Has anyone else has run into this problem with their boat's hot water
heater?

The problem is that once the water is heated up by the hot engine
coolant, the 110 v. electric water heating stops working, because a
thermal overload breaker on the heater trips.

The heater runs on engine heat or 110 v. The thermostat on the heater
includes a thermal breaker that trips when the tank goes above 170
degrees. The normal operating temperature of my Volvo diesel engines
is 175-180 degrees.

So eventually the engine coolant heats the water above 170, and the
thermal breaker pops. Now the heater won't work on 110 v. until the
thermal breaker is reset. (This requires disassembling the panel on
the heater to get to the breaker.)

Does anyone else run into this problem? Any ideas for a workaround?

The heater is a SureStor SS-12M made by Advanced Heat Transfer.

On Aug 28, 9:32?am, Walt Bilofsky wrote:
Has anyone else has run into this problem with their boat's hot water
heater?

The problem is that once the water is heated up by the hot engine
coolant, the 110 v. electric water heating stops working, because a
thermal overload breaker on the heater trips.

The heater runs on engine heat or 110 v. The thermostat on the heater
includes a thermal breaker that trips when the tank goes above 170
degrees. The normal operating temperature of my Volvo diesel engines
is 175-180 degrees.

So eventually the engine coolant heats the water above 170, and the
thermal breaker pops. Now the heater won't work on 110 v. until the
thermal breaker is reset. (This requires disassembling the panel on
the heater to get to the breaker.)

Does anyone else run into this problem? Any ideas for a workaround?

The heater is a SureStor SS-12M made by Advanced Heat Transfer.

Turn off the AC breaker to your hot water heater when your engines are
running. There's no need to heat the water with electricity underway.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Aug 28, 9:32?am, Walt Bilofsky wrote:
Has anyone else has run into this problem with their boat's hot water
heater?

The problem is that once the water is heated up by the hot engine
coolant, the 110 v. electric water heating stops working, because a
thermal overload breaker on the heater trips.

The heater runs on engine heat or 110 v. The thermostat on the heater
includes a thermal breaker that trips when the tank goes above 170
degrees. The normal operating temperature of my Volvo diesel engines
is 175-180 degrees.

So eventually the engine coolant heats the water above 170, and the
thermal breaker pops. Now the heater won't work on 110 v. until the
thermal breaker is reset. (This requires disassembling the panel on
the heater to get to the breaker.)

Does anyone else run into this problem? Any ideas for a workaround?

The heater is a SureStor SS-12M made by Advanced Heat Transfer.

Turn off the AC breaker to your hot water heater when your engines are
running. There's no need to heat the water with electricity underway.



The way I read it, that won't work. The thermal overtemp switch will pop
regardless of whether electrical power is applied or not and is not the same
as the electrical thermostat switch.

Sometimes the overtemp switch mounting allows some adjustment (moves up or
down on a mounting strip) to effectively raise or lower the temperature it
"sees". Perhaps there is a higher temperature switch available as well.
That's a common problem as the engine heat transfer system often heats the
water above the electrical thermostat setting.

"Walt Bilofsky" wrote in message
...
Has anyone else has run into this problem with their boat's hot water
heater?

The problem is that once the water is heated up by the hot engine
coolant, the 110 v. electric water heating stops working, because a
thermal overload breaker on the heater trips.

The heater runs on engine heat or 110 v. The thermostat on the heater
includes a thermal breaker that trips when the tank goes above 170
degrees. The normal operating temperature of my Volvo diesel engines
is 175-180 degrees.

So eventually the engine coolant heats the water above 170, and the
thermal breaker pops. Now the heater won't work on 110 v. until the
thermal breaker is reset. (This requires disassembling the panel on
the heater to get to the breaker.)

Does anyone else run into this problem? Any ideas for a workaround?

The heater is a SureStor SS-12M made by Advanced Heat Transfer.

