The readily available information, including the arrest report makes your
"interpretation" laughable.- Hide quoted text -

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So you say..........but yet you supply none of the details you rely
upon.
Pretty cheap argument.

I have learned that the senator was sitting in a public restroom in an
airport. He had a suitcase with him that he placed inside the stall.
He tapped his foot while sitting on the toilet. A local vice cop
thought that the acts of putting a suitcase inside the toilet stall
and tapping of a foot while seated on the throne was a form of
"homosexual sign language", intended to attract persons interested in
performing a homosexual act in the airport restroom.

Even if it *was* some sort of homosexual code, how many people could
easily and innocently put take their carry on luggage into the stall
with them? (What else you gonna do with it?) How many people have
easily and innocently tapped a foot while seated on a toilet? I'm sure
I've done it at some time in my life or another- and I have no
interest at all in getting intimate with another guy.It takes more
than a foot tap in a rest room to make a person gay......and if he is
gay that hasn't been a crime in a very long time in most of the more
enlightened states.

There was a time in this country when what you *did* could be a crime.
Now we've progressed to classifying certain thoughts and or sexual
fantasies as crimes. If you get right down to it and thinking or
fantasizing about sex with another person is the same has acting on
that thought----I suggest that virtually every married man and woman
in the entire country could be found guilty of adultery.

Chuck Gould wrote:


I have learned that the senator was sitting in a public restroom in an
airport. He had a suitcase with him that he placed inside the stall.
He tapped his foot while sitting on the toilet. A local vice cop
thought that the acts of putting a suitcase inside the toilet stall
and tapping of a foot while seated on the throne was a form of
"homosexual sign language", intended to attract persons interested in
performing a homosexual act in the airport restroom.


You might want to be more careful, Chuck, next time you are in an
airport rest room.

On Aug 28, 5:47?pm, HK wrote:


You might want to be more careful, Chuck, next time you are in an
airport rest room.

Got that right. Five minutes after the janitor's gone there's no
telling what you might catch in there. About the only place I use an
ass gasket if one is available. :-)

wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:38:33 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Aug 28, 4:47?pm, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:40:57 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:





On Aug 28, 4:28?pm, wrote:
On Aug 28, 4:20 pm, HK wrote:
. At first, Craig objected to the man's anonymity, but
agreed to listen. The man's voice was disguised.
Craig said the man is an activist. "The gay movement, we know it for
what it is. It's now aggressive and it's liberal and it's ...
read more
There is nothing here but a guy who taps his foot while taking a ****,
an actiist cop running a sting, and a bunch of political activists
making up stories, Not one shred of evedince, anywhere, at all,
period. And the guy pled guilty to "disorderly conduct" for tapping
his foot, no lewd conduct, just tapping while taking a ****, that's
all folks, time to go home now.
But I am guessing you don't want to talk about Harold Ford's
conviction today for taking a $50.000 bribe, forbid we try to stop the
dems from selling us out...
Harry is so blinded by partisanship that he fails to see the most
frightening thing about this entire incident.
The Senator was arrested for tapping his foot while sitting on a
public toilet. Is sitting on the toilet a crime? We better all hope
not. How about tapping your foot?
The readily available information, including the arrest report makes your
"interpretation" laughable.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
So you say..........but yet you supply none of the details you rely
upon.
Pretty cheap argument.



Sorry, I thought you were better informed and could find news stories and facts
on the internet at least at the level of a 5 year old. Spoon feeding it is,
then...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0828071craig1.html





Jesus. Craig pleaded guilty in relation to inappropriate behavior in
public men's room. Chuck must think Craig was passing gas.

On Aug 29, 6:35 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:38:33 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Aug 28, 4:47?pm, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:40:57 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Aug 28, 4:28?pm, wrote:
On Aug 28, 4:20 pm, HK wrote:
. At first, Craig objected to the man's anonymity, but
agreed to listen. The man's voice was disguised.
Craig said the man is an activist. "The gay movement, we know it for
what it is. It's now aggressive and it's liberal and it's ...
read more
There is nothing here but a guy who taps his foot while taking a ****,
an actiist cop running a sting, and a bunch of political activists
making up stories, Not one shred of evedince, anywhere, at all,
period. And the guy pled guilty to "disorderly conduct" for tapping
his foot, no lewd conduct, just tapping while taking a ****, that's
all folks, time to go home now.
But I am guessing you don't want to talk about Harold Ford's
conviction today for taking a $50.000 bribe, forbid we try to stop the
dems from selling us out...
Harry is so blinded by partisanship that he fails to see the most
frightening thing about this entire incident.
The Senator was arrested for tapping his foot while sitting on a
public toilet. Is sitting on the toilet a crime? We better all hope
not. How about tapping your foot?
The readily available information, including the arrest report makes your
"interpretation" laughable.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
So you say..........but yet you supply none of the details you rely
upon.
Pretty cheap argument.