Wow. 170 is much too hot. 120 would be better and safer. Probably the
easiest solution would be to add a bypass line with a valve to control the
flow thru the water heater.


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"Jim" wrote in message
.. .

"Walt Bilofsky" wrote in message
...
Has anyone else has run into this problem with their boat's hot water
heater?

The problem is that once the water is heated up by the hot engine
coolant, the 110 v. electric water heating stops working, because a
thermal overload breaker on the heater trips.

The heater runs on engine heat or 110 v. The thermostat on the heater
includes a thermal breaker that trips when the tank goes above 170
degrees. The normal operating temperature of my Volvo diesel engines
is 175-180 degrees.

So eventually the engine coolant heats the water above 170, and the
thermal breaker pops. Now the heater won't work on 110 v. until the
thermal breaker is reset. (This requires disassembling the panel on
the heater to get to the breaker.)

Does anyone else run into this problem? Any ideas for a workaround?

The heater is a SureStor SS-12M made by Advanced Heat Transfer.

Wow. 170 is much too hot. 120 would be better and safer. Probably the
easiest solution would be to add a bypass line with a valve to control the
flow thru the water heater.

Problem is that controlling the flow will only slow down the rate of heating
the water.
Eventually, if the engine is being run long term, it will still get up to
the 170 degrees.

Another possibility is to add a mixing valve .... flows some of the engine
heat exchanger exhaust through the water heater along with a proportioned
amount of unheated water. Problem is, I don't know where to easily get the
cold water from without adding another pump.

Eisboch

On Aug 28, 10:16?am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

oups.com...





On Aug 28, 9:32?am, Walt Bilofsky wrote:
Has anyone else has run into this problem with their boat's hot water
heater?

The problem is that once the water is heated up by the hot engine
coolant, the 110 v. electric water heating stops working, because a
thermal overload breaker on the heater trips.

The heater runs on engine heat or 110 v. The thermostat on the heater
includes a thermal breaker that trips when the tank goes above 170
degrees. The normal operating temperature of my Volvo diesel engines
is 175-180 degrees.

So eventually the engine coolant heats the water above 170, and the
thermal breaker pops. Now the heater won't work on 110 v. until the
thermal breaker is reset. (This requires disassembling the panel on
the heater to get to the breaker.)

Does anyone else run into this problem? Any ideas for a workaround?

The heater is a SureStor SS-12M made by Advanced Heat Transfer.

Turn off the AC breaker to your hot water heater when your engines are
running. There's no need to heat the water with electricity underway.

The way I read it, that won't work. The thermal overtemp switch will pop
regardless of whether electrical power is applied or not and is not the same
as the electrical thermostat switch.

Sometimes the overtemp switch mounting allows some adjustment (moves up or
down on a mounting strip) to effectively raise or lower the temperature it
"sees". Perhaps there is a higher temperature switch available as well.
That's a common problem as the engine heat transfer system often heats the
water above the electrical thermostat setting.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That makes sense if the overtemp switch is mechanical and not
electrical in nature, I would definitely agree. I was visualizing a
circuit breaker that would pop at a certain temperature but wouldn't
be active unless there was AC power supplied, and assumed that the OP
might have been running a genset underway. (how else to have both AC
power and engine coolant transfer at the same time?)

Obviously the system needed is one that tests for temperature above
170 degrees *and* tests for the presence of AC power and shuts off the
AC power if both are detected.

Apparently Walt's hot water tank system assumes that the hot
temperature must be the result of a failed thermostat for the AC
circuit.
It's amazing how some of the simplest problems go unresolved.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Aug 28, 10:16?am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

oups.com...





On Aug 28, 9:32?am, Walt Bilofsky wrote:
Has anyone else has run into this problem with their boat's hot water
heater?

The problem is that once the water is heated up by the hot engine
coolant, the 110 v. electric water heating stops working, because a
thermal overload breaker on the heater trips.

The heater runs on engine heat or 110 v. The thermostat on the heater
includes a thermal breaker that trips when the tank goes above 170
degrees. The normal operating temperature of my Volvo diesel engines
is 175-180 degrees.

So eventually the engine coolant heats the water above 170, and the
thermal breaker pops. Now the heater won't work on 110 v. until the
thermal breaker is reset. (This requires disassembling the panel on
the heater to get to the breaker.)

Does anyone else run into this problem? Any ideas for a workaround?

The heater is a SureStor SS-12M made by Advanced Heat Transfer.

Turn off the AC breaker to your hot water heater when your engines are
running. There's no need to heat the water with electricity underway.

The way I read it, that won't work. The thermal overtemp switch will pop
regardless of whether electrical power is applied or not and is not the
same
as the electrical thermostat switch.

Sometimes the overtemp switch mounting allows some adjustment (moves up
or
down on a mounting strip) to effectively raise or lower the temperature
it
"sees". Perhaps there is a higher temperature switch available as well.
That's a common problem as the engine heat transfer system often heats
the
water above the electrical thermostat setting.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That makes sense if the overtemp switch is mechanical and not
electrical in nature, I would definitely agree. I was visualizing a
circuit breaker that would pop at a certain temperature but wouldn't
be active unless there was AC power supplied, and assumed that the OP
might have been running a genset underway. (how else to have both AC
power and engine coolant transfer at the same time?)

Obviously the system needed is one that tests for temperature above
170 degrees *and* tests for the presence of AC power and shuts off the
AC power if both are detected.

Apparently Walt's hot water tank system assumes that the hot
temperature must be the result of a failed thermostat for the AC
circuit.
It's amazing how some of the simplest problems go unresolved.



The type of overtemp switch I am thinking of is definitely mechanical, and
come to think of it, there are some types that automatically "unpop"
(reset) once the temp drops below it's rating. Maybe changing to that type
is another solution to his problem. I know from experience that this is a
common issue because the engine heats the water to a much higher temp than
the thermostatically controlled electric element.

Eisboch

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:32:08 -0700, Walt Bilofsky penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Has anyone else has run into this problem with their boat's hot water
heater?

The problem is that once the water is heated up by the hot engine
coolant, the 110 v. electric water heating stops working, because a
thermal overload breaker on the heater trips.

The heater runs on engine heat or 110 v. The thermostat on the heater
includes a thermal breaker that trips when the tank goes above 170
degrees. The normal operating temperature of my Volvo diesel engines
is 175-180 degrees.

So eventually the engine coolant heats the water above 170, and the
thermal breaker pops. Now the heater won't work on 110 v. until the
thermal breaker is reset. (This requires disassembling the panel on
the heater to get to the breaker.)

Does anyone else run into this problem? Any ideas for a workaround?

The heater is a SureStor SS-12M made by Advanced Heat Transfer.

I think you could accomplish this using a thermostatic valve. Not
knowing your configuration.... this may also require a by-pass to
allow for the continuous flow of cooling water through the engine
water jacket.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Jim" wrote in message
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"Walt Bilofsky" wrote in message
...
Has anyone else has run into this problem with their boat's hot water
heater?

The problem is that once the water is heated up by the hot engine
coolant, the 110 v. electric water heating stops working, because a
thermal overload breaker on the heater trips.

The heater runs on engine heat or 110 v. The thermostat on the heater
includes a thermal breaker that trips when the tank goes above 170
degrees. The normal operating temperature of my Volvo diesel engines
is 175-180 degrees.

So eventually the engine coolant heats the water above 170, and the
thermal breaker pops. Now the heater won't work on 110 v. until the
thermal breaker is reset. (This requires disassembling the panel on
the heater to get to the breaker.)

Does anyone else run into this problem? Any ideas for a workaround?

The heater is a SureStor SS-12M made by Advanced Heat Transfer.

Wow. 170 is much too hot. 120 would be better and safer. Probably the
easiest solution would be to add a bypass line with a valve to control
the flow thru the water heater.