Sorry, I thought you were better informed and could find news stories and facts
on the internet at least at the level of a 5 year old. Spoon feeding it is,
then...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0828071craig1.html

Jesus. Craig pleaded guilty in relation to inappropriate behavior in
public men's room. Chuck must think Craig was passing gas.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He plead to disorderly conduct for tapping his foot. The cop busted
him based on his own needs. The cops have been criticized for a long
time about this bathroom, they needed to make a statement, the guy
happened to go take a **** during the scam. Same thing around here.
Every two years right before the elections the cops go out and bust a
bunch of HS kids smoking pot to "prove" they are doing their job. Most
if not all of the charges go away soon after the elections.

wrote:

He plead to disorderly conduct for tapping his foot. The cop busted
him based on his own needs. The cops have been criticized for a long
time about this bathroom, they needed to make a statement, the guy
happened to go take a **** during the scam.


Right...Craig was arrested for tapping his foot. That's it.

Ever been to the Minneapolis airport? I have. It's huge. There are
dozens and dozens of bathrooms. Craig just happened to pick the one that
was being staked out because it was being used as a "pickup head" by gay
men. Hey, it was just a coincidence. Let's see...Craig peered into the
stall with the cop in it for two whole minutes, then he walked into the
stall next door, sat down and started tapping his foot. Then he played
footsie with the guy next door. Then he reached his hand under the
divider. Then, after he was arrested, he claimed he was handcuffed...but
he wasn't.

The only thing about this case that is significant to me is that Craig
is yet another example of right-wing Republican hypocrisy, an outed gay
man who for years has fought against gay issues and who is the darling
of right-wing nutcase organizations like the anti-Family Research Council.

Maybe you and Chuck ought to get a men's room stall together.

On Aug 29, 7:02 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
He plead to disorderly conduct for tapping his foot. The cop busted
him based on his own needs. The cops have been criticized for a long
time about this bathroom, they needed to make a statement, the guy
happened to go take a **** during the scam.

Right...Craig was arrested for tapping his foot. That's it.

That and the fantasies or the thought police, read the court papers...

On Aug 29, 7:02 am, HK wrote:


The only thing about this case that is significant to me is that Craig
is yet another example of right-wing Republican hypocrisy,

Maybe it would be if anything had happened, but your party is just
making it up as they go along...

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:02:59 -0400, HK wrote:



The only thing about this case that is significant to me is that Craig
is yet another example of right-wing Republican hypocrisy, an outed gay
man who for years has fought against gay issues and who is the darling
of right-wing nutcase organizations like the anti-Family Research Council.

I saw a doctor who knows of these matters on TV yesterday, and he said
that regardless of the truth of what happened in that head (keeping
this boating-related) that is no proof that Craig is "gay."
According to this doctor such conduct, even if it happened, does not
necessarily make Craig "gay."
Given that, your argument that Craig is a hypocrite doesn't hold
water. As far as I know, Craig has never taken a public stand on
foot-tapping and the other activities he stands accused of.
If I have offended any of the true "gays" here, I apologize in
advance, as that is not my intent.

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:02:59 -0400, HK wrote:



The only thing about this case that is significant to me is that Craig
is yet another example of right-wing Republican hypocrisy, an outed gay
man who for years has fought against gay issues and who is the darling
of right-wing nutcase organizations like the anti-Family Research Council.

I saw a doctor who knows of these matters on TV yesterday, and he said
that regardless of the truth of what happened in that head (keeping
this boating-related) that is no proof that Craig is "gay."
According to this doctor such conduct, even if it happened, does not
necessarily make Craig "gay."
Given that, your argument that Craig is a hypocrite doesn't hold
water. As far as I know, Craig has never taken a public stand on
foot-tapping and the other activities he stands accused of.
If I have offended any of the true "gays" here, I apologize in
advance, as that is not my intent.

--Vic

I know little about this case..other than what I read here and snippets on
CNN.
My only question about this Craig character...why did he plead guilty to
anything if he's completely innocent.
Just doesn't make sense to me.....