Problem is that controlling the flow will only slow down the rate of
heating the water.
Eventually, if the engine is being run long term, it will still get up to
the 170 degrees.

Another possibility is to add a mixing valve .... flows some of the engine
heat exchanger exhaust through the water heater along with a proportioned
amount of unheated water. Problem is, I don't know where to easily get
the cold water from without adding another pump.

Eisboch

I think the water heater is part of the closed cooling system. I don't think
the mixing valve would work. You did give me an idea, however. How about
putting a transmission oil cooler in line with the water heater input. You
could use the raw water pump to supply cooling water to the oil cooler.


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Thanks for all the comments. Eisboch, you must be an engineer - you
are right on top of the problem.

Yes, the thermal breaker is manual reset only. Its purpose is so that
if the electric thermostat fails, the electric heater won't boil the
water and explode the system. This isn't a problem when the engine is
heating the water, as if the temperature gets up to 212 degrees the
engine will fail first. :-(

I found a good tech support guy at the manufacturer, Advanced Heat
Transfer. Then I looked around on the web and found the supplier of
the thermostat assembly:
http://www.tod.com/productdetail.asp?ProductID=85 . They are available
with thermal breakers up to 200 degrees.

Then I got a voicemail from the tech support guy. Looks like they are
now using 190 degree instead of 170 degree cutouts. So hopefully I
can get one from them and be good to go.

If anyone else has this problem with recently made SureStor water
heaters, talk to Ron in tech support at Advanced Heat Transfer.

- Walt

"Eisboch" wrote:


"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Aug 28, 10:16?am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Aug 28, 9:32?am, Walt Bilofsky wrote:
Has anyone else has run into this problem with their boat's hot water
heater?

The problem is that once the water is heated up by the hot engine
coolant, the 110 v. electric water heating stops working, because a
thermal overload breaker on the heater trips.

The heater runs on engine heat or 110 v. The thermostat on the heater
includes a thermal breaker that trips when the tank goes above 170
degrees. The normal operating temperature of my Volvo diesel engines
is 175-180 degrees.

So eventually the engine coolant heats the water above 170, and the
thermal breaker pops. Now the heater won't work on 110 v. until the
thermal breaker is reset. (This requires disassembling the panel on
the heater to get to the breaker.)

Does anyone else run into this problem? Any ideas for a workaround?

The heater is a SureStor SS-12M made by Advanced Heat Transfer.

Turn off the AC breaker to your hot water heater when your engines are
running. There's no need to heat the water with electricity underway.

The way I read it, that won't work. The thermal overtemp switch will pop
regardless of whether electrical power is applied or not and is not the
same
as the electrical thermostat switch.

Sometimes the overtemp switch mounting allows some adjustment (moves up
or
down on a mounting strip) to effectively raise or lower the temperature
it
"sees". Perhaps there is a higher temperature switch available as well.
That's a common problem as the engine heat transfer system often heats
the
water above the electrical thermostat setting.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That makes sense if the overtemp switch is mechanical and not
electrical in nature, I would definitely agree. I was visualizing a
circuit breaker that would pop at a certain temperature but wouldn't
be active unless there was AC power supplied, and assumed that the OP
might have been running a genset underway. (how else to have both AC
power and engine coolant transfer at the same time?)

Obviously the system needed is one that tests for temperature above
170 degrees *and* tests for the presence of AC power and shuts off the
AC power if both are detected.

Apparently Walt's hot water tank system assumes that the hot
temperature must be the result of a failed thermostat for the AC
circuit.
It's amazing how some of the simplest problems go unresolved.



The type of overtemp switch I am thinking of is definitely mechanical, and
come to think of it, there are some types that automatically "unpop"
(reset) once the temp drops below it's rating. Maybe changing to that type
is another solution to his problem. I know from experience that this is a
common issue because the engine heats the water to a much higher temp than
the thermostatically controlled electric element.

Eisboch